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Old 02-15-2008, 12:13 PM   #1
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I hope you're all writing!

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Have you guys been watching all the news coverage these school shootings have gotten this week?

While tragic, the coverage is completely out of proportion. They now say 10 kids have been killed this week by various shooters. 10? Again, one is truly too many, but there were probably more than 10 killed last night drunk driving in this country. I'm sure there were several that drowned in swimming pools in the last 24 hours. Etc. Is there coverage on any topics like that? No.

I'm sick of the way the media sensationalizes any gun-related events. They completely fail to acknowledge other evils in this world with proportionality. People get injured or die every day in this country by various methods/means. The only common denominator for all this coverage is that they were gun-related crimes. It makes me want to vomit how the media influences thought on such topics without being honest in reporting.

Yes, I do think the majority of media have an anti-gun agenda, but that won't stop me from sharing my opinion with them (papers, elected officials, TV news, etc.). I write lots of e-mails and letters. I urge any of you that take this 2A fight seriously to take the time to do the same. They need to hear from people like us; they need to know there are educated people out there that don't buy the B.S. they're selling. The stakes are too high to let media, etc., get a one-sided shot at guns/owners.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:16 PM   #2
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Well, guns are over-glorified by movies, etc. anyway. It's no wonder "sheeple" are afraid.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:18 PM   #3
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Well, guns are over-glorified by movies, etc. anyway. It's no wonder "sheeple" are afraid.
I agree. But we can't just roll over.

If we make enough noise (like I do), maybe together we can have some small effect on the way things are reported, etc. We have to try.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:08 PM   #4
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I've said it before and I'll say it again

These "free fire zones" are pure lunacy

Let's just allow CCW holders to carry unrestricted. This is the only thing that'll work. 10,000 + gun laws won't stop someone intent on murder.

That is all.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:20 PM   #5
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I've said it before and I'll say it again

These "free fire zones" are pure lunacy

Let's just allow CCW holders to carry unrestricted. This is the only thing that'll work. 10,000 + gun laws won't stop someone intent on murder.

That is all.
Agreed. Most anyone educated on this topic knows that these zones are put into place just to make people *feel* better; it actually has the reverse effect in practice.

But my post was meant to help motivate all of us to take some action. It's one thing to logon to G&G every day and complain/argue, but it's completely another to take the time to call and write letters/e-mails to make your voice heard. I make several attempts a week to address this issue with media, etc. I rarely get responses, but sometimes I do.

The anti-gun agenda is bad enough, but what's worse is how ignorant people in the media are on firearms, laws, etc. If we band together and let them hear our voice, things might change in small ways. It's not going to hurt to try.

God knows I haven't seen word one out of SAF or NRA on this week's shootings. I give them money and they can't take the time to help fight the media battle. They should be on TV defending facts when these things happen, but they don't. They stand idly by and let the media spew all sorts of damaging crap.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:27 PM   #6
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They may not have all been killed this week, but if you add up the ones killed at NIU, the school in Mississppi and what the 3? @ that Louisiana tech. school, adds up to at least ten.
Now I'm not agreeing with the media and the way they're jumping all over it. I mean it must be nice to use a network for ones own agenda. Seems as if they're all taking the Rosie O'Donnell approach.
I haven't as of yet started writing any one other then my Congressman, Representatives and Attorney General in regards to the Amicus Brief most recently and previous to that it was in regards to the proposed blanket ban HR1022.

I'll get at it A.S.A.P...
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:34 PM   #7
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I agree that more anti or restrictive gun laws will just create more gun related crime since a lot of guns will be purchased illegally. if someone wants to kill with a gun there is not much you can do to stop it. They will get a hold of a gun no matter what eventually and commit their crimes.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:04 PM   #8
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I just heard the Governor of Illinois saying it's prudent to "review gun laws" after an incident like this.

WHAT?!

What a friggin idiot.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:20 PM   #9
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Patriot, do you have a list of E-mail addresses for news media affiliates, Congressmen for whatever states you might have, NRA,GOA, and anyone else you want e-mails sent to that you could post here. My thoughts are that instead of each of us sending out a few at random if each of us here sent an E-mail to each person on the list about twice or more per week they would get so many E-mails that we would get their attention.
Ideas:
News media: Complain about biased reporting and blaming guns instead of the people
doing the shooting Explain why Gun-Free Zones become Kill Zones
Congressmen:Explain that the Police can't be everywhere and that honest, law abiding
citizens must be able to protect themselves and their loved ones Explain
that there are plenty of laws on the books for people who wrongfully use guns and what we need is not more laws but enforcement of the existing laws
NRA-GOA Why don't you use your media to explain why Gun-Free Zones become Kill Zones. Why don't you use your media to speculate on how many lives might be saved by legally carrying CCW citizens. Give our honest citizens
some help here.
If Patriot can supply us with a list then come on, lets flood them with mail and we may make a difference.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:43 PM   #10
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Patriot … I’m with windwalker send me a list and I will jump on it… I am afraid that public education is the only way out of this… But then again there’s no money it for anyone… Money is what determines the news… Gun violence sells…
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:01 PM   #11
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You can bet your bottom dollar that I would gladly send mail, just provide us with a list of news affiliates, or other noteworthy congressmen or organizations. I am sick of watching them blame guns for such tragedies like the one that occurred yesterday, it's not the guns, it is the ridiculous gun laws. Like I stated in my other post, any "gun free zone" is just asking to be shot up. We need to put an end to this anti-gun BS, and show people that strict gun laws will only harm, instead of help. What a friggin joke all of this is.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:03 PM   #12
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You can bet your bottom dollar that I would gladly send mail, just provide us with a list of news affiliates, or other noteworthy congressmen or organizations. I am sick of watching them blame guns for such tragedies like the one that occurred yesterday, it's not the guns, it is the ridiculous gun laws. Like I stated in my other post, any "gun free zone" is just asking to be shot up. We need to put an end to this anti-gun BS, and show people that strict gun laws will only harm, instead of help. What a friggin joke all of this is.
Well, I'll have to put something together. Might take some time, though.

What I was getting at is that I usually write on a case-by-case basis. For example, if I hear an anti-gun remark or bad information on Fox and Friends, I go to Fox's web site, get the e-mail address, and write them (along with the editors). I've done the same on all the major channels, as well as online papers, blogs, etc.

Same goes for elected leaders. When I heard Ahnold say something goofy about guns, I found his address and e-mailed. When I hear my Senator say or write something objectionable, I write or call. I've done that with a large number of leaders in this country, probably a couple hundred times in the past decade.

The bottom line is that I hear people complain about various things all the time. When I ask them what they've done to help the situation, they usually say "nothing." Well, it's the same with our 2A problem. If we want people in various walks of life to recognize facets of our cause, we should continually make them aware of facts and opinions and not just preach to each other. We can't let media, etc., keep spewing bad information without letting them know that there's someone out here that's educated enough to call them on it (although I think most of their ignorance isn't agenda-driven, rather plain ignorance).

One list certainly doesn't fit all, but I could probably throw together some resources/links to get e-mail addresses. Give me a few days.

I don't think we can change everything, but who knows, maybe we can change attitudes of a few, and educate a few. It's better than just giving in and letting 2A be slowly eroded.

I wish I had the time to do such a thing full-time. It'd be nice to have a job I was passionate about for a change...I mean REAL passionate about.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:12 PM   #13
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All,

Have you guys been watching all the news coverage these school shootings have gotten this week?

While tragic, the coverage is completely out of proportion. They now say 10 kids have been killed this week by various shooters. 10? Again, one is truly too many, but there were probably more than 10 killed last night drunk driving in this country. I'm sure there were several that drowned in swimming pools in the last 24 hours. Etc. Is there coverage on any topics like that? No.

I'm sick of the way the media sensationalizes any gun-related events. They completely fail to acknowledge other evils in this world with proportionality. People get injured or die every day in this country by various methods/means. The only common denominator for all this coverage is that they were gun-related crimes. It makes me want to vomit how the media influences thought on such topics without being honest in reporting.

Yes, I do think the majority of media have an anti-gun agenda, but that won't stop me from sharing my opinion with them (papers, elected officials, TV news, etc.). I write lots of e-mails and letters. I urge any of you that take this 2A fight seriously to take the time to do the same. They need to hear from people like us; they need to know there are educated people out there that don't buy the B.S. they're selling. The stakes are too high to let media, etc., get a one-sided shot at guns/owners.
Patriot, I'm with you on this... they feel we are "uneducated children" in need of their "parenting" ... see Hillary Klinton.

You may have seen the same in other posts by me... and I've referenced the same about drunk driving deaths or simple accidents killing more people than guns. Hell... should we ban Chevy's or Oldsmobiles? Ted Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechne with an Oldsmobile... should we ban those? The only reason he is not in prison is because of his name.

The media feels we are a bunch of mindless idiots that only believe what we see... and do not know enough to look at other sources to glean our own opinions.

As a matter of fact, in support of gun freedoms, I sent out a letter to the Wisconsin Attorney General today advocating concealed carry for Wisconsinites... which has been scuttled by Gov. Jim Doyle countless times. At least this time... we have a Republican Attorney General instead of another "yes" man for Doyle.
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Old 02-15-2008, 07:45 PM   #14
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Yeah, I read Larry's letter and it was great. I have been sending mail to my Congressmen reflecting my position on them and asking for their support, which most times has been forthcoming. But instead of a few E-mails to a few people the list would allow us to send a bunch of e-mails to each one which should get their attention. We can add more to the list as time goes on. We have to get our ideas before the people if we want results. When Patriot gets his list posted I will write and will be asking all of you to write also. My earlier post in this thread lists some ideas and I am sure some of you will have others. Lets share and help each other get our points across.
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Old 02-15-2008, 07:57 PM   #15
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Count me in !!! Lets talk about solutions to these shootings. What can we do as gun owners to help stop school shootings ?
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:01 PM   #16
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Bleeds - Leads

IF IT BLEEDS THEN IT LEADS IS THE FIRST LESSON OF BROADCAST NEWS JOURNALISM.

Hypes up the viewers, generates market share, lets you negotiate
for higher fees from advertisers.

Yes, there are many interesting and worthwhile activities in the world
that deserve news coverage.

Yes, having this type thing on every news program including the 24 hour news channels showing the same story perhaps 30 times in a 24 hour period does, in my opinion, move some unstable people over the line
to the point they see this as a viable course of action. After all,
in the minds of some people this is truly "going out in a blaze of glory"
and the publicity (even after their death) seems somehow worthwhile.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:08 PM   #17
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I just heard the Governor of Illinois saying it's prudent to "review gun laws" after an incident like this.

WHAT?!

What a friggin idiot.
Yes, he's an A$$. I call him Governor Rob Blowjobovich. I can't stand him. He's been caught on the news plenty of times, supposedly working out of the house. Give me a break. I've also heard he is rarely seen at the Capitol, in his office there. Can't wait to vote him out. He's a PUDD
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