[9mmfan]

It seems like atleast once a week on CNN and CBS they talk about how many U.S. servicemen have died in Iraq and how much it is costing. I may not see it everyday, but I do see it atleast once a week. I have a lot of respect for our brave military and it bothers me a lot everytime I hear about just one who has died in Iraq. I also have family in that war. Everyone knows it's a bad war, that's for sure. The only people who are happy about our servicemen getting killed is the Muslim people and kids (talk about brain washing) like the ones shown in the video that Larry put on this website.

I think Larry is right in saying that our Generals were not allowed to fight this war the way that they wanted to.

"To be fair, Christians married as young as 13 year olds, just the age to bear a child. Back then it was very common. Well, then perhaps you can explain other archaeological findings, mainly the ones we call dinosaurs and that are millions of years old?"

Yes, I'm sure there used to be some 13 year olds Christians who got married, just not many to 30 year old men who claim to be men of God who had 9 other wives. (Except maybe years ago in Utah, and I'm not going to get into that.) And yes there were *dinorsaaurs, the bible does not conflect with that fact at all, read all about on this web site: www.PointsOfOrigins.com


Disney is one of the most liberal company's in the U.S. ! They offer joint Health Care benifits for gay couples ! There isn't to many company's in the U.S. that offer that. In fact, the Southern Baptist Convention boycotted Disney a few years ago over that. And no, I'm not a Southern Baptist, although I have a lot of friends who are. I attend a conservative non-denominational church.


* www.PointsofOrigins .com

[troy2000]

Actually, a LOT of companies offer Health Care and other benefits for same-sex couples. According to the Human Rights Campaign, as of mid-2000 (eight years ago!):

3,400 private and public employers in the U.S. provide domestic-partner benefits for lesbian/gay employees.
In 2000-JUN, the big three automakers (Daimler-Chrysler Corp., Ford Motor Co., and General Motors Corp.) announced that they would extend benefits starting 2000-AUG-1.
On 2000-JUN-22, the Coca-Cola Company announced that it will extend benefits on 2001-JAN-1.
99 companies out of of the 500 largest companies in the U.S., as listed in the Fortune 500 gave these benefits. This includes six of the top ten companies: General Motors, Ford, IBM, Citigroup Inc., AT&T and Boeing. (15 months later, in late 2001-SEP, the number had grown to about 165.) 7
Other large companies which provide domestic-partner benefits are: American Express, American Airlines, Amoco, Avon, Barnes & Noble, Chevron Oil, Clorox, Coors Brewing, Disney, Eastman Kodak, Gap, General Mills, Hewlett Packard, IBM, Levi Strauss, Mattel, Microsoft, Nike, Nynex, Pacific Telesis, Pillsbury, Proctor and Gamble, Quark, Reebok, Shell, Starbucks Coffee, Sun Microsystems, Time Warner, United Airlines, US Airways, US West, and Xerox.
Very few companies have rescinded their extended benefit program: Perot Systems Inc, headed by former presidential candidate Ross Perot, did in 1998.
At the time of the Exxon-Mobil merger, 1999-DEC-30, Mobil's domestic partner benefits program was discontinued.

These benefits have become very common within certain economic sectors, including computers, movies, airlines and oil companies.

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Might be a sweeping generalization to say, "the Democrats support this"...I don't remember ever seeing it as a plank in any of their party platforms, or on any of their flyers, or hearing it in any speeches by a major candidate.

... I'll respond in the "Your Gun Rights and Election 2008", called "List of Anti-Gun Politicians" ... fair enough?

[Pred]

Look, I've already got this figured out. After the election their will be an "attack" on US soil. Martial Law will be put in place but the Dems will want Bush out. He'll say no, they will protest. Since laws have already been put through that allows HIM to determine who is a terrorist, he will classify the new president and many members of the Congress, the House, and the Senate as domestic terrorists and they will vanish much like many of the people who voiced against Stalin. Iran/Syria will be blamed and we will launch strikes against them. Meanwhile there will be panic on the streets and our world will turn into that of Jericho. I will have a wet spot in my pants and my dream will become real....

[Rave]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

Look, I've already got this figured out. After the election their will be an "attack" on US soil. Martial Law will be put in place but the Dems will want Bush out. He'll say no, they will protest. Since laws have already been put through that allows HIM to determine who is a terrorist, he will classify the new president and many members of the Congress, the House, and the Senate as domestic terrorists and they will vanish much like many of the people who voiced against Stalin. Iran/Syria will be blamed and we will launch strikes against them. Meanwhile there will be panic on the streets and our world will turn into that of Jericho. I will have a wet spot in my pants and my dream will become real....

Sound like pieces of a jig saw puzzle,all the pieces are there,they only need to be properly arranged.

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by sell33

My guess would be that because it is such a controversial subject it would be hard for a newscaster to tell us about this without showing a little bias and networks here will not do anything that would risk losing viewers as they are simply in it for the money.

but they already have a particular consumer base they cater to as is

[9mmfan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Actually, a LOT of companies offer Health Care and other benefits for same-sex couples. According to the Human Rights Campaign, as of mid-2000 (eight years ago!): 3,400 private and public employers in the U.S. provide domestic-partner benefits for lesbian/gay employees. In 2000-JUN, the big three automakers (Daimler-Chrysler Corp., Ford Motor Co., and General Motors Corp.) announced that they would extend benefits starting 2000-AUG-1. On 2000-JUN-22, the Coca-Cola Company announced that it will extend benefits on 2001-JAN-1. 99 companies out of of the 500 largest companies in the U.S., as listed in the Fortune 500 gave these benefits. This includes six of the top ten companies: General Motors, Ford, IBM, Citigroup Inc., AT&T and Boeing. (15 months later, in late 2001-SEP, the number had grown to about 165.) 7 Other large companies which provide domestic-partner benefits are: American Express, American Airlines, Amoco, Avon, Barnes & Noble, Chevron Oil, Clorox, Coors Brewing, Disney, Eastman Kodak, Gap, General Mills, Hewlett Packard, IBM, Levi Strauss, Mattel, Microsoft, Nike, Nynex, Pacific Telesis, Pillsbury, Proctor and Gamble, Quark, Reebok, Shell, Starbucks Coffee, Sun Microsystems, Time Warner, United Airlines, US Airways, US West, and Xerox. Very few companies have rescinded their extended benefit program: Perot Systems Inc, headed by former presidential candidate Ross Perot, did in 1998. At the time of the Exxon-Mobil merger, 1999-DEC-30, Mobil's domestic partner benefits program was discontinued. These benefits have become very common within certain economic sectors, including computers, movies, airlines and oil companies.

Really, I didn't know that there is that many company's with health Insurance benefits that are treating gay couples the same as married couples.

So, if one member of this gay couple has a job and the other one just stays at home without a job. The person working can provide health Insurance from their company so that the stay at home gay "partner" can have health Insurance too, just like as if they were married? Isn't that sweet.

I really don't keep with gay rights that much myself. I don't really have a reason to. I'm happilly married to my wife. And if what you are saying is true Troy, then it only proves how far down hill the liberals have taken this country. I guess the liberals have a lot other things to do than just try to make guns outlawed don't they? Atleast that's my opinion.

[Pred]

Whats wrong with offering health benefits to same sex couples 9mmfan? Does that offend you? Do you believe it is morally wrong? That they are second class citizens who don't deserve the same benefits that you and your family have? I have to agree, if we could just keep those dirty cornholing gays from having benefits the worlds problems would be solved. Muslims and Arabs and Jews would throw down their arms and finally live together as one.... Oil and food prices would drop. The Iraqi war would finally be over, Iran would no longer be an issue. Global warming, criminals, rape, murder, hunger, corruption IN OUR STREETS!!! Would all work itself out if we could just figure out how to do away with homos....

[9mmfan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

Whats wrong with offering health benefits to same sex couples 9mmfan? Does that offend you? Do you believe it is morally wrong? That they are second class citizens who don't deserve the same benefits that you and your family have? I have to agree, if we could just keep those dirty cornholing gays from having benefits the worlds problems would be solved. Muslims and Arabs and Jews would throw down their arms and finally live together as one.... Oil and food prices would drop. The Iraqi war would finally be over, Iran would no longer be an issue. Global warming, criminals, rape, murder, hunger, corruption IN OUR STREETS!!! Would all work itself out if we could just figure out how to do away with homos....

That post is so stupid I'm not even going repsond. Read what A.H. said about this country, that pretty much sums up how I feel too.

[Pred]

No, whats stupid is saying someones gay partner getting health benefits like a wife/husband would:

Quote:      

only proves how far down hill the liberals have taken this country

Thats most idiotic thing I've heard in some time.

[9mmfan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

No, whats stupid is saying someones gay partner getting health benefits like a wife/husband would: Thats most idiotic thing I've heard in some time.

What you wrote down below is stupid, I never said they were second class citiizens or any of the other stupid things you wrote below. But it seems like I really hit a nerve with you on this gay topic. Sounds like you have decided to come out of the closet. I stand behind my Christian beliefs 100% and I'm proud of it ! Not everyone is going to have the same belief or opinons so get over it.


"Originally Posted by Pred
Whats wrong with offering health benefits to same sex couples 9mmfan? Does that offend you? Do you believe it is morally wrong? That they are second class citizens who don't deserve the same benefits that you and your family have? I have to agree, if we could just keep those dirty cornholing gays from having benefits the worlds problems would be solved. Muslims and Arabs and Jews would throw down their arms and finally live together as one.... Oil and food prices would drop. The Iraqi war would finally be over, Iran would no longer be an issue. Global warming, criminals, rape, murder, hunger, corruption IN OUR STREETS!!! Would all work itself out if we could just figure out how to do away with homos

[ArkansasHunter]

I'll say something !!! Can we not then put a parent, brother, sister cousin on our insurance plans ?
Why should Gays that do such dispicable acts, that goes against nature be able to Insure there partner ?
Are they now recconized as a minority or as a wed couple ?
Do boyfriends and girlfriends that live together have this right ?
Will this lead to more openess ?

I swear I just heard on the new minutes ago that siffillas (mis spelled) is about epidemic with Gay men and it's going untreated.
Not to mention the Aids epidemic.

Last but not least God hates The Gay life styles and will punish countrys that condone it !!!
For those here that don't beleive in God I know I'm wasting my breath but I have to live in this country too, and don't tell me to leave it because I'm not.
I will assure you it will continue to destroy this nation if this life style is reconized and allowed to continue.
I'm done here and I'm disappointed that there is so many ignorant blind people !
May god have mercy on you...Mike

Moderators please lock this thread it's a waist of time and doesn't belong here anyway.

[tlarkin]

So, you think because you believe in something morally, it should apply to everyone regardless of gender, sex, or sexual orientation? This is not a matter of morals, it is a matter or rights. We are saying that the government has no right to deny gay couples the rights that straight married couples have.

This isn't about religion, yet everyone keeps brining it up in the last few posts. It is about our rights as being an American Citizen! If you want to take away those rights, then you are un-american, I am tired of this back asswards logic that people have with their morals should equal laws. A lot of things can be agreed upon universally with morals. Stealing, murder, rape, etc are all bad things. However, to sit here and say that homosexuality is un-natural you need to go pick up a book or watch the discovery channel. It has been scientifically proven that some percentage of animals do have gay tendacies. Some write it off as instinct, and less dominate males who can't win a female in the wild turn gay, however, there are conflicting arguments and good points on both sides.


I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own home, that is their personal choice and their right as an American citizen. I will not persecute someone for that even if I don't agree with it (special circumstances aside). We all need to grow up here and just realize that some issues are more about rights than they are morals.

[tlarkin]

Resorted to name calling already? I just asked you a simple question, if you believe that your moral stance should strip away people's rights because of their sexual orientation.

I don't see how I was ever being an idiot, and i never named called you or told you were wrong with your opinions.

[ArkansasHunter]

tlarkin I deleted my post because I'm better than that, though it's true from my stand point.
Now move on I am !