Restricting things like this goes to far!

GlockMeister · 03-15-2008, 12:09 AM

I was window shopping and ran across this item and was shocked and amazed to see it is restricted and those who live in Cutlery cannot be shipped to Marin, Napa, Ventura and Yolo counties, CA; D.C.; MA;
CAN NOT purchase it.

Gerber Suspension Multi - Plier, Knives, Gerber at Sportsman's Guide

This is just ridiculous. And this should be enough to show anyone and prove they'll stop you from having anything if you let them. I can't believe something like this is restricted. I'm not all that thrilled living in Illinois anymore for many reasons, but obviously, it isn't as bad (YET!) here, as a few other places.

Not sure if the powder keg was the place for this post or not, but I just had to show how pathetic politicians can be and just how far they'll go if we let them. Restricting this item and other items like it, is utterly ignorant!

hawkeye_gunner · 03-15-2008, 12:40 AM

Wait... it says that cutlery can't be shipped anywhere in CA? Thats definitely not correct, its the Sportsman's guide who chose to do that.

rondog · 03-15-2008, 12:50 AM

WARNING: Cutlery cannot be shipped to Marin, Napa, Ventura and Yolo counties, CA; D.C.; MA; Canada or Puerto Rico. Please check your State, County and City laws for restrictions before ordering Cutlery.

Only mentions four counties. But still, the OP is right, it's ridiculous.

troy2000 · 03-15-2008, 12:57 AM

Just those counties listed in California, plus D.C. and Maryland. And somehow I doubt everything is banned; the company is just too lazy or too timid to sort out what's legal and what isn't.

There's a vendor on gunbroker.com who says, "no semi-automatic weapons shipped to California." Again, that isn't state law. It's the seller's policy. And I stopped bidding on a couple of guns when I noticed the disclaimer, even though I was bidding on a revolver and a bolt-action milsurp. I figure if they can have that sort of zero-tolerance policy for Californians, I can have one that says they aren't getting a dime of my money for anything, period.

My nephew wanted a knife that was sold by Cheaper Than Dirt, and they refused to send it to him on the grounds that it wasn't legal to ship it to California. So he went down to BJ Sporting Goods in Hemet, CA and bought the exact same make and model...

GlockMeister · 03-15-2008, 01:35 AM

Just those counties? Shouldn't be any county restricted to order that item. It's only a multi-tool for pete's sake.

No, they do check. They wouldn't let me order a pellet gun because it shot over 700fps. I even tried to have a gun dealer order it. They still refused, this time though I found out, yes it was laziness. They just didn't want to do the paperwork involved. You have to buy anything that shoots over 700fps and or where the projectile is .18" or larger as if it was a firearm. But, I did ended get it in the long run, as explained below. lol
The gun dealer had his brother order it, he lives in Wisconsin. Then he sold it to his brother (the gun dealer) in Illinois and he then had me fill out the proper paperwork and then sold me the pellet gun. Yes, that is/was also ridiculous.

But yes, laziness or not, they do check state laws. When I had that pellet gun problem, I called and they transferred me to the guy who is their, well we'll say their in house law researcher. lol But in talking to him he stated that about every 6 month to a year or so he re-checks the states laws to see if he can remove or if he has to add something.

He did also state that with certain states, it's easier to kind of blanket some items. Because the spectrum is so vast and wide, and so vague at times, it would cost them too much money and time to go through items one at a time.

As for the knife you speak of, that was probably one of those blanket items the guy had mentioned to me because there are some knives or what ever that are restricted and it would take a coons age to go line item by line item and see if it is or isn't actually restricted.

I don't understand why anyone would ban any kind of knife to begin with,a 3" blade, hell butter knife can kill a person if that's the thinking, the same as a 5" or 6" blade. It comes down to knowing the difference between right and wrong. I just think some things some many states restrict are ignorant. Blow guns? Give me a break. breakhttp://www.sportsmansguide.com/....aspx?a=365111

Some PLASTIC airsoft guns, what, can they be converted to the real things? May as well ban cap guns, wait, they probably are somewhere. lmao
Crosman Pulse R70 Soft Air Gun, Air Guns/Paintball, Crosman at Sportsman's Guide

I could go on with a large list of ridiculous restricted items but my point wasn't to pick on any one state or to bad mouth California or anything. If you'll notice, IL., MN., CT.,Oh, and a host of others have restrictions on the above link. My point was to show that if we let them, they'll ban things just about because they can. If we let them. It's already happening, the links kind of prove it... I apologize if you or anyone thought I only started this thread to bad mouth Ca....

ArkansasHunter · 03-15-2008, 01:51 AM

That is insane !!!

Brother Bob · 03-15-2008, 07:50 AM

A perfect example of a company willing to lose some business, rather than ending up in court. Some of our states are becoming there own little countries. Don't get me wrong. I believe in Federalism, but this is going a little too far!

troy2000 · 03-15-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

No, they do check. They wouldn't let me order a pellet gun because it shot over 700fps. I even tried to have a gun dealer order it. They still refused, this time though I found out, yes it was laziness. They just didn't want to do the paperwork involved. You have to buy anything that shoots over 700fps and or where the projectile is .18" or larger as if it was a firearm...

Amazing sometimes, the difference in state laws. Here in California, I bought a break-barrel Gamo that will shoot lead pellets @ 1000fps, and Raptor PBA pellets @ 1200 fps (those crack like a .22, because they go supersonic). I found it at Walmart, on the shelf right beside the stack of Daisy Red Ryder BB guns. No paperwork, no nothing; I might as well have been buying Fruit Loops.

Of course, we had an idiot state legislator a few years ago from the San Diego area, who introduced a bill to classify potato guns as destructive devices and make their possession a felony. He claimed he was carrying it at the request of local law enforcement agencies, but all those contacted by reporters were simply puzzled and amused...he wound up pulling the bill.

Brother Bob · 03-15-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

Amazing sometimes, the difference in state laws. Here in California, I bought a break-barrel Gamo that will shoot lead pellets @ 1000fps, and Raptor PBA pellets @ 1200 fps (those crack like a .22, because they go supersonic). I found it at Walmart, on the shelf right beside the stack of Daisy Red Ryder BB guns. No paperwork, no nothing; I might as well have been buying Fruit Loops.

Of course, we had an idiot state legislator a few years ago from the San Diego area, who introduced a bill to classify potato guns as destructive devices and make their possession a felony. He claimed he was carrying it at the request of local law enforcement agencies, but all those contacted by reporters were simply puzzled and amused...he wound up pulling the bill.

I have one of them. Does yours have a recoil pad? Mine does! LOL!

troy2000 · 03-15-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

I have one of them. Does yours have a recoil pad? Mine does! LOL!

Are you talking about the air rifle or the spud guns? I have both, and neither has a recoil pad. My spud gun has a pretty good recoil, but it's a slow push.

7mmremmag1995 · 03-15-2008, 11:07 AM

if they can't get something like that then how do they cut there rib eyes and pork chops

Brother Bob · 03-15-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

Are you talking about the air rifle or the spud guns? I have both, and neither has a recoil pad. My spud gun has a pretty good recoil, but it's a slow push.

No it's a pellet rifle. It shoots a .177 @1,000 fps. and has a recoil pad. The thing is almost as loud as a .22! Ah Hell, Troy. I'll have to go dig it out and look at it. I've only shot it a few times. I purchased it back in 2006. It has a 24 to 26 inch barrel on it. It's bigger than my .30-06! LOL!

troy2000 · 03-15-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

No it's a pellet rifle. It shoots a .177 @1,000 fps. and has a recoil pad. The thing is almost as loud as a .22! Ah Hell, Troy. I'll have to go dig it out and look at it. I've only shot it a few times. I purchased it back in 2006. It has a 24 to 26 inch barrel on it. It's bigger than my .30-06! LOL!

I love mine. Check yours out and let me know what you have. The only problem I have with mine is that it's extremely sensitive to both the type and weight of pellet being fired, and the way it's held. If I change ammo, I have to re-sight it. And putting my elbow or hand on a rest, or kneeling, or simply shifting my grip on the forestock, or holding it tighter or looser, affects the point of aim.

I finally settled on shooting it with my left hand cupping the trigger guard and my elbow and upper arm braced against my body; and my right holding the grip as lightly as possible; and just letting it jump. As long as I hold it exactly the same way each time, I can get one-inch groups at a hundred feet. That's good enough to perforate a pigeon, or to do a head shot on a rabbit.

Big Dog · 03-15-2008, 07:11 PM

If it's company policy, it simply reflects the stupidity of the State or County laws. The company doesn't see the need to try to kowtow to every little Municipal Hitlerian Demogogue out there. If you don't like the policy, feel free to go elsewhere.
For those of us in Free States and Counties, we'll order what we want, from who we want. I personally have no problem with SG, other than occasioanlly they run out of the item I want - but that's the way it is with liquidators.

For a good long-term solution, get a grassroots campaign going, and get the silly laws changed! It can be done. We need to get it together and take back our nation - vote the Demogogues OUT!!

A man should have NO restrictions on ordering basic cutlery and tools.

troy2000 · 03-16-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Dog

If it's company policy, it simply reflects the stupidity of the State or County laws. The company doesn't see the need to try to kowtow to every little Municipal Hitlerian Demogogue out there. If you don't like the policy, feel free to go elsewhere.
For those of us in Free States and Counties, we'll order what we want, from who we want. I personally have no problem with SG, other than occasioanlly they run out of the item I want - but that's the way it is with liquidators.
For a good long-term solution, get a grassroots campaign going, and get the silly laws changed! It can be done. We need to get it together and take back our nation - vote the Demogogues OUT!!
A man should have NO restrictions on ordering basic cutlery and tools.

Sorry. That kind of mindless zero-tolerance policy also reflects the stupidity or laziness of a company that would rather cut off whole segments of its potential customer base than do a little basic research. There are very few items that are fuzzy under most laws; the rest are pretty cut-and-dried.

Don't get too snotty about living in so-called "free" states or counties; most places have a mix of good and bad laws. As I pointed out earlier, in California I can buy a high-powered air rifle without it being treated as a firearm. And I can buy a handgun without getting a signed permission slip from my local sheriff. I can't do either of those in some places where people run around bragging about how free and conservative they are...

GlockMeister · 03-16-2008, 12:50 AM

See this is what I'm talking about. They must have session when everyone, including the flippin' media is asleep and restrict all this stuff. Then unless we run across it,want or need it, we don't really know just what states, cities or counties have restricted what.

It wasn't only that website I found did or does this. Cheaper than dirt is the same, and a host of other sites. You only know it or find out about it if you research it or try and order it and get told no.

As for the pellet gun, and that company, I wrote a letter to both the NRA and the American Rifleman TV show. They are a sponsor of the American Rifleman show and I'm pretty sure the owner of SPG is a lifetime member of the NRA. So I figured they should both know that one of their sponsors and more then likely an NRA member was preventing me from my 2nd Amendment right and explained what was going on or had happened. I did after about 2 months get an email stating, Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Now whether or not they did or will actually do anything remains to be seen.

But like I told them. I wanted it to teach my son. How can kids learn if someone doesn't take the time to teach them properly and safely and to be responsible with firearms. I also mentioned they, in this case the state of Illinois, probably figures out of site out of mind. Also, how is a child suppose to learn to handle a firearm safely if they can't handle one. I mean kids do on occasion find them. If my son ever does, I want him to know what to do and not to do. And if some other kid should pick it up, to know what to watch for so he don't get shot.

It is totally ridiculous at some of the things they think WE THE PEOPLE shouldn't or can't have. That we can't think or fend for ourselves. It's time it stopped.

I feel as if what our fore fathers warned us what to watch for and what they put in the Constitution and Bill of rights to prevent us from is slowly happening and our Government is slowly trying. It's time we let them know, they're in for a fight!

And as for SPG. Other then that, and as you stated BigDog, them running out of an item or two, I truly have no problem with them either. But I guarantee you this. If where you live ever decides to restrict or ban something, you'll be in the same boat as the rest of us. And those other places you say you'll go to get it elsewhere from, they'll be following the same rules as SPG, I guaramteed done told ya' so. lol

JASON6969 · 03-16-2008, 03:54 AM

That is INSANE to ban the shipping of multipliers.They i guess should ban ball piont pens.They can be a VERY lethal weapon if you know what you are doing.

oldjarhead · 03-16-2008, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 7mmremmag1995

if they can't get something like that then how do they cut there rib eyes and pork chops

Well, I'd guess that these folks with their false finger nails, false eyelashes, false tits, lifted faces, do it with their false teeth.

Big Dog · 03-16-2008, 05:05 AM

Sorry Troy - gotta agree to disagree this time. You seem to be of the opinion that every company wishing to do nation-wide business must institute a massive legal department to try to keep up with all local, municipal, state AND Federal laws - they can't aford that. This is open business, and the companies can have their own regulations. If you don't like it, try elsewhere.
I blame a highly litigious society, that WILL sue a company for the crime committed by a customer using their product. IF that product is not allowed to be imported by local law - it's the customer's responsibility to abide by the laws. There wouldn't be many companies left if they had to fight the legal beagles day in and day out.
As I said, we need to fight for new laws, that don't criminalise the populace.
For instance, I have an autoknife I can carry all over Florida - but if I get caught with it in Alabama, I go to jail! Why should I be penalised up there, when it's legal here?
So if you want to be able to order and receive these items in California counties, NJ and elsewhere - fight for that right! Change those idiotic laws. Don't just blame the company trying to stay in business.

That's my opinion, and the last I'll say on the matter.

troy2000 · 03-16-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Dog

Sorry Troy - gotta agree to disagree this time. You seem to be of the opinion that every company wishing to do nation-wide business must institute a massive legal department to try to keep up with all local, municipal, state AND Federal laws - they can't aford that. This is open business, and the companies can have their own regulations. If you don't like it, try elsewhere.
I blame a highly litigious society, that WILL sue a company for the crime committed by a customer using their product. IF that product is not allowed to be imported by local law - it's the customer's responsibility to abide by the laws. There wouldn't be many companies left if they had to fight the legal beagles day in and day out.
As I said, we need to fight for new laws, that don't criminalise the populace.
For instance, I have an autoknife I can carry all over Florida - but if I get caught with it in Alabama, I go to jail! Why should I be penalised up there, when it's legal here?
So if you want to be able to order and receive these items in California counties, NJ and elsewhere - fight for that right! Change those idiotic laws. Don't just blame the company trying to stay in business.
That's my opinion, and the last I'll say on the matter.

And your viewpoint is a valid one, Big Dog. But mine is that if a company refuses to sell me something I'm legally allowed to buy and own, I'm not going to buy anything at all from them.

You don't need a "massive legal department" to keep up with most of the shipping restrictions in this country, and there are plenty of small shops and companies out there who navigate the legal waters just fine. It's the bigger companies, like Gerber, who typically pull this sort of bs.

The problem with wanting uniform laws in every state is that the only way to get them is to have the federal government write all the laws. That would eliminate the whole concept of states' rights and local government, and put us at the total mercy of Congress and the Justice Department.

03-15-2008, 12:09 AM	#1
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,362	Restricting things like this goes to far! I was window shopping and ran across this item and was shocked and amazed to see it is restricted and those who live in Cutlery cannot be shipped to Marin, Napa, Ventura and Yolo counties, CA; D.C.; MA; CAN NOT purchase it. Gerber Suspension Multi - Plier, Knives, Gerber at Sportsman's Guide This is just ridiculous. And this should be enough to show anyone and prove they'll stop you from having anything if you let them. I can't believe something like this is restricted. I'm not all that thrilled living in Illinois anymore for many reasons, but obviously, it isn't as bad (YET!) here, as a few other places. Not sure if the powder keg was the place for this post or not, but I just had to show how pathetic politicians can be and just how far they'll go if we let them. Restricting this item and other items like it, is utterly ignorant! __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-15-2008, 12:57 AM	#4
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,402 Images: 9	Just those counties listed in California, plus D.C. and Maryland. And somehow I doubt everything is banned; the company is just too lazy or too timid to sort out what's legal and what isn't. There's a vendor on gunbroker.com who says, "no semi-automatic weapons shipped to California." Again, that isn't state law. It's the seller's policy. And I stopped bidding on a couple of guns when I noticed the disclaimer, even though I was bidding on a revolver and a bolt-action milsurp. I figure if they can have that sort of zero-tolerance policy for Californians, I can have one that says they aren't getting a dime of my money for anything, period. My nephew wanted a knife that was sold by Cheaper Than Dirt, and they refused to send it to him on the grounds that it wasn't legal to ship it to California. So he went down to BJ Sporting Goods in Hemet, CA and bought the exact same make and model... __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

03-15-2008, 01:35 AM	#5
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,362	Just those counties? Shouldn't be any county restricted to order that item. It's only a multi-tool for pete's sake. No, they do check. They wouldn't let me order a pellet gun because it shot over 700fps. I even tried to have a gun dealer order it. They still refused, this time though I found out, yes it was laziness. They just didn't want to do the paperwork involved. You have to buy anything that shoots over 700fps and or where the projectile is .18" or larger as if it was a firearm. But, I did ended get it in the long run, as explained below. lol The gun dealer had his brother order it, he lives in Wisconsin. Then he sold it to his brother (the gun dealer) in Illinois and he then had me fill out the proper paperwork and then sold me the pellet gun. Yes, that is/was also ridiculous. But yes, laziness or not, they do check state laws. When I had that pellet gun problem, I called and they transferred me to the guy who is their, well we'll say their in house law researcher. lol But in talking to him he stated that about every 6 month to a year or so he re-checks the states laws to see if he can remove or if he has to add something. He did also state that with certain states, it's easier to kind of blanket some items. Because the spectrum is so vast and wide, and so vague at times, it would cost them too much money and time to go through items one at a time. As for the knife you speak of, that was probably one of those blanket items the guy had mentioned to me because there are some knives or what ever that are restricted and it would take a coons age to go line item by line item and see if it is or isn't actually restricted. I don't understand why anyone would ban any kind of knife to begin with,a 3" blade, hell butter knife can kill a person if that's the thinking, the same as a 5" or 6" blade. It comes down to knowing the difference between right and wrong. I just think some things some many states restrict are ignorant. Blow guns? Give me a break. breakhttp://www.sportsmansguide.com/....aspx?a=365111 Some PLASTIC airsoft guns, what, can they be converted to the real things? May as well ban cap guns, wait, they probably are somewhere. lmao Crosman Pulse R70 Soft Air Gun, Air Guns/Paintball, Crosman at Sportsman's Guide I could go on with a large list of ridiculous restricted items but my point wasn't to pick on any one state or to bad mouth California or anything. If you'll notice, IL., MN., CT.,Oh, and a host of others have restrictions on the above link. My point was to show that if we let them, they'll ban things just about because they can. If we let them. It's already happening, the links kind of prove it... I apologize if you or anyone thought I only started this thread to bad mouth Ca.... __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-15-2008, 07:50 AM	#7
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,670 Blog Entries: 3	A perfect example of a company willing to lose some business, rather than ending up in court. Some of our states are becoming there own little countries. Don't get me wrong. I believe in Federalism, but this is going a little too far! __________________ The Most Expensive Commodity In This Country Is Ignorance!

03-15-2008, 11:07 AM	#11
7mmremmag1995 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,270 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 1	if they can't get something like that then how do they cut there rib eyes and pork chops __________________ Just LeDoux it

03-15-2008, 12:40 AM	#2
hawkeye_gunner Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 109	Wait... it says that cutlery can't be shipped anywhere in CA? Thats definitely not correct, its the Sportsman's guide who chose to do that.

03-15-2008, 12:50 AM	#3
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 1,323	WARNING: Cutlery cannot be shipped to Marin, Napa, Ventura and Yolo counties, CA; D.C.; MA; Canada or Puerto Rico. Please check your State, County and City laws for restrictions before ordering Cutlery. Only mentions four counties. But still, the OP is right, it's ridiculous.

03-15-2008, 01:51 AM	#6
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,675	That is insane !!!

03-15-2008, 07:11 PM	#14
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	If it's company policy, it simply reflects the stupidity of the State or County laws. The company doesn't see the need to try to kowtow to every little Municipal Hitlerian Demogogue out there. If you don't like the policy, feel free to go elsewhere. For those of us in Free States and Counties, we'll order what we want, from who we want. I personally have no problem with SG, other than occasioanlly they run out of the item I want - but that's the way it is with liquidators. For a good long-term solution, get a grassroots campaign going, and get the silly laws changed! It can be done. We need to get it together and take back our nation - vote the Demogogues OUT!! A man should have NO restrictions on ordering basic cutlery and tools. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

03-16-2008, 12:50 AM	#16
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,362	See this is what I'm talking about. They must have session when everyone, including the flippin' media is asleep and restrict all this stuff. Then unless we run across it,want or need it, we don't really know just what states, cities or counties have restricted what. It wasn't only that website I found did or does this. Cheaper than dirt is the same, and a host of other sites. You only know it or find out about it if you research it or try and order it and get told no. As for the pellet gun, and that company, I wrote a letter to both the NRA and the American Rifleman TV show. They are a sponsor of the American Rifleman show and I'm pretty sure the owner of SPG is a lifetime member of the NRA. So I figured they should both know that one of their sponsors and more then likely an NRA member was preventing me from my 2nd Amendment right and explained what was going on or had happened. I did after about 2 months get an email stating, Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Now whether or not they did or will actually do anything remains to be seen. But like I told them. I wanted it to teach my son. How can kids learn if someone doesn't take the time to teach them properly and safely and to be responsible with firearms. I also mentioned they, in this case the state of Illinois, probably figures out of site out of mind. Also, how is a child suppose to learn to handle a firearm safely if they can't handle one. I mean kids do on occasion find them. If my son ever does, I want him to know what to do and not to do. And if some other kid should pick it up, to know what to watch for so he don't get shot. It is totally ridiculous at some of the things they think WE THE PEOPLE shouldn't or can't have. That we can't think or fend for ourselves. It's time it stopped. I feel as if what our fore fathers warned us what to watch for and what they put in the Constitution and Bill of rights to prevent us from is slowly happening and our Government is slowly trying. It's time we let them know, they're in for a fight! And as for SPG. Other then that, and as you stated BigDog, them running out of an item or two, I truly have no problem with them either. But I guarantee you this. If where you live ever decides to restrict or ban something, you'll be in the same boat as the rest of us. And those other places you say you'll go to get it elsewhere from, they'll be following the same rules as SPG, I guaramteed done told ya' so. lol __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6! Last edited by GlockMeister; 03-16-2008 at 12:57 AM.

03-16-2008, 03:54 AM	#17
JASON6969 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vidalia GEORGIA Posts: 125	That is INSANE to ban the shipping of multipliers.They i guess should ban ball piont pens.They can be a VERY lethal weapon if you know what you are doing. __________________ THE MIND IS THE BEST WEAPON

03-16-2008, 05:05 AM	#19
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	Sorry Troy - gotta agree to disagree this time. You seem to be of the opinion that every company wishing to do nation-wide business must institute a massive legal department to try to keep up with all local, municipal, state AND Federal laws - they can't aford that. This is open business, and the companies can have their own regulations. If you don't like it, try elsewhere. I blame a highly litigious society, that WILL sue a company for the crime committed by a customer using their product. IF that product is not allowed to be imported by local law - it's the customer's responsibility to abide by the laws. There wouldn't be many companies left if they had to fight the legal beagles day in and day out. As I said, we need to fight for new laws, that don't criminalise the populace. For instance, I have an autoknife I can carry all over Florida - but if I get caught with it in Alabama, I go to jail! Why should I be penalised up there, when it's legal here? So if you want to be able to order and receive these items in California counties, NJ and elsewhere - fight for that right! Change those idiotic laws. Don't just blame the company trying to stay in business. That's my opinion, and the last I'll say on the matter. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.