[meatloaf]

Quote:       Originally Posted by mym1a

with all do respect big brother is counting on and hoping the masses retain the same out look you have,just bare in mind once something is gone it's usualy gone for good and then whats next??????

I agree I beleive we need to exhaust our every line of defense and offense before we talk about war.
I didnt mean any offence to you either.

Well I think war it is.

[mym1a]

for the record i'm not advocating war, but i am in favor of standing up for our rights just like gays women and minorities.

[TexasD]

If they manage to take our guns the rest of our rights will fall like a house of cards

[Coeloptera]

Registered Independent. Don't trust either side. The last few years the Republicans have betrayed a lot of the values they're supposed to espouse, like small government and individual rights (Protect America Act? Please, how disingenuous.) You need to watch the Democrats because they'll push far too far to the Left of their core values, and the Republicans sometimes just flat-out ignore their values. Both are dangerous.

This cycle, I'm hoping for Obama at this point. He may be less likely to push anti-gun legislation because, being new, he'd need broad based support and thus, would be open to the right pressures to leave off that for far more important issues (Hey, NRA! Get up and do something already!). Both McCain and Clinton are too entrenched for that to work and both have, to me, shown an unsettling willingness to compromise what principles they ostensibly have.

Don't delude yourselves into thinking that a Republican wouldn't do this as well if it were politically expedient and would cement control. We need to watch them all.

- Coeloptera

[Seabeescotty]

I think the suggestion to hold our local politicos' feet to the fire is a good one. And demand that they take the same oath as our uniformed services take, that they will uphold the constitution against all enemies from within or without. Our congressmen and women are the ones we have the greatest clout with, so let's get after them! If we can make the house to bow to our wishes, the senate monkeys don't stand a chance, and that's where the entrenched anti-gunners are seated. Those folks have forgotten their jobs, they are OUR public servants, not the other way. Let's remind them who they work for!!!

[ArkansasHunter]

If all and I mean all Gun Owners could get organized and yell loud enough we would get a lot of attention.
And probbaly put a stop to any legistraition that pertains to guns.

I often wonder do they relize how many Americans own firearms. A.H

[iflylow74]

Quote:       Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

... Your goal should be to reach a point where you are satisfied with what you have and can stop the buying spree before it consumes you financially and emotionally. Make goals, meet them, and hold yourself to being satisfied and not buying endlessly.

Good advice that I wish I would have followed. I had a good arsenal but got myself into financial troubles. Now I'm in the same situation as the OP, trying to get an AR and a pistol before the elections.

[sell33]

OK so dont shoot me just yet, but i honestly believe the democrats WILL win, not that I support them or do not. I am honestly more of an independent. I grew up shooting and hunting and absolutely love both. My father is very big in the local democratic party and always has been. Now jsut because he is a democrat i always grew up believing that i was, but now that i am a little older i am wondering. honestly i believe our economy in this country is absolutely terrible right now, but i dont know if a democrat or a republican could fix it in the time they have in office. The war? well it had to happen no matter what. Lots of liberals are against it and even some conservatives too at this point. I don't think it needed to be drug on this long but i believe it needs to be finished and finished right. Now realistically, i don't think a gun ban will ever happen no matter who is elected. I am looking for an assault rifle right now, but im a broke college student, and can't afford it. I do plan on getting one soon just in case, but i do not see a ban happening any time in the near future. Now if even assault style weapons are banned eventually, it would be over a year before anything even got moving in congress and sometimes even when they are beginning to talk about bills it can take awhile. now if a democrat does get elected, i would bet that prices on guns will go up ( on assault style weapons and handguns at least ) because everyone is out for a buck and gunshop owners will argue that they will soon be impossible to get, just my thoughts. So if and when a democrat gets elected, whether it be this election or sometime in the future, i do not think we have too much too worry about immediately. Obviously I'm not an expert, but I am not worried about being able to get my AR before they are banned. Just my 2 cents (maybe more like 10 lol )

[AKHunter]

I have been registered as non-partisan my entire voting career and always will be. I have NEVER voted for anyone that doesnt support the 2nd amendment nor will I EVER! Without the 2nd amendment we have NOTHING ! History proves that a disarmed populace is a conquered populace. The next thing to go is the freedom of speech.

I think and secondly hope that a republican takes the White House. I have little confidence that Hillary will get there, Obama I havent studied yet so I cant make an honest opinion of him yet. I am waiting until the U.S. Supreme Court passes their ruling and to hear the candidates' ( Obama and Mc Cain ) response to it.

I also am sceptical a gun ban will pass and I agree with an earlier post about the timing of any attempt and I agree it would happen early on in the new administration.

I may be wrong but it seems to me that recent polls reflect a growing support of gun ownership rights in the past few years versus any other time in my memory ( compared to my awareness of the issue ).I hope that is true and I hope it continues for the sake of our country and its' citizens. I certainly will continue to vote in such a manner that insures our right to protect ourselves, our families, property and Country!

[Mad Hatter]

We will be done... Hillary and Barack are promising EVERYTHING under the sun to try and get votes.... It baffles me, as to who would vote for these people ... Under their promises our country will be more in dept than we already are... and they will support anti-gun changes.. Lets hope McCain gets in ..not my best hope, but better than a Barack Mohammad Obama or another Clinton for our next President..

[mym1a]

All of those that are state raised and wanting more hand outs is who they attract at the lower end of our society and power by those who back them financialy.

[sell33]

The problem right now is that most of the poor vote tends to go toward democrats and with the economy as it is there are more below the poverty line than there have been in awhile and also even those not that low yet are on their way and want a change, i must say i think a democrat will be in the white house a year from now....

[mym1a]

the poor are encouraged to remain poor by not accepting responsibilty for there actions the dems are great at playing the victim game.

[HippyInASuit]

If the democrats win we'll be just as bad off as if the republicans win. If Bush doesn't suspend or cancel the elections then I think we may be safe for a bit.

We'll need to use that time to repeal the Patriot Act, restore the Bill of Rights and Posse Commitatus. Otherwise we'll be screwed no matter who is in office, they'll all have the powers that Bush grabbed unless we restore our rights and our Constitution!

[Rave]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SuckLead

At some point, we have to stop being afraid. Remember, we, as American citizens, are the masters and they, as our elected officials, are the servants. Not the other way around. They want us to believe they are the masters. And they will be if we let them keep doing it.

Well put.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mad Hatter

We will be done... Hillary and Barack are promising EVERYTHING under the sun to try and get votes.... It baffles me, as to who would vote for these people ... Under their promises our country will be more in dept than we already are... and they will support anti-gun changes.. Lets hope McCain gets in ..not my best hope, but better than a Barack Mohammad Obama or another Clinton for our next President..

I don't think "Mohammed" is part of Obama's name, and I don't think it's part of his beliefs. I do think people should lay off the Muslim smear, before it backfires and swings more people to his side than it scares away.

I honestly think people are sick of Swiftboating and smearing people. Remember: it worked on McCain in North Carolina last time, but this time it probably brought him more sympathy votes than it cost him.

Not that I realistically think people are going to stop smearing candidates, on either side. But I think it'll have to be a little less blatant and a little more subtle this time around, and calling Obama a Muslim is about as subtle as calling him "boy" would be.

[mym1a]

I would like just once to hear from any of these candidates what they are going to do about any thing ? pick any subject what are they going to do about it???

[sell33]

Barack's middle name is hussein, not mohammed. He is not muslim however, he is a christian baptist....

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by sell33

Barack's middle name is hussein, not mohammed. He is not muslim however, he is a christian baptist....

That was my point.

Of course, now people will come out of the woodwork wanting to argue with you about whether he's a "real" Christian or not...

[Nanders]

hussein is also a muslim name (which he lied about and tried to pass off as an "african" name, I always felt like a name is something your parents give you and is not something to be so ashamed of to resort to lying about. There are alot of folks out there with Christian names that are not Christian). I realize that he is not muslim. I think that mad hatters point in using mohammed was to emphasize the muslim part of his name for cynical effect (although I am not trying to put words in his mouth)

He isnt a baptist, he is a member of the United Church of Christ. The one he belongs to is unashamedly afro-centric. (by their own admission) Yet according to the Scriptures there is no Jew or Gentile, slave or free in Christ. We are not to identify ourselves by those types of things under the authority of Christ. Most probably don't care a whole lot about this stuff, but for those that do check out this quote from Barack.

"I've always said that my faith informs my values, and in that sense it helps shape my worldview, and I don't think anyone should be required to leave their religious sensibilities at the door," Obama told the paper last week. "But we have to translate those concerns into a universal language that can be subject to argument and doesn't turn into a contest of any one of us thinking that God is somehow on our side."

The problem with that last statement, from a Christian perspective is that in order to be a Christian in the first place you must at least belive you are right about things that God has said. Next, a repentant person (required of Christians) must then repent from positions that are "wrong" and then embrace positions on issues which are pleasing to God. If one believes we cannot know "God's side" then why even waste time playing around in Christianity? Christianity makes very blunt claims about the fate of Christians and non-Christians. How can one accept these claims as truth, then turn around and say (in effect) we can't really know where God stands on anything?