[jmp8927]

I would normally stay out of threads like this because of how controversial they always become, however, I want to throw a quick word in. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever special about the geographical country of Israel. I find that most people put them in a special group because they're "israelites". In the sense that they live in a country called Israel, that is correct. However, very very few of them are actually Israelites i.e. descendants of the Biblical Israel(Jacob). True Israelites were disbursed throughout the world by the empires of Assyria and Babylon and others simply migrated because of a lack of room in the then geographical area of Israel. The people that live in that region today as a large majority are not true Israelites. The only thing they have in common is that most of them believe as is taught in the Old Testament of the Bible. God does not protect a geographical region called Israel. He protects the descendants of Israel where ever they are. It's most probably that eventually the majority of the Descendants made their way eventually to the US, so go figure why this country has lasted as long as it has.

I doubt many if any of you will be persuaded by what I just said, but that is what I believe. My primary reference comes from a series of books written by Steven Collins specifically on the origins of Israel, and their history throughout the past and his newest book which I still have to read about where Israel is today. You can view his collection of books on the subject here http://www.bibleblessings.net/index.html?target=p_8.html〈=en-us . Even if you don't believe it could be possible, they're well worth reading.

As far as Israel and Palestine fighting, the Palestinians have good reason not to like the country of Israel. That land was stolen from them following WWII and given to people who had never even lived there. How would y'all like it if the rest of the world came in and tried to force the US to give up a significant portion of our land to some foreigners who had no right to be here? I'd say we would all be fighting mad. NOW before anyone jumps the gun, I do not condone the methods the Palestinians use. Murdering civilians is always too much regardless of reasons. The US has also been guilty of that on several occasions(Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc). I don't believe there is any excuse for it.

Ok. Now on the thread subject. It is really controversial, but that's never stopped the media before. That story would probably get a lot of views, so I can only assume that it wouldn't be in the interests of the media in general to show it. Then they might be saving it up for something special. Who knows?

[Rave]

All this grief can be summed up with a date,1947.
Those of you who know what happened in 1947 know what is happening and why it will never end.
Those of you who don't and are interested might check the history of the area.
Hint,England started it.

[LarryO1970]

Allrighty... apparently religion is a huge lightning rod here and is creating some havoc.

We all have some pretty diverse opinions on this and I feel is beginning to cause some unintended consequences.

I apologize for posting this ...

[GlockMeister]

It would be nice if there was a translation of what was said in those videos. I haven't a clue. lol

Your right LarryO, as it always is and will always be, religion is a hot and debated topic. Same with politics. As the time nears, it will have far more meaning then many currently refuse to admit.

To avoid argument, I shall say no more. lol

By the way that was a great book, "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.

[Windwalker]

Well said Larry O, I will post no further on this thread either.

[9mmfan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jmp8927

I would normally stay out of threads like this because of how controversial they always become, however, I want to throw a quick word in. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever special about the geographical country of Israel. I find that most people put them in a special group because they're "israelites". In the sense that they live in a country called Israel, that is correct. However, very very few of them are actually Israelites i.e. descendants of the Biblical Israel(Jacob). True Israelites were disbursed throughout the world by the empires of Assyria and Babylon and others simply migrated because of a lack of room in the then geographical area of Israel. The people that live in that region today as a large majority are not true Israelites. The only thing they have in common is that most of them believe as is taught in the Old Testament of the Bible. God does not protect a geographical region called Israel. He protects the descendants of Israel where ever they are. It's most probably that eventually the majority of the Descendants made their way eventually to the US, so go figure why this country has lasted as long as it has. I doubt many if any of you will be persuaded by what I just said, but that is what I believe. My primary reference comes from a series of books written by Steven Collins specifically on the origins of Israel, and their history throughout the past and his newest book which I still have to read about where Israel is today. You can view his collection of books on the subject here http://www.bibleblessings.net/index.html?target=p_8.html〈=en-us . Even if you don't believe it could be possible, they're well worth reading. As far as Israel and Palestine fighting, the Palestinians have good reason not to like the country of Israel. That land was stolen from them following WWII and given to people who had never even lived there. How would y'all like it if the rest of the world came in and tried to force the US to give up a significant portion of our land to some foreigners who had no right to be here? I'd say we would all be fighting mad. NOW before anyone jumps the gun, I do not condone the methods the Palestinians use. Murdering civilians is always too much regardless of reasons. The US has also been guilty of that on several occasions(Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc). I don't believe there is any excuse for it. Ok. Now on the thread subject. It is really controversial, but that's never stopped the media before. That story would probably get a lot of views, so I can only assume that it wouldn't be in the interests of the media in general to show it. Then they might be saving it up for something special. Who knows?

If Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor and killed many, many civilians , the U.S. would not have bombed Hiroshima or Nagaski, everyone knows that. By the U.S. bombing Hiroshima it saved thousands of lives of U.S. servicemen and civilians in mainland Japan. If we would had to attacked the main island of Japan millions of civilians in Tokyo would have died instead of thousands in Hiroshima. After the bomb was dropped in Hiroshima we gave Japan plenty of time to surrender, they did not, so then we bombed Nagaski.

If the U.S. was just trying to kill people in Japan, we would had bombed Tokyo instead of Hiroshima.

Which really has nothing to do with this thread subject anyway. It is writen in the book Revalation that the country Israel will be attacked, by a country from the north. It is not talking about just the people, but the countries.

[soonerborn]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jmp8927

The US has also been guilty of that on several occasions(Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc). I don't believe there is any excuse for it.

Not only did the bombings in Japan save tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of American lives, it saved many many more Japanese lives. They had armed the civilians with crude weapons and were fully prepared to sacrifice everyone down to the last person instead of surrendering. That is a very good reason to drop those bombs and it was the absolute right thing to do. Now you can argue all you want about maybe only 1 was needed but I dont think that holds water either.

Dresden on the other hand was a complete tragedy and should never have happened. Nothing there, no advantage was gained, just a complete disgrace in my opinion.

Supporting Israel has nothing to do with Israelites or not, for me. A decision was made, things are the way they are so what are you going to do, 2 wrongs dont make a right. I just look at the situation as it is now, and I can clearly see which side the good guys are on and which side the bad guys are on. Which side is trying to kill as many civilians as possible and which side is fighting in a controlled manner, hitting specific targets and minimizing the civilian casualties.

[tommy]

i think what pred was meaning was we are never gonna achieve victory in iraq. sure when we get into a battle sure we wipe them out but what happens ??? we kill so many of their family members that it only breeds more to fight another day. so in alot of ways pred is 100%right we will never win this war we will win every single battle but we will end up loosing the total war(no disrespect to the soldiers or the ones who have givin thier lives for it ) we do suport the troops but it's like talking to a wall a soldier will always say i can do it just let me go . it's been trained into him i think if the media was givin full privliges to post pictures of caskets and other photos then it would open up alot more eyes as to what is going on over there but bush has them on a leash look after 9,11 everytime a body was puled from the ruble they showed it on tv infact the whole nation was pretty much at a standstill watching that flag drapped casket being carried out now this will anger some but why did they get all this special treatment ?did they go off to defend the country?was they soldiers?the answer is no!!!no!!! but man they got treated like they was shot down on the front lines. but now look at the real heros who are out there getting killed what do they get when they come home in a box? they get nuthin thats what they get so don't go blaming media on anything they can only print and post what bush allowes them too. now going back to my coments about the people who died in the 9/11 attacks i would like to know why they call them heroes ?the ones on the plane that tried to take back controle of it and died doing so yes but all the stockbroakers that was going to work that day why would it make them a hero what is so heroic about going into war. the firefighters and policemen that worked the towers after yes they can be considered heroes for going back into there to save people but the rest of them they was ordinary poeple but yet they got the treatment of a war veteran or should i say they got better treatment .

the only reason them pictures and videos was shown of the casckets at 9.11 was to make the public more and more angry thats what bush wanted but why doesn't he let us give the falen soldiers their respect.

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

We win our battles in Iraq Pred... nice to see you see the bias in the media and your complete lack of faith in our fighting men and women. Thanks for your continued support in our defeat. We can fight this dedication with our own dedication and will to win. It is people like you whom create the unsettling feeling in our fighting forces that the "people" do not support them. We surely do not need to kill them all... that is not the idea. The idea is for the rational people of the Islamic faith to outnumber and overwhelm the radicalized Islamic followers and to show them that they were mislead into their radical beliefs. According to the regular Islamic followers, this is the case. Do you deny it? Try turning off your liberal media feeds... you will get better information.

[LarryO1970]

Tommy... with all due respect... I am done commenting on this thread. We all could argue this for year to come and it would not matter one iota to the "idiots" in Washington, they are going to do their own thing without representing what the people want.

It is clear we all have different opinions, different backgrounds and different outlooks on what we see... called perceptions. Some are more "tied" to these wars than others due to a loss of a family member, a veteran of these wars or a victim of terrorism themselves. We ALL are tied to these wars one way or another, especially in the way we all are Americans... and our country is at war, whether we believe in it or not.

The best thing we all can do is support our men and women of the armed forces in any possible way we can.

[OZHUNTER62]

Quote:       Originally Posted by killer

"AH" what about the ultra-Orthadox Jews (Harediim)...I mean some of them won't even talk to you if they consider you unclean and a heathen. Talk about biting the hands that feed you. I don't think there would be much diff between them and the Taliban running the show. The "Harediim" don't seem to mind stoning anyone improperly dressed to their standards. I ain't got time for them either.

and............. thats a NO BEER!!!!!!!!!! for them too huh Killer

[tommy]

i say we build a huge offshore loading and unloading platform and all container ships must stop there to be checked out and after they are checked then they can eneter the ports . next we must pring home all troops and use the money to better our own defenses instead of building others up. stop worrieing about everyone else and take care of us . if anyone gets close to our border let them have one warning then shoot to kill . lets make out own berlin wall. we spend more money and more people die for other countries that just end up turning around and useing our own stuff we gave them against us.it's time to wakeup and smell the gunpowder. I SUPPORT THE TROOPS 100% BUT I DON'T SUPORT THE PRESIDENT AT ALL!! the funniest thing was i was told by a marine that if i don't suport the president or his actions then i don't support the troops???? how many of you use a map and followed it ony to find out it took you down a wrong road that was no good anymore ?? do you blame the map?or do you blame the map maker? i blame the map maker .

[Pred]

Wasn't this thread locked? I'm confused...

[LarryO1970]

It was yesterday... ? Maybe since cooler heads prevailed, it was unlocked? Who knows...

[Pred]

What? We can't have that.... LARRY IS A POOPYHEAD

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

What? We can't have that.... LARRY IS A POOPYHEAD

LOL ... whatever, doesn't bother me anyway.

Pred, take a look at my post on the kid who was given detention for wearing a shirt with a gun picture on it ... under "political correctness"

Apparently also under "Boy punished for T-shirt with gun image"

[Pred]

I hate political correctness, HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!!!!

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

I hate political correctness, HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!!!!

Were you stomping your foot wearing a high heel ala "The Waterboy" ? LOL ...

[Pred]

With stockings. I like stockings, especially when they rub aga.... never mind. So, 1 point or 2 point sling for AR's?

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

With stockings. I like stockings, especially when they rub aga.... never mind. So, 1 point or 2 point sling for AR's?

Depends on personal taste. I like single point since they hang better on ya... quicker to aim. You will see a lot of SOG guys using these.

Two point slings are good when you are dealing with rookies or are in an area that you need more weapons control i.e. rocky ledge, etc. These are more traditional.

[Rave]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tommy

i say we build a huge offshore loading and unloading platform and all container ships must stop there to be checked out and after they are checked then they can eneter the ports . next we must pring home all troops and use the money to better our own defenses instead of building others up. stop worrieing about everyone else and take care of us . if anyone gets close to our border let them have one warning then shoot to kill . lets make out own berlin wall. we spend more money and more people die for other countries that just end up turning around and useing our own stuff we gave them against us.it's time to wakeup and smell the gunpowder. I SUPPORT THE TROOPS 100% BUT I DON'T SUPORT THE PRESIDENT AT ALL!! the funniest thing was i was told by a marine that if i don't suport the president or his actions then i don't support the troops???? how many of you use a map and followed it ony to find out it took you down a wrong road that was no good anymore ?? do you blame the map?or do you blame the map maker? i blame the map maker .

Well put tommy,I think that Marine probably believed what he was saying,might have been brainwashed or possibly not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
In any event ya' just have to overlook some things and learn from others.