06-02-2009, 02:21 PM
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#61 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by samuel  | Things were getting dull til you came along.You have 170gr fmj,s hunh,shot a deer with an accellerator huh,tell us some more. sam. | do I detect a bit of skepticism or are you actually impressed, Sam? I can't tell sometimes with your posts.
Heck, I had a bunch of surplus mil ammo too and it was only good for practice or other things that didn't need expanding bullets. As far as the accelerator on deer, I am not in the camp that recommends 22s for deer size game, but there is quite a vocal crowd that touts the 22-250 and other 22s for deer so I defer final judgement. I don't see how the accelerator is any different. And anyway, the original author did say it wasn't his first choice, he had left his big expanders home.
Bob (trying to get a rise from Sam so I can get another data point)
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06-02-2009, 06:13 PM
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#62 | | Firearm Zealot
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No rise out of me,I believe all that is posted lately.Just never heard of a 170gr fmj for the military and while a accellerator might kill a deer,I would place the shot as very chancy.But I believe it all.,,,sam.
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06-02-2009, 06:45 PM
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#63 | | Firearm Zealot
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I guess I didn't take the 170gr FMJ literally. I assumed he meant either 168 or 169. One of those was the Match stuff I used, but it's been enough years that I can't remember which exactly, so close enough. He does make an argument for shot placement though.
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10-19-2009, 10:54 PM
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#64 | | Registered User
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|  30-06 for varments
my cuz shot a yote with a 300win mag 180gr core lock behind the front sholder and very little pelt damaged so the 30-06 a ok.
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10-20-2009, 08:38 AM
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#65 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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I've run beagles for years, and coyotes are death on beagles. The nicest, best little bitch, Dixie, I ever had was killed by coyotes at about 8 months of age. I have killed coyotes with everything from .22s and shotguns to .45-70. The only important thing to me is the fact that they are dead. If I ruin a pelt or two, who cares. There'll be another one along. My favorite rifle for them is a .357 Maximum Handi rifle. It shoots eight interchangeable types of .38s, .357 Magnum, .360 Dan Wesson, and .357 Maximum. It's my truck gun on the farm and very versatile. I have a butt stock cartridge carrier on it with a nine round assortment of ammo to suit the occasion.
Pete
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10-20-2009, 09:05 AM
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#66 | | Resident Curmudgeon
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Originally Posted by Cleankill47 | Midas, thanks for the thought, but I don't think I could manage doing handloads, I'm not allowed powder and ammunition parts in the barracks...
125 grains sounds like a nice little compromise. I think I'll look into it...
Thanks again, guys. | Cleankill, why don't you go and talk to the armorer sergeant? Maybe you could work out some sort of a deal with him for you to store your reloading gear with him and do your handloading after hours or on weekends.
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10-20-2009, 09:08 AM
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#67 | | Resident Curmudgeon
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Originally Posted by gunney 1 | my cuz shot a yote with a 300win mag 180gr core lock behind the front sholder and very little pelt damaged so the 30-06 a ok. | Puts me in mind of a joke from the Mosin Nagant Forum:
If you shoot a squirrel with an AR-15, you can have roast squirrel.
If you shoot a squirrel with an AK-47, there's usually enough left for squirrel stew.
If you shoot a squirrel with a Mosin Nagant - well, I think the tail's around here somewhere....
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11-15-2009, 03:59 PM
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#68 | | Registered User
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If not using thier pelts then why not? With all the accelerator rounds out there a 110 grain holllowpoint would work great on yotes and foxes out to 200 yards.
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11-18-2009, 04:21 AM
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#69 | | Firearm Zealot
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A .308cal 110gr hp at 3200fps is not going to be too good for pelts,even at 200yds+. ,,,sam.
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11-19-2009, 09:49 PM
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#70 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I would think that a heavy, tough bullet such as a 180 grain elk load would cause the least pelt damage. They'll just sail right through without expanding. A 110 gr hollow point would fragment on impact and cause massive damage. That said, I would use the 110 gr bullet because I like to make coyotes explode, I don't care about the pelts.
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11-21-2009, 12:44 AM
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#71 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Cyrano | Puts me in mind of a joke from the Mosin Nagant Forum:
If you shoot a squirrel with an AR-15, you can have roast squirrel.
If you shoot a squirrel with an AK-47, there's usually enough left for squirrel stew.
If you shoot a squirrel with a Mosin Nagant - well, I think the tail's around here somewhere.... | LOL! and if you use an m44, any meat you do find, will be cooked already!
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11-22-2009, 12:31 AM
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#72 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Your dilemma seems to be that the 30-06 is an excellent cartridge for most big game, but you feel that using the '06 on small game is somehow a waste. As some of the previous posts have indicated, much depends on whether your varmint shooting includes recovery of pelts.
Having said that, you might want to consider a fast-twist .223 and 75-77 gr bullets. You'll be hard pressed to tell the difference in trajectory and wind drift between these and 180 gr bullets in the 30-06 as long as the barrel lengths an optics are the same.
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11-25-2009, 01:36 PM
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#73 | | Firearm Zealot
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I just checked the Remington site. There is a 55gr Remington Express cartridge... Remington.com - Products - Ammunition - Ballistics
That would be about right for varmints...
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11-25-2009, 09:28 PM
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#74 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I doubt if you can get any accuracy or consistency out of those .22 cal 55 gr Accelerator saboted loads.
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11-25-2009, 10:09 PM
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#75 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver | I would think that a heavy, tough bullet such as a 180 grain elk load would cause the least pelt damage. They'll just sail right through without expanding. A 110 gr hollow point would fragment on impact and cause massive damage. That said, I would use the 110 gr bullet because I like to make coyotes explode, I don't care about the pelts. | +1, Dittos!
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