[toolman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

I wouldnt say new rifles in 280 are scarce. Look in any catolauge and most manufacturers offer 1-2 rifles in it. If you ask me its getting more and more followers.

I just meant here in my area. I'm looking at either a used gun or one of the cheaper new guns like a Savage, Howa, or Weatherby Vanguard and no one around here stocks them in .280.

[Magnumsrule]

oh, well ya in that case i know what you mean. If you want a good one you prob have to order one.

[Binks]

Try a more common caliber, like the .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm NATO)

I shoot the Steyr SSG 69 for 30 years, and I never had a problem.

[Magnumsrule]

The 280 is a common cal. It also has more energy than the 308. It also has a slightly better tragectory at 400 yards.

[rob2]

280 is a nice round I dont know if I would be tring to push it that distance. not stable enough . where I hunt my shots are commonly out past 200yds other than the good old 308 I find the what works the best is the .338 magnums with a 180-200 gr bullet. shot 3 deer at over 500yds with this caliber

[Magnumsrule]

At that distance it is getting low on foot pounds. However a 338 win mag does not have as flat a tragectory.

[CHEF MIKE]

Panther Arms makes a nice .280. I shot one the other day and found it to make 1.5" group at 150yds. No complaints.

[rob2]

trajectory can be worked with if the bullet does not have a stable flight path whats the point of trajectory also the 308 and 30-06 does not have as flat of a trajectory as the 280 but the 308 caliber still stands the test of time in long distance shooting. if you want a distance round look at what national match shooters and snipers use. this is one of those topics that could be debated forever.

[samuel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by rob2

280 is a nice round I dont know if I would be tring to push it that distance. not stable enough . where I hunt my shots are commonly out past 200yds other than the good old 308 I find the what works the best is the .338 magnums with a 180-200 gr bullet. shot 3 deer at over 500yds with this caliber

If you go back to post#14 you can read where the .280 has plenty of power for deer at 400yds and still a good trajectory.As to .338mags,I dont think you know what you are talking about.Seldom have I ever seen anyone using less than 200gr bullets and usually heavier.That is the object of the larger bore.As to trajectory,the .30cal mags are better and carry plenty of punch at 500yds. sam.

[toolman]

My current deer rifle is an M-44 Mosin Nagant with a 2x scope. I have no doubts that I could figure the drop and use it out to 400 yds if I could see what I was shooting at (I can't). My point is, almost any cal. from .243 up will reach that far, but I'm wanting something that I don't have to work too hard at IF I have to stretch out past 300 yds. I may just stick with a .270-it has decent ballistics, good bullet selection, I already have dies and brass, and guns chambered for it are like flies.

[mtm1]

Seems odd nobody has actually used the 280. I had a Rem. mountain rifle in this cal. for a few years. Worked very well on Deer. Think of it as a 270 with a little more all around. I shot 140s at 3050 with extreme accuracy. 270/280/06 three pees in a pod.

[Palladin8]

In one of the other posts I started about the .280 someone stated that the cartridge was introduced in the Remington pump and semi-autos and had to be reduced so the weaker actions could handle it. It possibly would've been more popular had it been loaded hotter and in a bolt gun so it could compete with the .270 win.
In my opinnion it still has room in the case for more powder but manuals are conservitive due to it being chambered in the pumps and semi-autos.
I don't think you would be dissapointed if you did decide to buy a rifle chambered in it.

[Magnumsrule]

I said that lol. And yes if they loaded it as hot and to the same pressures as the 270 then it would be better. Much closer to the 7mm mag. How do you know that knowone has actually used the gun? I have shot one, and have seem my dad take numerous moose, deer, and some elk.

[mtm1]

Certainly didn't meen to upset anyone, the previous posts didn't mention anyone useing the 280. As I said its an excellent round, slightly more powerfull than the 270. Slightly bigger hole so more speed with the same weight projectiles and bigger bulletes on the top end to choose from.

[Palladin8]

Well I will tell you in a couple of days how the .280AI shoots. I just recieved an email saying my barrel will be shipped this week.

[gwrider]

can't go wrong with a .280 . Any thing a 06 will do can be done with a .280. I have 2 of these caliber rifles and have full confidence in either one to put the bullet on target if I do my part. 139/140 gr. bullets seem to be best on the small NC whitetails , most are under 150 lbs. The good thing about 280's is that by changing bullet weight you can also take elk and moose. also more bullet weights avaible than a .270.

[samuel]

Using the same weight bullet in .284cal and .308cal the smaller diammeter,longer bullet will be more stable and maintain fps better because of less drag and more length to stabilise it.The opposite is true comparing the .270win and .280rem altho when loading to the same pressure it is so slight you cant tell.I find that the .270win is only marginally better than the .280rem using 26" barrels and powders in the IMR4831,rl22 class with SAAMI spec loads.The .280rem AI can be loaded to equal the 7mm rem mag using slow burn rate powders. sam.

[mtm1]

Just to set things straight the 280 has more case capacity and a bigger hole.

[ArkansasHunter]

I beleive the 280 was developed by Remington to de-thrown the 270 win. and the
30-06 .
I have a copy of a Guns and Ammo When the 280 or 7mm express was introduced and a post some where here at Gun and Game about the 280.
It is a caliber that's one of the best of the best.
I sure wished I'd remembered the caliber when I bought my 308 Ruger
One things certain about the 280 Rem. it can walk the walk and talk the talk.
A.H

[samuel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by mtm1

Just to set things straight the 280 has more case capacity and a bigger hole.

There is no significant difference in case capacity as the only difference in measurements is the .270 meisures 2.156" to the neck and the .280rem meisures 2.199 to the neck.This is to prevent the .280 from being chambered in the .270.I think the .270 could be chambered in the .280 but the gas leakage would be so great I doubt there would be any danger.As to bore,there is .007",so there would be little difference in drag or ballistic coeffinciency.Any way you look at them,loaded with same weight bullets and same weight and type of powder,they are going to be very close in balistic performance. sam.