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Old 02-17-2008, 05:22 PM   #61
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I fear that if we had any sort of national disaster they would try to call Martial law. Even though it would be very difficult to police 300 million people. It took them like what, 3 days to get water to the Super Dome during Katrina. What if that happened nation wide? Regardless of political party. Also, the Democrats do not control all the media, they don't control Fox for sure or Viacomm.
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It took 3 days to get water to the Super Dome because Governor Blanco would not "allow" FEMA into Louisiana to help... she wanted the state to be able to do it themselves. They were at the state line waiting on Blanco to give the order for their entry. Place blame where it is due.

Mayor Nagin was the retard who took away weapons from the populous and last I knew... was being challenged, if not sued over the illegal gun confiscation.

I said that "most" of the media is controlled by the Democrats... not all of it. We all know FOX (for example) is not controlled by the Democrats or the U.N.

As far as Martial Law... yeah... I believe the military would be a little too busy with other things than to run door to door asking people to give up their privately owned guns... not to mention, most of the military members have private guns too. I simply... just do not see it happening.

As a military member... I have more than a few myself.
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what would you suggest we as a nation do ? check out the book about Vlad Tepish or Huligo,"my spelling might be off"? Vlad was a romanian prince and Huligo was I believe the nephew of Gangus Kahn they solved this problem, but we don't have the stomach for it.
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I see it as simply this ... the "politicians" that make up the Govt. need to watch their step... push too hard on the people, and the people push back.

Continued "giving away" of this Country by "astray politicians" needs to stop and now... before these jokers find themselves being run out of Washington or state capitals by angry citizens... either physically or by being voted out of office in a landslide.

This is a sovereign nation... NOT the U.N... and speaking of those idiots, they need to be in Brussels, not New York. The U.N. continually bashes the USA at every step yet somehow, they receive copious amounts of money from us. That needs to stop.

Frankly, having the U.N. in the USA is applicable to a Nazi SS office in downtown Jerusalem.

Time to speak folks... speak at the polls.
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what would you suggest we as a nation do ? check out the book about Vlad Tepish or Huligo,"my spelling might be off"? Vlad was a romanian prince and Huligo was I believe the nephew of Gangus Kahn they solved this problem, but we don't have the stomach for it.

I am sorry, MyM1A, I don't know what you mean about solve the problem??? What problem?? I do not want to sound rude, but I think I fell asleep and missed something. Sorry


I do know that as people, we can always find faults and always come up with what we precieve to be a better solution than the one in effect. Our solutions have NEVER been tested. We do not have the EXPERTS to tally our claims and find the faults with them, we only have each other to sell our ideas to and if they sound good, they have to be good... RIGHT?
I do not claim to have a solution, I let the big boys do that. It is always easy to judge a man in a Public Spotlight for what we think we see but how many of us have ever been in their Hearts to really know them? We are victims of 5 minute sound bytes and Media Graphics and now Media opinions. We NEVER, EVER heard the media give opinions before, it was always a NEWS report AFTER the event happened, now the media feels they are Jury, Lawyer and Judge. The Media tries to make a story out of everything to the point we believe if it is reported it has to be bad. They report when there isn't a story and try to make a story out of it. Most of the news is real nonesense and that is what we are programing ourselves to. How many of these silly stories would dissappear if News was back to 30 minutes per day???
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wingwiper I guess what im trying to say is if we are going to have troops over there then let them do their job with the legal flexabilty as those that served in wwII.some of the allegations these servicemen have been charged with is crazy.one thing i do believe and i know others will disagree but by fighting these folks on there territory may have forced them to focus most of their attention over there as opposed to here?If we get hit again as grand or grander then 9/11 I don't know what the masses will demand? more security? "take my rights just protect me syndrome"!
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I see it as simply this ... the "politicians" that make up the Govt. need to watch their step... push too hard on the people, and the people push back.

Continued "giving away" of this Country by "astray politicians" needs to stop and now... before these jokers find themselves being run out of Washington or state capitals by angry citizens... either physically or by being voted out of office in a landslide.

This is a sovereign nation... NOT the U.N... and speaking of those idiots, they need to be in Brussels, not New York. The U.N. continually bashes the USA at every step yet somehow, they receive copious amounts of money from us. That needs to stop.

Frankly, having the U.N. in the USA is applicable to a Nazi SS office in downtown Jerusalem.

Time to speak folks... speak at the polls.
NEW YORK — How big do you have to be to earn the wrath of the United Nations and Internet giant Google?

If you're journalist Matthew Lee, all it takes are some critical articles and a scrappy little Web site.
Lee is the editor-in-chief, Webmaster and pretty much the only reporter for Inner City Press, a pint-sized Internet news operation that's taken on Goliath-sized entities like Citigroup since 1987.
Click here to view the Inner City Press website.
Since 2005, he's been focusing almost entirely on stories that deal with internal corruption inside the U.N., posting several stores online almost daily.


He's been especially interested in the inner workings of what could be called the practical-applications arm of the international organization, the United Nations Development Programme.


Many of Lee's stories were featured prominently whenever Web users looked for news about the U.N. using the powerful Google News search engine, a vital way for media outlets both large and small to get their articles read.

But beginning Feb. 13, Google News users could no longer find new stories from the Inner City Press.
"I think they said, 'If we can't get this guy out of the U.N., let's disappear him from the Internet,'" Lee said.
It began with an innocuous-sounding yet chilling form letter from Google to Lee, e-mailed on Feb. 8:
"We periodically review news sources, particularly following user complaints, to ensure Google News offers a high quality experience for our users," it said. "When we reviewed your site we've found that we can no longer include it in Google News."
As soon as he read it, Lee immediately suspected one thing: That someone at the UNDP had pressured Google into "de-listing" him from Google News — essentially preventing Inner City Press from being classified on Google News as a legitimate news source and from having its stories pop up when someone conducts a Google News search.
Over the last couple of years, Lee has proved to be a constant — and controversial — thorn in the U.N.'s side.
Though his writing is clunky, his methods unorthodox (and often highly annoying) and his news judgment sometimes more than a little off the mark, Lee has hit his share of bullseyes and became an outlet for whistleblowers inside the U.N.
In 2006, for example, he drew attention to human-rights abuses by the Ugandan People's Defense Force during a U.N. disarmament program, including incidents in which four people were killed and over 100 homes destroyed.
In November 2007, during a press conference in which Google announced its partnership with the UNDP to achieve anti-poverty goals, Lee earned a less-than-friendly response when he asked why the Internet company hadn't signed a global human-rights and anti-censorship compact —elements in the U.N.'s Millennium Development Goals.
[Google spokesman Gabriel Stricker told FOXNews.com that "Google generally does not sign petitions or join coalitions but prefers to support public-engagement and advocacy efforts through the work of Google.org and by leveraging our products, such as Google Earth."]
It was this incident, says Lee that put him in the crosshairs. Lee said he felt certain that the Internet company and the international agency had now joined forces to make his work less accessible to the public.
"I've been covering almost U.N. stories, three to four a day, for two years, and for the last two years there's been no problem at all," Lee said. "Then that Friday, I received the e-mail. There's something a little skeezy here. I think that Google got involved with the U.N. on these Millennium goals and thought, this is the United Nations, if they tell you some small Web site is a thorn in their side and there's a credible reason you could remove them from your news service, you do it."
According to Stricker, on Feb. 1 someone e-mailed Google a complaint about Lee's Web site, alleging that Inner City Press was a one-man operation, thus violating the Google News ground rule that news organizations it lists must have two or more employees.
Lee is vague about how many people work for the Inner City Press, but said there's at least one woman who works for the organization full-time, as well as "about half a dozen" volunteers.
"If people work for us as volunteers, why does it not count?" he said. "Is it their business?"
Strickler said it is the only complaint that Google has ever received about Inner City Press and doesn't publish the qualifications it requires for being included, to thwart those who want to abuse the system.
But on Feb. 8 Google notified Lee about his new "de-listing" status.
When Lee received the e-mail from Google, he responded immediately, noting that Inner City Press had been accredited by the U.N. and was mentioned frequently in other media as an important U.N. watchdog.
A Google representative answered that Inner City Press would be restored to the Google News service as usual, but that the process might take "a couple weeks," according to Lee. Still, from Feb. 13 on, Inner City Press stories stopped showing up on Google News, something Google attributes to a technical error.
"We acknowledged our misunderstanding ... but it takes time for the restoration to occur," Stricker said. "The glitch will be resolved as soon as possible. We're working on it."
The reaction to the de-listing, however temporary, has been furious. The non-profit Government Accountability Project lambasted the company, calling Inner City Press "the most effective and important media organization for UN whistleblowers."
"We're alarmed," said Bea Edwards, GAP's international-program director. "The question is, is what user sent the complaint? And it's probably not too hard to guess. We would guess the complaints came from the UNDP."
Tuyet Nguyen, president of the U.N. Correspondents Association, said he was fully behind Lee, who was elected first vice president of the association in December 2006.
"The sad story about Google is that they're shutting people up and not doing a good thing for society by only defending their business interests," he said. "They have a responsibility to society in letting people speak out. And I'm not surprised that those U.N. agencies are trying to hide."
But UNDP spokesman David Morrison called allegations of the agency's involvement preposterous.
"It wasn't us," he said. "We did not contact Google."
Google refuses to reveal who sent the complaint against Inner City Press, citing privacy concerns.
Lee, who hasn't stopped writing his U.N. exposes despite the temporary de-listing, said that he's taken aback by the lengths to which, according to him, an international organization ostensibly dedicated to world peace will go to silence a critic as obscure to the general public as himself.
"It's a little weird," he said. "I guess they're just so unused to being covered like a public organization."



... and this entity is a welcome guest in the USA? The Democrats love these guys...
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wingwiper I guess what im trying to say is if we are going to have troops over there then let them do their job with the legal flexabilty as those that served in wwII.some of the allegations these servicemen have been charged with is crazy.one thing i do believe and i know others will disagree but by fighting these folks on there territory may have forced them to focus most of their attention over there as opposed to here?If we get hit again as grand or grander then 9/11 I don't know what the masses will demand? more security? "take my rights just protect me syndrome"!
The Vietnam war was the First War where CIVILIAN REPORTERS were allowed on the battlefield and were able to FILM. Like violence sells on TV so does REAL VIOLENCE.

It seems easy for Far Left to hate Americans and accuse their fellow man of atrocities then it is to accuse the enemy of being the enemy.

What made Desert Storm such a success was that the President was able to let the Generals do what they did best and they kept the News men at the Hotels. The generals did a fantastic job and Powell and Arnold earned tremendous amounts of respect. the Media did Not want to share that respect this time around or let anyone who led men in War to gain respect.So ENTER the HATE the FELLOW AMERICAN crowd and the crowd who calls posing Iraqii Terrorist Nude as TORTURE instead of HUMILATION. No one has spoken about the video of a 12 year old boy cutting a prisoners head off with a knife and as he hacked away the man was kicking and living. No one remembers the 11 Nepal truck drivers who were beaten and one who was beheaded rather ackwardly and the rest laid down and shot in the backs, the aim being so poor by a couple of the shooters that shoulders were hit, side of heads, necks etc and the prisoners laid there in pain listening to their buddies being killed beside them. No one talks about the Korean Hostage who begged for his life and then was beheaded or the many Americans or the 3 Captured Brits or even the two Americans who were captured at their check point, hauled away and given a slow and painful, tortoruos death. I do not hear the Red Cross demanding better treatment of the hostages I only hear complaints about Gitmo and Abbual and how we are NOT to show disrespect to the Qu'ran, but hey, No MANGER scenes on Government Property and get rid of that In God WE Trust stuff. I see pity for the enemy and hate for the Americans and what is funny, it is Americans hating Americans. Makes me want to puke.
Do I have an answer? Yeah! take every swinging Liberal Di-- and send their asses to Iraq or Afghanistan and let them see first hand what is going on and then after 12 months ask them how to solve the problem and was that Marine really guilty of shooting that wounded Iraqii in a 100 milisecond reaction time? I have no warm and cozy feelings for these Anti-Americans who find fault with every move we make and try and label Oil as our intent. Hell! if it was about oil, we would have taken it a long time ago. I am tired of Liberal pukes telling me it isn't about Passion or a war on Terror but about Money and profits. Most have never left the comforts of their posh neighborhoods and yet judge with so much confidence.
get the media out of Iraq and Afghanistan and let the war get fought, we do not need to be fighting looking over our shoulders wondering who is looking and do you take a bullet versus shooting the basta-- and going on trial.
We need to let the media know that they DO NOT run this country the people do. We do NOT need their EXIT POLLS or their Predictions long before the last polls close. we need them to report the NEWS AFTER it becomes NEWs and not BEFORE. You all want to boycott, boycott the media for awhile. Cross your heart when the flag passes by, stand and remove your hat and cross your heart for the anthem, Respect and Love of your country is as contagious as the hate is. Let it start with you and me. Pass it along, do not tolerate the people who want to bash and cut the troops down and discredit their service, snicker and walk away, they only talk when they think they have an audience, they become confused when you let them know, you do NOT feel as they do and walk away. You want it to be like it was during WWII, Then STAND TALL and be COUNTED, let your respect and Love for country show. I was once told that if you want to start something, go to the corner and hold your sign, you may be standing alone for a few days and then another will join you and then another and another and small crowds will attract other crowds and it will be a BIGGER crowd which will attract an even BIGGER crowd and so on and so on until you have your Million Man Movement.

You know what Mym1a, I love my country and I am proud of the fact that so many men and women are willing to serve and enlist with FULL knowledge of what we are doing. They go to war for their own reasons and I have no doubt in my mind not a single American Military person went thinking they were there to lower the price of gas. I have no doubt that over 90 percent are there out of passion and the intent to make a difference in a world that is so filled with hate. Yes! The military hates war more than any civilian ever could, theyhave lived it.

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