Insanely stupid FBI Tactic

Coeloptera · 03-20-2008, 06:51 PM

FBI posts fake hyperlinks to snare child porn suspects | The Iconoclast - politics, law, and technology - CNET News.com

This was a link posted on Fark.

"The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them."

If you know anything about computers, you'll understand just how dangerous this is.

So...who here knows what NetBus is, or a browser hijack? How about pre-fetch?

"A CNET News.com review of legal documents shows that courts have approved of this technique, even though it raises questions about entrapment, the problems of identifying who's using an open wireless connection--and whether anyone who clicks on a FBI link that contains no child pornography should be automatically subject to a dawn raid by federal police."

The courts obviously know nothing about technology.

This repulses me. It's disgusting the FBI can even try something like this, let alone get it going. The ability to ruin an innocent person's life from a distance is now in the hands of every nasty script kiddy in the world.

Of course you could just send out spam email with links and misleading hypertext. Or hijack a DNS server.

But you want to see something really scary? (Taken from the Fark thread).

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That's what.

We already have more people in prison than any other country on Earth, both in raw numbers and proportion. What is wrong here?

- Coeloptera

alaskamonte · 03-20-2008, 07:00 PM

Wrong, I DID NOT INTENTIONALLY CLICK A LINK SEARCHING FOR CHILD PORN!!!

Have you?

Brother Bob · 03-20-2008, 07:03 PM

Not that computer saavy, but I do know that if you pull up White House.com you end up on a porn site! That's just wrong! I believe they may have dropped the porn recently, but not before my youngest daughter found it while doing a school project years ago.

LarryO1970 · 03-20-2008, 07:06 PM

Can anyone say "entrapment" ? This is exactly by definition... the action of luring an individual into committing a crime in order to prosecute the person for it.

Illegal, plain and simple.

soonerborn · 03-20-2008, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alaskamonte

Wrong, I DID NOT INTENTIONALLY CLICK A LINK SEARCHING FOR CHILD PORN!!!

Have you?

You miss the point. You dont have to click the link if say for instance you get a BHO hijack and it is designed to seek out those links and download them to your computer. This is extremely easy to mask and make it appear as if you actually were searching for kiddie porn and clicking on the links. There are numerous ways a script kiddie could smack you upside the head with a FBI raid.

Rye-man · 03-20-2008, 08:53 PM

Ya but did you guys see this story? FBI gets sued for entrapment

Mooseman684 · 03-20-2008, 09:53 PM

That was NOT Funny....

Coeloptera · 03-20-2008, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rye-man

Ya but did you guys see this story? FBI gets sued for entrapment

I recall saying something about...misleading hypertext, was it?

This is the problem.

This is a RickRoll that can get the feds on you.

Going into a chatroom and trolling for guys while pretending to be 13 is one thing. This is quite another. I'm wondering though, why did this plan pass muster and get enacted? This has the potential to cast the net shockingly wide. If someone really wants to, they could get a botnet to send literally thousands of computers to these sites.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but the potential for abuse from the government's side is also huge. It's not an impossible thing to get someone's computer redirected, then subpoena their harddrive for something they really want.

Too, too ugly in a legal sense. This won't stand for long. I wonder if the ACLU knows, yet?

- Coeloptera

Rye-man · 03-20-2008, 10:03 PM

Yep I totally agree with you Coeloptera. That is the only reason I made my previous post is just to show how stinking easy it would be for someone to get duped. That took me a whole of 2 minutes and by tomorrow night using google analytics I will be able to tell you roughly who all clicked on it (except for those in the first 10-15min. because I didn't think of adding tracking to it till later). And I'm just a technically dummy.

Sorry Mooseman

GDawg · 03-20-2008, 10:09 PM

Hey... be driving a friend that has more pot on him/her that you know of... if the cops stop you and they find it, your car gets impounded and sold out from under your ass without you having any rights...

Join up to stop this...

Zephri · 03-20-2008, 11:29 PM

wow, it'd be really easy to use this against them, like planning in advanced for an armed raid with booby traps. knock knock.. fbi open up!!!!!.... warning this house will self destruct in.....5...4...3...2...1....stupid!!!

troy2000 · 03-20-2008, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

That was NOT Funny....

Then why am I laughing...

03-20-2008, 06:51 PM	#1
Coeloptera Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,561	Insanely stupid FBI Tactic FBI posts fake hyperlinks to snare child porn suspects \| The Iconoclast - politics, law, and technology - CNET News.com This was a link posted on Fark. "The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them." If you know anything about computers, you'll understand just how dangerous this is. So...who here knows what NetBus is, or a browser hijack? How about pre-fetch? "A CNET News.com review of legal documents shows that courts have approved of this technique, even though it raises questions about entrapment, the problems of identifying who's using an open wireless connection--and whether anyone who clicks on a FBI link that contains no child pornography should be automatically subject to a dawn raid by federal police." The courts obviously know nothing about technology. This repulses me. It's disgusting the FBI can even try something like this, let alone get it going. The ability to ruin an innocent person's life from a distance is now in the hands of every nasty script kiddy in the world. Of course you could just send out spam email with links and misleading hypertext. Or hijack a DNS server. But you want to see something really scary? (Taken from the Fark thread). ... ... ... ... That's what. We already have more people in prison than any other country on Earth, both in raw numbers and proportion. What is wrong here? - Coeloptera

03-20-2008, 07:06 PM	#4
LarryO1970 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 5,608 Blog Entries: 1	Can anyone say "entrapment" ? This is exactly by definition... the action of luring an individual into committing a crime in order to prosecute the person for it. Illegal, plain and simple. __________________ Give the GOV a harumph !

03-20-2008, 08:53 PM	#6
Rye-man Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 168	Ya but did you guys see this story? FBI gets sued for entrapment __________________ "A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington Last edited by Rye-man; 03-20-2008 at 08:55 PM.

03-20-2008, 09:53 PM	#7
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,316 Images: 2	That was NOT Funny.... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-20-2008, 10:03 PM	#9
Rye-man Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 168	Yep I totally agree with you Coeloptera. That is the only reason I made my previous post is just to show how stinking easy it would be for someone to get duped. That took me a whole of 2 minutes and by tomorrow night using google analytics I will be able to tell you roughly who all clicked on it (except for those in the first 10-15min. because I didn't think of adding tracking to it till later). And I'm just a technically dummy. Sorry Mooseman __________________ "A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington Last edited by Rye-man; 03-20-2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason: because

03-20-2008, 07:00 PM	#2
alaskamonte Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 165	Wrong, I DID NOT INTENTIONALLY CLICK A LINK SEARCHING FOR CHILD PORN!!! Have you?

03-20-2008, 07:03 PM	#3
Brother Bob Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 5,651 Blog Entries: 3	Not that computer saavy, but I do know that if you pull up White House.com you end up on a porn site! That's just wrong! I believe they may have dropped the porn recently, but not before my youngest daughter found it while doing a school project years ago.

03-20-2008, 10:09 PM	#10
GDawg Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Not in Colorado... anymore... Posts: 989	Hey... be driving a friend that has more pot on him/her that you know of... if the cops stop you and they find it, your car gets impounded and sold out from under your ass without you having any rights... Join up to stop this...

03-20-2008, 11:29 PM	#11
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,210 Blog Entries: 6	wow, it'd be *really* easy to use this against them, like planning in advanced for an armed raid with booby traps. knock knock.. fbi open up!!!!!.... warning this house will self destruct in.....5...4...3...2...1....stupid!!! __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!"