I know how some of you guys feel about us being over in Iraq, but if this isn't some "shove it in yer eye and like it" type of diplomacy by the Iranian pres., then IDK what this is.
A few months ago Iran signed a U.S.$1.0 billion purchase agreement with
Russia for upgraded and in some cases state of the art military equipment.
You can verify this with CNN, Pravda, The Moscow Times, A.P., etc.
That was on the economic level but on the political level Iran purchased
Russia's vested interest in keeping Iran safe from any actions (read that American) that might disrupt Iran's internal and external political situation.
This does not totally tie our hands with Iran but, in reality, it does make
our ability to exercise options more difficult with potentially greater
consequences on the international scene. Russia, as you may know,
is now the big natural gas supplier to western Europe via their Gazprom operation. Sadly, on the currency spectrum, Russia holds many
billions of American dollars with the right to flood the international markets thus weakening the dollar.
Iran is more confident in working to gain influence in Iraq, sending
over roadside bombs, courting Iraq religious leaders, an so on . . .
The next American president will have to deal with Iran on the basis
of a mountain of evidence as to the need to quickly and forcefully
confront Iran. Otherwise, it will be a tough go internationally.
For what it is worth, in my one voice, I wish it were not this way.
I think that we may have done our last invasion as countries are starting to back each other up and form alliances makeing them selves much less vulnerable to attack.
I hope we didn't attack a country that was not an immediate threat to us and squander our resources only to be confronted by a country that may be.
If some of those opec countries decide to shut off our supply of oil we might be in trouble.
I think that we may have done our last invasion as countries are starting to back each other up and form alliances makeing them selves much less vulnerable to attack.
I hope we didn't attack a country that was not an immediate threat to us and squander our resources only to be confronted by a country that may be.
If some of those opec countries decide to shut off our supply of oil we might be in trouble.
We liberated Kuwait. They are on our side. Besides, we get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico. Kuwait would make up any shortage. Our biggest enemies are the Sierra Club types that don't want us to drill here or Anwar. No new refineries, etc.
Well I was told when I was young that the end of times would always be signaled by the forming of what could be called the United States of Europe. In other words. Those countries, Iran,Syria,Egypt,Yemen to name a few, would form up together and make one great nation. I'm sure we all know who they'll go after. It is already happening. As nathangdad mentioned, Iran and Russia have already made a connection. I believe Iran and Cuba have also done the same.
I suppose, you'd have to believe in all that to even care. But to anyone that takes an honest look, can see it is coming!
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The battle lines are forming around us. I must admit, The Iranian prez has more diplomacy going than the U.S prez. Iran is making more allies, while we keep losing ours, not good. I think the world has seen what the U.N. does to a country and are resisting now.
the choice of being in iraq was a win/win both politically and strategically.....reasons for it are as follows: #1 after being punched in the mouth on 9/11, we had to make a statement by retaliating in a familiar forum....we had already used kuwait and iraq in the first gulf war, so staging of troops and equip. were critical in regaining a foothold in the region....#2....geographically , this was a no brainer, with the close proximity to the gulf waterway....resupply is easier for the navy...#3.....we had to assert ourselves additionally by putting boots on the ground.....everyone knows that we already enjoy air-superiority, but to add infantry in large numbers showed commitment-REAL commitment, that wasn't showed the first go 'round....#4 by showing such commitment, iran, syria, etc., will think twice before confronting us conventionally, for we will then bomb them into submission, with no need of troop invasion....it's akin to spanking a naughty child....if u dont use preventative punishment, then you're inviting more trouble later....#5...if u dont fight it over there, u will have to fight it here on our soil anyway.....they are in this for the long haul, and so should we...for to do nothing will just show weakness.....we got to this superpower status by ACTING like a superpower....where would we be now had we pulled-out of wwII? nuff said.....
Thats cool, then you'll have no problem agreeing that the reasons given to the American public for the invasion of Iraq was nothing more then a lie. Because I don't seem to remember any of those in the speeches. The truth is Iran is not a threat to us, only to Israel. Same with Syria. There will be another world war, and it will take place in that part of the world. We've basically set up a huge base of operations against Iran and any other country that opposes Israel. No one can say, and be correct, that we are trying to win the war in Iraq. We defeated half the planet in less time then we've spent in Afghanistan and Iraq, and truth be told we don't have much to show for it. Our single purpose to to keep a presence there for when the SHTF. Mark my words, this WILL happen within a few months after a new president is put in office, if THAT happens at all. We've got about a year at most left to enjoy the lives we live today.
Well I was told when I was young that the end of times would always be signaled by the forming of what could be called the United States of Europe. In other words. Those countries, Iran,Syria,Egypt,Yemen to name a few, would form up together and make one great nation. I'm sure we all know who they'll go after. It is already happening. As nathangdad mentioned, Iran and Russia have already made a connection. I believe Iran and Cuba have also done the same.
I suppose, you'd have to believe in all that to even care. But to anyone that takes an honest look, can see it is coming!
Depending on what denomination you are reading the bible from the end of days, or the apocalypse is from a Man of Sin (the anti-christ) or a group of nations that form an evil which does actually start in the Middle East. They rise to power and start the end of days. Also, the sands turn to glass, which is what would happen if you nuke a desert. When you heat up sand to high temperatures you make glass. I am not sure if when the Bible was written they figured the fires from Hell would melt the sand into glass, but its in there as one of the signs.
Though, IMO, countries won't be unified and allied by political ties in the end but more by economical. We are already seeing the EU, and the AU (African and European Unions) and the Asian Union is already in the works. There have already been political talks about the North American Union as well. Once you unify the money and control the money then you control the countries by economny. Real crazy stuff, but sliding off topic sorry.
Iran has already said some pretty outrageous things about the Jews, the Holocaust, our government, their people, so on and so forth. It is like they are almost baiting us to attack them. I am not sure of their angle, but I think its to stretch out our economy even more. Vietnam nearly bled us of our economy because of the money spent on the war, and we did the same thing to Russia in Afghanistan.
Plus Iraq is torn with different political factions and if Iran were to keep them on the path of killing each other, Iran could easily take over their country. Of course these are just far fetched, what ifs, but it is crazy what has happened over there politically and I don't think there is any sort of fix that anyone can do, other than wait it out and see what happens. Which is why an exit strategy is so damn hard. If we pull out now we will most likely destroy what is left of their nation by them killing each other and other countries wanting to pounce on in at the opportunity.
Thats cool, then you'll have no problem agreeing that the reasons given to the American public for the invasion of Iraq was nothing more then a lie. Because I don't seem to remember any of those in the speeches. The truth is Iran is not a threat to us, only to Israel. Same with Syria. There will be another world war, and it will take place in that part of the world. We've basically set up a huge base of operations against Iran and any other country that opposes Israel. No one can say, and be correct, that we are trying to win the war in Iraq. We defeated half the planet in less time then we've spent in Afghanistan and Iraq, and truth be told we don't have much to show for it. Our single purpose to to keep a presence there for when the SHTF. Mark my words, this WILL happen within a few months after a new president is put in office, if THAT happens at all. We've got about a year at most left to enjoy the lives we live today.
I don't think a Texas sized can of Ajax would be able to clean up the aftermath of such a conflict.
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It's really simple if you think about it. We've set up one huge chess board in the middle east. We are in the middle of all that oil, and of course, have a huge presence in that part of the world. NO ONE can argue that certain groups and people are making BILLIONS off this war. Hillary and Obama have both said they WILL pull the troops out if they win. Any president, Democrat or Republican, at this point, will have to do a troop withdraw. McCain said we would keep a small presence there(like we did in Germany and Japan) as long as US troops are not dying. Do you really think thats possible? No. The powers that be will not allow us to lose that grip on the oil and that part of the world, at any cost. Something bad will happen to keep us there, and it will have to happen, more then likely within about 60 days of a new president taking office. It's the only way. No way will we leave the region and then go back, no, we won't leave at all. This war is not about winning, it's about something else. Truth be told I believe something will happen on our soil, by whom I'm not saying, before the next election. It will have to be something to rally support for the current administration, and on a massive level. Thats the only way we will be able to wage a war against Iran, which seems to be one of the ultimate goals at the moment. Congress and the American people won't go for it unless we have a reason to attack them. And trust me, it won't be some plane flying into a building either. It will more then likely be in the form of a small nuke used against our troops in Iraq, or on our soil. Call me a tin foil head if you like, but I would much rather be wrong, and look like a crazy, then be right and say I told you so.
Iran would be crippled with two U.S. airstrikes. One on their Nuclear plant and one on the only refinery they have. The Iranian people are warm towards the U.S. and hate the anti-Western rhetoric coming out of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mouth.
Actually, it would be easier to nuke our allies or "interests" in certain countries than us. Then the rest of the world would get involved in those "interests" as well and they don't want that. More than likely, those old enemy countries will want to make us look as bad as possible to reap the rewards thereof. If they "help" destroy our world influence, then basically we may have a hard time getting anything done anywhere even if we are completely justified. Food for thought.
What will stimulate an economy more so then anything else? War. And Bob, I'm not worried about if we are able to cripple Iran from the air, I'm worried about the event that will come right before that happens.
Iran would be crippled with two U.S. airstrikes. One on their Nuclear plant and one on the only refinery they have. The Iranian people are warm towards the U.S. and hate the anti-Western rhetoric coming out of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mouth.
If their people are even closely treated like the N.K. people, I would highly doubt it. At least for the majority, anyway.
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Also, I forget what they call this army now, but it is composed of roughly 1 million or more unarmed citizens (men, women, AND children) charging the front lines and just plain ole overwhelming the "enemy". Whoever has to kill them, will be frowned upon. Whether it will organize, I can't say. They were used in the Iran/Iraq War pretty effectively, that's for sure and kept the Iraqis on their side of the border.
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