good idea or floppy idea???

[tommy]

tell me if this is possible to convert a semiauto ak over to a full auto ak useing the same reciever? now the reason i am asking is if they do pass the awb bam if someone was a gun smith and could do it and had the money to invest they could buy up a boatload of ak's at 300.00 a piece and then after the ban passes convert them over and sell then at a few thousand the same goes with any gun. am i right?

[billy]

what?
no we cant own automatic rifles without the proper license EVER!

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by billy

what?
no we cant own automatic rifles without the proper license EVER!

I wonder if the coming Supreme Court decision might change that?

Of course, you are absolutely correct right now. If I remember correctly, it'll get you 7 years in the Federal Pen.

[tommy]

no billy thats not what i'm asking what i'm asking is would it be a good investment to buy up alot of semi autos and get a class3 lisence and take a gun smith class and convert the recievers over to fulleyauto and make a huge profit. thats what i'm asking i know us as a reular person without a class3 canot own a fully auto gun . i was wondering if the reciever is capable of being converted would it be a good investment . i see one semi auto selling for 379.00 and the same gun that is fully auto selling for 11k now if i had a lisence and and took some gunsmith classes and bought a bunch of them and a bunch of parts i could make a bunch of money if it's possible right. or is converting the gun just plain ilegal??whether you have a lisence or not??

now remember i am talking about selling them to class three lisence holders after they are converted.

[Chris]

That would be a Class 2 Manuf. License, a Class 3 to buy/sell.
Also, if the AWB is put into play...you have a very expensive gun....that most local law enforcement won't sign off on you owning
You can't make a firearm full-auto that is made after 1986...

[tommy]

sorry i didn't understand you ?? break it down for me .

Originally Posted by Chris

That That would be a Class 2 Manuf. License, a Class 3 to buy/sell.

Also, if the AWB is put into play...you have a very expensive gun....that most local law enforcement won't sign off on you owning

You can make a firearm full-auto that is made after 1986...

[Mooseman684]

The GENERAL PUBLIC can NOT own a Machine gun manufactured after 1986...
Only Law Enforcement / or Government entities can purchase them. A class 2 Manufacturer can build a Dealer Sample, but It can Never be sold to an Individual...That is why you see guns listed as either "Fully Transferable" or Dealer Samples Only...
This 1986 Law is what drove the price of Machine guns out of reach of most people...There are only a limited amount in the Registry !
Rich

[Big Dog]

Moose is right on! Totally illegal for the unwashed masses, since 1986. That's one big reason that FA's are so danged spendy! A finite supply of transferable weapons.

[tommy]

ok i got it now.so a gun that i buy now no matter what lisebse i have i still can't convert it and sell it on the open market.

[lefty o]

not unless you like prison showers!!!

[tommy]

ok i got it i was just wondering . i don't wanna break no laws .i figured it was to good to be true of a day dream.lol

[Seabeescotty]

Lotsa folks thought about it, Tommy, but prison walls convinced them that it wasn't a good idea. By the way, howdy! Been away for awhile, and it's good to be back!

[tommy]

howdy to you too . i hope all you guys/gals had a good easter and a good-goodfriday

[TXplt]

Also, unless you're in a real war, a full auto weapon (unless just shooting it for sheer fun) in my humble opinion has very little utility or advantage over its semi-auto brother.

[tommy]

i really have no use for a fully auto weapon. i couldn't afford the ammo plus i have a very fast finger so why spend the money to get a class3 and the money for the weapon ?i rather a semiauto to me a fully auto weapon in a regular guys hands is nuthin but a bragging gun of hey look what i got.

[sell33]

Very true, i can shoot fast enough with semi if i have to. if i need to put a lot of lead somewhere in a hurry i'll do it auto or not

[bored2bhere]

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

The GENERAL PUBLIC can NOT own a Machine gun manufactured after 1986...
Only Law Enforcement / or Government entities can purchase them. A class 2 Manufacturer can build a Dealer Sample, but It can Never be sold to an Individual...That is why you see guns listed as either "Fully Transferable" or Dealer Samples Only...
This 1986 Law is what drove the price of Machine guns out of reach of most people...There are only a limited amount in the Registry !
Rich

can you own a machinegun after 1986 if you have a lisence ?

[tommy]

i have a buddy who has a class 3 i'll ask him and see how old his guns are.

[bored2bhere]

thanks i was just wondering ive seen machine guns at knob creek range on tv that didnt look that old

[BattleRifleG3]

Ok, here's the breakdown of the machinegun laws:
In 1932 the NFA restricted them in the same class as short barreled rifles, shotguns, silencers, AOWs, and such. You had to pay a $200 transfer tax for each purchase or private build and register them before the purchase/build. This is still the only federal gun registration. The NICS is not registration, only a background check. It is illegal to store NICS records, which doesn't mean it isn't being done, but the NICS doesn't know what you have, only your dealer does, unless his records are inspected and transcribed.

In 1986, a law was passed making it illegal to register any more machineguns under the NFA. Like the '94 AW ban, you could still transfer ones that were already in civilian hands, and exceptions were made for LE and manufacturers/dealers for LE. So prices on existing guns skyrocketed. In 1986, an M16 would cost about $500 to make and $200 to register. In 2008 it will probably cost about $10,000 to buy and $200 more to transfer.

Full auto AKs are only available to military/LE and can be bought from licensed full auto dealers at prices reflecting manufacturing and importing, just like our guns. So a new full auto AK would cost a police department about as much as a semi-auto AK to us.

Originally Posted by bored2bhere

thanks i was just wondering ive seen machine guns at knob creek range on tv that didnt look that old

That may be related to what part is registered as the machinegun. In ARs and some HKs it's the sear. So you can put the registered transferrable part in a new gun. Prices will be just as bad, but you would have a new gun to use it in. You can also swap uppers in the AR-15 family.

Also, if you have an irreplaceable $10,000 gun, you'll probably want to treat it pretty darn well, so some old guns will look pretty new. That and a number of guns at machinegun shoots are probably owned by licensed dealers who pay a premium for their license but can then buy the guns at decent prices. Then all they have to worry about is ammo.