02-25-2008, 08:40 AM
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#41 | | Resident Curmudgeon
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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the US Senate have to approve treaties? The President, even "imperial presidents" like Slick Willy Clinton and Curious George Bush, can't just go out and sign treaties with foreign nations. Even disasters for the American people like NAFTA and CAFTA had to be approved by the Senate.
But I do find it odd that I've seen no mention of this in mainstream American media. I'm going to give The Economist a very careful read when it comes this week. Something with the potential for oppression that this treaty/agreement offers will certainly show up on their political radar. If you read the Canadian paper on it, the agreement seems to be aimed at providing assistance in the event of natural disaster or terrorist attacks. But it's just a short step from there to assistance during a time of "civil disorder," and we all know what that might mean.
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02-25-2008, 08:41 AM
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#42 | | Firearm Zealot
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Yep. Canadians were in WWII as well. So I DO believe THEIR soldiers might have the same issue as ours.......unless after reading this post and they come away with a bad taste in their mouth. |
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02-25-2008, 08:53 AM
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#43 | | Firearm Zealot
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My legion mag last month had an article on U.S. troops in other countrys.It was 140+ countrys we have troops in.As to a Canadian soldier shooting a U.S. citizen,I dont belive they would do it any faster than a New Jersey soldier would shoot a Michigan citizen or vice versa.Unless you are a little different,it takes a lot to make you take human life,even when it isnt personal.If something is going to happen,it will be so suden we probably wont have a chance."BUT" they cant do anything until we are disarmed.We will fight.Both countrys. sam.
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02-25-2008, 08:57 AM
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#44 | | Firearm Zealot
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I feel the cousins in the North are in the same boat with us. Their officials are doing the same as ours, they want total control over the people. They undoubtedly feel the same anger that their leader wuold come to an agreement to use foreign troops on their soil, to do ANYTHING except help in a natural disaster. That means unarmed soldiers, not combat troops in full battledress! I try not to stoke the fire, but sometimes I slip. We need to get it through to the elected officials, from the top down, that they are there to serve, and not SUBJUGATE the people of their respective nations. This crap smacks of that dirty "one world order" garbage all over again! They can't subdue an armed population, and bend it to their will. Time to get on them and explain that we elect, and by the Lord, we can just as easily reject any person who would commit treason against his own country!
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02-25-2008, 09:06 AM
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#45 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by SKS NOOB Yep. Canadians were in WWII as well. So I DO believe THEIR soldiers might have the same issue as ours.......unless after reading this post and they come away with a bad taste in their mouth.  | the only bad taste in a canadians mouth, military or civilian is left there after having to swallow the amount of crap fed to us by our government.
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02-25-2008, 09:12 AM
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#46 | | Firearm Zealot
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We're getting the same treatment down here, Troy. The politicians think they're better than the rest of us, and smarter, and they think they know what's best for us poor dumb folks. I'm pretty tired of the treatment, myself!
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02-25-2008, 09:24 AM
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#47 | | Firearm Zealot
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i hate to break this to ya'll but after katrina hit the canadian mounted police was down here and helping days before the U.S troops was. so it done started already.
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02-25-2008, 09:31 AM
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#48 | | Firearm Zealot
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Were they packing guns and confiscating weapons? And they, after all, are law enforcement folks, not the same as armed troops. If they were simply helping unfortunates, good for them.
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02-25-2008, 09:52 AM
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#49 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Windwalker | It will be something big enough for the Govt. to declare Martial Law and ask Canadian Troops to help disarm the civilians. When the shooting and killing begin our American Troops will be called to support the Canadians who are under fire. Then the Civil War will begin. I don't like this treaty and I don't like President Bush being able to set aside "Posse Comitus''. I fear bad times are coming quickly. And A.H. if I understand it correctly with Posse Comitus set aside our troops can be ordered to fire on American Citizens. | Sounds like the MIC wants to pump up his" legacy!"
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02-25-2008, 10:07 AM
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#50 | | Firearm Zealot
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you know to tell you the trueth they are the only law enforcement angency that was praised after it was all over . there was nuthin but good words comin out about them. but they did say that the french came down to help out thier desendants ?? so i guess us down here in La are gonna be ok but everyone else better look out or start speaking french.lol
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Originally Posted by Seabeescotty | Were they packing guns and confiscating weapons? And they, after all, are law enforcement folks, not the same as armed troops. If they were simply helping unfortunates, good for them. |
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02-25-2008, 11:12 AM
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#51 | | Firearm Aficionado
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well now that it has been verified now what?
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02-25-2008, 11:17 AM
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Stock up faster...
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02-25-2008, 11:46 AM
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#53 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter | This is not good we can Police our selves and the American public should of been asked.
There are all kinds of emergencys and what if there were some kind of civil unrest and here comes the Canadians.
As some of you have already thought they could shoot us where it would be against our constitution for American soldiers to do that.
Somebody please tell me what in the Hell is going on with our Federal Goverment !!!
We talk about a lot of stuff here. You would think there out to crush us or sometrhing.
Is it just me ? Surely I'm wrong but I smell a RAT !
If any country's Army ever sets foot on our soil other than may be lend a hand with a disaster is that a violation of our Constitution ? | it appears to me that politicians answer to a higher organization then we the people, and are probably under a lot of pressure to move this country in a direction most of the population don't want to go?
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02-25-2008, 12:09 PM
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#54 | | Firearm Zealot
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| | Canada, U.S. Agree To Use Each Other's Troops In Civil Emergencies |
So....Canadian military is good enough for us, but Canadian drugs are not?
And, what is a "Civil Emergency" ?? Would that be a rise of Capitalistic Dictatorship where the government wants all of our firearms and all of our money? hmm....
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02-25-2008, 12:16 PM
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#55 | | Firearm Aficionado
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depends what your definition of is, is? lol
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02-25-2008, 12:36 PM
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#56 | | Firearm Zealot
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Would yall do what I'm fixing to do and call your local news paper and ask if you can e-mail this to them where the Americans that don't have computers can read this.
Looking at the big picture I can see some possibilitys to why our goverment and the Canadain goverment agreed to help each other.
What comes to my mind is a big Terrorist attack on a big city and also the possibility that were going to attack Iran in the future and that would leave our country low on man power. (Military Personal)
On the other side of the coin, what were discussing here, useing an outside force to help with a civil unrest. Remember New Orleans the Police department broke down because of Katrina.
What ever the case may be, I stand firm in beleiveing it's an aggression against U.S. citicens.
I honestly beleive that Bussiness has taken over what was the People's in the U.S and the World too and because of it there is an agenda wether it be called a Global economy or because of NAFTA or something else.
What ever the case may be the Amreican people are looseing it's voice, it's country and goverment...A.H
EDIT: I can see us looseing our guns in the future if any of this is true.
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02-25-2008, 12:43 PM
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#57 | | Firearm Zealot
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What ever the case may be the Amreican people are looseing it's voice, it's country and goverment...A.H
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Our country is being run by the liberals and liberal-minded from California and New York. We will lose all control of ourselves.
These people are self-governed by money and superficial "me" and "now" type attitudes. So, of course we are in for it.
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02-25-2008, 01:04 PM
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#58 | | Firearm Zealot
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I have to agree with the above posts. Our country is being run by special interests, not the voice of the people. We need to start getting real loud before it's too late. Let the elected officials know that we see what they're doing to us, and let them know that they're about out of a job, if they can't follow simple directions. Meaning obeying the constitution word for word. What they are planning is high treason.
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02-25-2008, 01:35 PM
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#59 | | Firearm Zealot
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Another thought from the other direction. I seem to remember the Canadian Government having trouble with the Metis sp? French. I would sure hate to see any of our Troops involved it that either. That is Canada's problem and we would have no business there but would our troops go if ordered, yes they would have to because with this treaty it would be a legal order and anyone who disobeyed would face court martial. I suspect that the Canadian Military has about the same policy and if ordered their Troops would have to obey also. This treaty must be repealed for the good of both countries. Also the Patriot Act should be repealed because it allows the President to disregard without due process provisions of the Constitution of the United States by which this Country has been governed since its inception.
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02-25-2008, 01:51 PM
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#60 | | Firearm Zealot
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I'm on your side, Windwalker. You said it all there!!!
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