Mexican drug gangs bringing in high power weapons - Page 2

CrazyIvan · 03-17-2008, 02:05 PM

Illegal Immigration and the importation of the "Hoodlum" and "Ghetto" factor that comes with it is a lead contributor to the downfall of much of our Society in this country today.

I know those factors existed in our country before illegal immigration was a big issue. But, I believe, with the influence of illegal immigration, it has multiplied exponentially.

Don't tell me illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with these Mexican Gangs. If we truely took steps to secure our border, they would not get into our country.

As a euphemism, I think of it like unprotected sex. Sure, it might feel good for some people, but there are a lot of bad things that come with it. Eliminate unsafe sex, or sex itself and you are free of those bad things.

LarryO1970 · 03-17-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Illegal Immigration and the importation of the "Hoodlum" and "Ghetto" factor that comes with it is a lead contributor to the downfall of much of our Society in this country today.

I know those factors existed in our country before illegal immigration was a big issue. But, I believe, with the influence of illegal immigration, it has multiplied exponentially.

Don't tell me illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with these Mexican Gangs. If we truely took steps to secure our border, they would not get into our country.

As a euphemism, I think of it like unprotected sex. Sure, it might feel good for some people, but there are a lot of bad things that come with it. Eliminate unsafe sex, or sex itself and you are free of those bad things.

... right on Ivan.

LarryO1970 · 03-17-2008, 02:18 PM

... not if the people have their say ...

These politicians that are leading us towards socialism need be removed from office, period.

CrazyIvan · 03-17-2008, 02:20 PM

That is the problem, Larry...they are slowly taking away our say. The moment it is gone, they will turn us into the New USSR.

Big Tool · 03-17-2008, 03:36 PM

It just makes me want to puke when i think about how stupid anti-gun fanatics are. Uncle sam could take every registered gun from every legal American tomorrow and it wouldn't change anything except make thugs like these have no fear of retallation from striking law abiding civilians.

Maybe Mexico is planning an attack. It is impossible to drive down I-59 heading south towards New Orleans without passing a Mexican Convoy. They usually consist of 5-7 vehicles and each vehcle is towing 1-2 vehicles behind it. Every person in these vehicles are always mexicans and i would bet anything they are illegal. Amazingly they are never pulled over. Every one of them is illegally towing "lights not working, tag expired, etc,"

LarryO1970 · 03-17-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Tool

It just makes me want to puke when i think about how stupid anti-gun fanatics are. Uncle sam could take every registered gun from every legal American tomorrow and it wouldn't change anything except make thugs like these have no fear of retallation from striking law abiding civilians.

Maybe Mexico is planning an attack. It is impossible to drive down I-59 heading south towards New Orleans without passing a Mexican Convoy. They usually consist of 5-7 vehicles and each vehcle is towing 1-2 vehicles behind it. Every person in these vehicles are always mexicans and i would bet anything they are illegal. Amazingly they are never pulled over. Every one of them is illegally towing "lights not working, tag expired, etc,"

Mexico can plan an attack all they want, the people in this country have more than enough firepower in private hands to beat the Mexican military. Come on, the French are more of a threat to us than the Mexican military.

Economically, the Mexicans are more of a threat due to their invasion... the politicians who are allowing this are allowing this invasion... and that is exactly what it is.

The people need to press the Govt. to go after illegals as well as denying the amnesty attempt by some in Washington. Once it is abundantly clear to all in this country, the people will go after Washington.

ezearln · 03-17-2008, 04:11 PM

Actually guys those caravans of mexicans you see here towing those vehicles are for the most part legitimate folks not illegals, they come up and wander throughout the border states looking for older cars and mainly pickups especially the little ones that are in folks yards or barns etc, they buy em if they can get a title and then take them back to mexico to fix up and get running again then turn around and sell them down there I know cause I have dealt personally with them folks and most even if a bit scruffy are decent enough looking to do some labor and make a little money.

CrazyIvan · 03-17-2008, 04:16 PM

So EZ, you are admitting to knowingly hiring undocumented (a.k.a. Illegal) workers?? WOW...

ezearln · 03-17-2008, 04:32 PM

CI you ole rascal did you actually read my post?? If you did you need help on your english comprehension skillls buddy! Go ahead now and read it again. Carefully...

CrazyIvan · 03-17-2008, 04:36 PM

So you didn't hire them? That last sentence is a bit misleading. But, then you support the idea of hiring them? I'm confused.

Mad Hatter · 03-17-2008, 04:43 PM

When this story aired on Saturday, they said that the border in Texas is like a war zone. And I saw a local politician in another story (when the guy blew away the two house robbers) say the same thing, and by the way one of those guys killed had been caught and sent back to Mexico 69times. I think it is to late to stop the spread of illegals now. Our gov. will never do what needs to be done down there to stop it.

troy2000 · 03-17-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Illegal Immigration and the importation of the "Hoodlum" and "Ghetto" factor that comes with it is a lead contributor to the downfall of much of our Society in this country today.
I know those factors existed in our country before illegal immigration was a big issue. But, I believe, with the influence of illegal immigration, it has multiplied exponentially.
Don't tell me illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with these Mexican Gangs. If we truely took steps to secure our border, they would not get into our country.
As a euphemism, I think of it like unprotected sex. Sure, it might feel good for some people, but there are a lot of bad things that come with it. Eliminate unsafe sex, or sex itself and you are free of those bad things.

Ivan, let's not get crazy blaming illegal immigration for all our problems. I guarantee we've exported more gang problems than the illegals have brought into our country, and the illegal gangbanger types we're having problems with all have their roots in this country.

Look at the Crips and Bloods. You think they wouldn't be here if we had sealed the borders?

ezearln · 03-17-2008, 04:54 PM

No CI I didn't hire them I sold them a truck they wanted to tow back to mexico and then resell down in Mexico after they fixed it up a little... Perfectly legal and you see them doing it all over Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico thats what them caravans are... But it fixin to come to an end with Mexico banning the importation of the older cars and trucks now.

CrazyIvan · 03-17-2008, 04:56 PM

I never denied the problems which existed prior to the immigration problem.

I said we had our problems...but, allowing the immigration of illegals has added to the problems exponentially.

As far as your argument...2 wrongs don't make a right. Take the problems you have and minimize them, which to do that, would have been to stop the influx of Mexican gangstas and hoodlums and illegal immigrants in general.

LarryO1970 · 03-17-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

Ivan, let's not get crazy blaming illegal immigration for all our problems. I guarantee we've exported more gang problems than the illegals have brought into our country, and the illegal gangbanger types we're having problems with all have their roots in this country.

Look at the Crips and Bloods. You think they wouldn't be here if we had sealed the borders?

... of course they wouldn't be, they are not Mexican gangs like MS-13. IF we had sealed the border and seal it in the future, we could eliminate some of the ties, communication and trafficking FOR gangs like MS-13.

I don't believe we're trying to say that illegal immigration is responsible all of our problems. We are good enough at creating our own.

What needs to happen here... is the Govt., in bipartisan strength, voting to and financing the strengthening of the border as well as fortifying it as needed.

Economically... through identity theft, costs to emergency responders, police, etc. ... we are all paying for them being here illegally.
They ARE a drain on the economy.

Mooseman684 · 03-17-2008, 05:09 PM

Over 6 Billion dollars a year Drain on US !!!

CrazyIvan · 03-17-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryO1970

Economically... through identity theft, costs to emergency responders, police, etc. ... we are all paying for them being here illegally.
They ARE a drain on the economy.

How about the additional use of roadways and upkeep of them?
Public transportation
Public institutions of Education
The use of an Emergency Room for a free-clinic
Loss of jobs available to Americans, IN America

just to add a few...

troy2000 · 03-17-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... of course they wouldn't be, they are not Mexican gangs like MS-13. IF we had sealed the border and seal it in the future, we could eliminate some of the ties, communication and trafficking FOR gangs like MS-13.

I don't believe we're trying to say that illegal immigration is responsible all of our problems. We are good enough at creating our own.

What needs to happen here... is the Govt., in bipartisan strength, voting to and financing the strengthening of the border as well as fortifying it as needed.

Economically... through identity theft, costs to emergency responders, police, etc. ... we are all paying for them being here illegally.
They ARE a drain on the economy.

MS-13 isn't Mexican, it's Salvadorean. And it originally started in this country, and was taken back to El Salvador by deported teenagers. I think Ivan's claim that the illegals have multiplied the gang problem "exponentially" is a vast overstatement.

I guess I have a little too much grammar nerd in my blood; to me, "exponentially" means "mulitiplied by powers of ten or more."

Wherever their original roots were, I agree that MS-13 is almost shockingly violence-prone, and some of the worst of them are coming back here from El Salvador. Sealing the borders better would certainly help, with them and with other Hispanic gangs.

LarryO1970 · 03-17-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Over 6 Billion dollars a year Drain on US !!!

... exactly, put that money back into the economy and where would we be now? obviously, better than where we are now...

03-17-2008, 02:05 PM	#21
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,299 Trader Rating: (0)	Illegal Immigration and the importation of the "Hoodlum" and "Ghetto" factor that comes with it is a lead contributor to the downfall of much of our Society in this country today. I know those factors existed in our country before illegal immigration was a big issue. But, I believe, with the influence of illegal immigration, it has multiplied exponentially. Don't tell me illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with these Mexican Gangs. If we truely took steps to secure our border, they would not get into our country. As a euphemism, I think of it like unprotected sex. Sure, it might feel good for some people, but there are a lot of bad things that come with it. Eliminate unsafe sex, or sex itself and you are free of those bad things. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me Last edited by CrazyIvan; 03-17-2008 at 02:08 PM.

03-17-2008, 02:18 PM	#23
LarryO1970 "Blazing Saddles" GOV Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 2,170 Trader Rating: (0)	... not if the people have their say ... These politicians that are leading us towards socialism need be removed from office, period. __________________ "Guess what?! I've got a fever, and the only prescription... is more cowbell!"

03-17-2008, 02:20 PM	#24
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,299 Trader Rating: (0)	That is the problem, Larry...they are slowly taking away our say. The moment it is gone, they will turn us into the New USSR. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

03-17-2008, 04:11 PM	#27
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	Actually guys those caravans of mexicans you see here towing those vehicles are for the most part legitimate folks not illegals, they come up and wander throughout the border states looking for older cars and mainly pickups especially the little ones that are in folks yards or barns etc, they buy em if they can get a title and then take them back to mexico to fix up and get running again then turn around and sell them down there I know cause I have dealt personally with them folks and most even if a bit scruffy are decent enough looking to do some labor and make a little money. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

03-17-2008, 04:16 PM	#28
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,299 Trader Rating: (0)	So EZ, you are admitting to knowingly hiring undocumented (a.k.a. Illegal) workers?? WOW... __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

03-17-2008, 03:36 PM	#25
Big Tool Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MS Posts: 590 Trader Rating: (0)	It just makes me want to puke when i think about how stupid anti-gun fanatics are. Uncle sam could take every registered gun from every legal American tomorrow and it wouldn't change anything except make thugs like these have no fear of retallation from striking law abiding civilians. Maybe Mexico is planning an attack. It is impossible to drive down I-59 heading south towards New Orleans without passing a Mexican Convoy. They usually consist of 5-7 vehicles and each vehcle is towing 1-2 vehicles behind it. Every person in these vehicles are always mexicans and i would bet anything they are illegal. Amazingly they are never pulled over. Every one of them is illegally towing "lights not working, tag expired, etc,"

03-17-2008, 04:32 PM	#29
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	CI you ole rascal did you actually read my post?? If you did you need help on your english comprehension skillls buddy! Go ahead now and read it again. Carefully... __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

03-17-2008, 04:36 PM	#30
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,299 Trader Rating: (0)	So you didn't hire them? That last sentence is a bit misleading. But, then you support the idea of hiring them? I'm confused. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

03-17-2008, 04:43 PM	#31
Mad Hatter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 458 Trader Rating: (0)	When this story aired on Saturday, they said that the border in Texas is like a war zone. And I saw a local politician in another story (when the guy blew away the two house robbers) say the same thing, and by the way one of those guys killed had been caught and sent back to Mexico 69times. I think it is to late to stop the spread of illegals now. Our gov. will never do what needs to be done down there to stop it. Last edited by Mad Hatter; 03-17-2008 at 04:48 PM. Reason: Edit

03-17-2008, 04:54 PM	#33
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	No CI I didn't hire them I sold them a truck they wanted to tow back to mexico and then resell down in Mexico after they fixed it up a little... Perfectly legal and you see them doing it all over Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico thats what them caravans are... But it fixin to come to an end with Mexico banning the importation of the older cars and trucks now. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

03-17-2008, 04:56 PM	#34
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,299 Trader Rating: (0)	I never denied the problems which existed prior to the immigration problem. I said we had our problems...but, allowing the immigration of illegals has added to the problems exponentially. As far as your argument...2 wrongs don't make a right. Take the problems you have and minimize them, which to do that, would have been to stop the influx of Mexican gangstas and hoodlums and illegal immigrants in general. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me Last edited by CrazyIvan; 03-17-2008 at 05:00 PM.

03-17-2008, 05:09 PM	#36
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,183 Trader Rating: (0)	Over 6 Billion dollars a year Drain on US !!! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!