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Originally Posted by samuel  | I see no real proof that a treaty has been made and have heard nothing about it.Until someone posts the treaty or someplace to verify it I will consider this another blog with no verifiable credentials.Sorry men,it takes proof to get me excited.I just googled canwest news and there is nothing but an emblem and name.I still dont know anything that would substantiate this. sam. | Helps if you take the time to look huh.... U.S. Northern Command News
Looks interesting mixed in with NSPD-51.
(23) Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes, attached hereto, are hereby incorporated into and made a part of this directive.
(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders.
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02-24-2008, 09:29 PM
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#23 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by samuel | I see no real proof that a treaty has been made and have heard nothing about it.Until someone posts the treaty or someplace to verify it I will consider this another blog with no verifiable credentials.Sorry men,it takes proof to get me excited.I just googled canwest news and there is nothing but an emblem and name.I still dont know anything that would substantiate this. sam. | Sam, if I can find it, anybody can. Maybe you need to work on your computer skills....
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Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries... Latest News Canada, U.S. agree to use each other's troops in civil emergencies David Pugliese , Canwest News Service
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Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other's borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.
Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.
The U.S. military's Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.  American soldiers arrive on board the HMCS TORONTO as part of a training exercise in carrying out a NATO presence patrol in the Indian Ocean near Somalia. A new agreement between the U.S. and Canadian militaries has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S. Handout
The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.
The left-leaning Council of Canadians, which is campaigning against what it calls the increasing integration of the U.S. and Canadian militaries, is raising concerns about the deal.
"It's kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration. We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites," said Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians.
Trew said there is potential for the agreement to militarize civilian responses to emergency incidents. He noted that work is also underway for the two nations to put in place a joint plan to protect common infrastructure such as roadways and oil pipelines.
"Are we going to see (U.S.) troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?" he asked.
Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada. "We don't know the answers because the government doesn't want to even announce the plan," he said.
But Canada Command spokesman Commander David Scanlon said it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries on whether military assistance is requested or even used.
He said the agreement is "benign" and simply sets the stage for military-to-military co-operation if the governments approve.
"But there's no agreement to allow troops to come in," he said. "It facilitates planning and co-ordination between the two militaries. The 'allow' piece is entirely up to the two governments."
If U.S. forces were to come into Canada they would be under tactical control of the Canadian Forces but still under the command of the U.S. military, Scanlon added.
News of the deal, and the allegation it was kept secret in Canada, is already making the rounds on left-wing blogs and Internet sites as an example of the dangers of the growing integration between the two militaries.
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Scanlon said there was no intent to keep the agreement secret on the Canadian side of the border. He noted it will be reported on in the Canadian Forces newspaper next week and that publication will be put on the Internet.
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02-24-2008, 09:38 PM
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#24 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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I seem to remember mentioning this in regards to something else and I was scoffed at so to speak. Guess I wasn't that far off was I. lol.
Oh and by the way, Brother Bob, I found it. lol Right there under Headlines Scan. Clicked on it and, BAM!
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02-24-2008, 09:51 PM
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#25 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by GlockMeister | I seem to remember mentioning this in regards to something else and I was scoffed at so to speak. Guess I wasn't that far off was I. lol.
Oh and by the way, Brother Bob, I found it. lol Right there under Headlines Scan. Clicked on it and, BAM! | Thank you! I can't even print a joke on this forum without it going to Snopes, Google, or committee! Jeez!
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02-24-2008, 09:56 PM
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#26 | | Firearm Zealot
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Pred and Brother Bob: I have no computer skills and dont want to work on them.Thanks Mooseman and others for finding proof.Looks like we are well on our way to forming a western hemesphere government.I wish we could have passed something better on to our decendents. sam.
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02-24-2008, 09:57 PM
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#27 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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I wonder why the media didn't say a word? Any one email them this yet? I never heard a dam thing on the news...
Wait, I know why, this agreement was signed on the same day as the NIU shootings, Feb. 14th, 2008! Hmmmmmm, spidey senses really tingling now.
There are a few replies I'm curious to see in regards to this one. It could not only get really really ugly, but this gonna be a long thread!
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02-24-2008, 10:05 PM
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#28 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by samuel | Pred and Brother Bob: I have no computer skills and dont want to work on them.Thanks Mooseman and others for finding proof.Looks like we are well on our way to forming a western hemesphere government.I wish we could have passed something better on to our decendents. sam. | I don't know anything about building a gun and you need help with your computer skills...............Maybe we can help each other. What a noble concept. LOL!
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02-24-2008, 10:12 PM
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#29 | | Firearm Zealot
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Sam, I'm with you on that, and any president who tries to form a treaty with a foriegn country, in order to use their troops in our country, is guilty of treason in the worst possible manner. Any American official who would treat with foriegners in order to use their military forces on Our soil, in order to disarm or put down US citizens, for any reason, should be hung by the neck until done. Now, until I see proof of this allegation, that's all it is, with no weight.
Okay folks, all of you who know how to zip around on these things, what the H--- is going on? First off, as I said earlier, any politician who agrees to bring foreign troops onto US soil is guilty of treason. Our soldiers won't shoot us, do you think they will defend their country against mercenaries, brought here to disarm us? If I see a strange uniform bearing arms in my state, I will consider it an act of war, and proceed accordingly.
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02-24-2008, 11:28 PM
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#30 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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Follow the link mooseman provided above on page 2. Also, the link Pred found and has in his post above,also on pg.@ is from our military about it. According to it on Feb.14th,2008, the same day as the NIU shootings, an agreement was signed by both our military and the Canadian military to use each others to quash any civil unrest or I guess for whatever else our Government feels our own military would refuse to do, like disarm us...
By the way seabee, I'm truly sorry your friend didn't make it. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and yours as well as to and for his wife and any family...
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02-24-2008, 11:45 PM
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#31 | | Firearm Zealot
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Thanks Glock, and do you think the Canadians would actually send their young people down here to be put in such dire straits? That's the most diplomatic way I could think of to put the question.
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02-25-2008, 12:07 AM
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#32 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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You know seabee. I don't really know. What concerns me more, is what has got our Government worried or what are they thinking or planning that they're even doing it to begin with? I'd also be curious to hear what the Canadian public does feel about this. I would have to think, our Gov approached theirs about this rather then the other way around though. It don't quite sound like something Canada would do. They are in no way anything like Switzerland, but they don't go looking for trouble either...
Is there a true possibility they are going to do what England and Australia did and make 95 % if not all firearms illegal? And they know they'll have a fight on there hands and that in asking our troops they found out they wouldn't do it. And they figured it would be the quickest way to get troops in here that would do it?
I mean I'm sure they have people reading the stuff on these forums. They know how Americans feel. I'm also really confused I didn't and have yet to hear anything about this from our own media. As I previously mentioned, it did happen on Valentines day, the same day as the NIU shooting. But that don't or won't stop our media. Unless the media was left out of it also. I haven't any clue there.
I knew, well figured our own military wouldn't do it, which was why in that one thread I had the hypothetical scenarios. I guess I wasn't to far off in my thinking.
This has me quite concerned. To my knowledge, our country has never had let alone requested or made an agreement with or for any other military to be on it's soil. So why all of a sudden? As per usual, I'm just thinking out loud...
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02-25-2008, 12:12 AM
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#33 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Brother Bob | I don't know anything about building a gun and you need help with your computer skills...............Maybe we can help each other. What a noble concept. LOL! | I would like to help you with guns but dont think I want too much to do with computers.The ranges will be ocupying me before long and the varmints will be out and then my life begins.Just holler when you need me. sam.
I heard some time ago about how big industry wants to level the playing field,make all countrys equal and have this global market or control.Wierd things are going on.It seems no body thinks little people are worth much.Well,I am a little people.It sure is strange. sam.
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02-25-2008, 12:30 AM
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#34 | | Firearm Zealot
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The politicians are not our government, and if they think they can get away with bringing foriegn troops to disarm the citizens of this country, they better think again. As I said before, any strange uniforms on US territory, bearing arms, is an act of war, whether the civilians who were elected to serve this country realize it or not. If they think they can bring mercenary troops in to bend us to their will, they are sadly mistaken. I did not serve, so some inflated, rich, self-important jerk can send foriegners to take my means of self defense away, and turn me into a slave. That is the worst act of treason that can be commited, and I'll do my best to be there when they hang!!!
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#35 | | Firearm Zealot
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Hey Canada...Don't make me put my Kevlar helmet on and load My .50 Cal...
You won't like me...
U.S. Citizen Rich !
(We can Take care of ourselves...Stay In Canada!)
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Um....wow, I know that this is usually a no no on this board, but the problem in other countries when faced with a gun ban was a lack of unity. We have government groups such as the NRA, and SCI working on the hill, but do we have a group to protect our individual rights at home? The ppl in those groups are working hard to secure our rights, but who is there to protect us from our own government? I personaly swore an oath to uphold the constitution from all enemies foriegn and domestic. That oath holds true still, and when faced with tyranny our for fathers did what they had to do. They also set up a government that was ruled by the PEAPLE for the PEAPLE. I am now under the impression that this is getting out of hand and out of the realm of what it was meant to be.
I am with ya sea bee.
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#37 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Mooseman684 | Hey Canada...Don't make me put my Kevlar helmet on and load My .50 Cal...
You won't like me...
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(We can Take care of ourselves...Stay In Canada!) | jesus christ rich, with all due respect, get a grip. it is MY canadian government along with YOUR american government working on this. remember?
do you actually thing the average canadian wants to stick their nose in your buisness? doubtful, very doubtful. IF the canadian troops are ever brought in on american soil. i gaurantee it was from pressure brought to bear from the american government.
hell, it is here on this site i have had to listen to you guys, yes the american members, say that our canadian prime minister is simply bush's puppet, doing what bush says. so what's that tell you then? with that reasoning in place, then this idiotic theory of using each others troops to fix the others problems must be bush's brainchild. put blame where it belongs before you start pointing fingers and start saying "stay in canada" and making threats with your .50.
as far as how the canadian public thinks, i can only tell you how i think,
one, get your own house in order before looking to your neighbors, fix it in house, keep it in house. this should apply to all of us.
two, it is a shame you guys are policing the world, hell we got canadian troops dieing as well. personally, who gives a dam if the rest of the world is killing itself, they were doing it before we showed up and will continue to do so. then the troops could be at home where they are needed. that way if someone poses a serious threat, frag their ass and get back home.
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02-25-2008, 01:31 AM
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#38 | | Firearm Zealot
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Troy, dont get your panties in a wad, but You guys need to raise the same cain as we are about to...do you want armed US soldiers in your country under Martial Law ??? I think Not. Agreement or not, I am Sworn to defend this country against ALL invaders , And Canadian Troops on US Soil that fall out of our Constitutional Protections and it would be Suicide for your Boys...The same as if it was the Mexican army, The Chinese Army, or the Russian Army...
However, You Canadian Citizens are always welcome to come Over and Visit...
Oh and if we werent policing the world ,YOU would be speaking German or Japanese....
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#39 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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Originally Posted by Mooseman684 | Troy, dont get your panties in a wad, but You guys need to raise the same cain as we are about to...do you want armed US soldiers in your country under Martial Law ??? I think Not. Agreement or not, I am Sworn to defend this country against ALL invaders , And Canadian Troops on US Soil that fall out of our Constitutional Protections and it would be Suicide for your Boys...The same as if it was the Mexican army, The Chinese Army, or the Russian Army...
However, You Canadian Citizens are always welcome to come Over and Visit...
Oh and if we werent policing the world ,YOU would be speaking German or Japanese.... | if this crap goes through, and canadian troops had to cross over the border, it would be at the request of the american government. they wouldn't be invading. regardless, i dont like the sound of whats going on either, i cant think of a good reason for this. this is an absolute catastrophe in the making. i know a number of canadian soldiers and they dont care to cross borders to raise arms against americans anymore than your own soldiers do. i know what your talking about speaking german or japanese, do you remember how many canadians died in WWII in order to keep the world free?
edit, i always sound so goddam mad when i post on something that means a great deal to me. rich i am not attacking you, we're saying the same things i think. so put that .50 away before i gotta get my potato gun and start lobbing lab lites in your general direction. i aint firing more than a six pack though, i need to drink the rest to celebrate something.
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