Free Tuition for illegals

[Windwalker]

Tuition deal for illegals is back

One would hope with the economy tanking, the state budget just under the spending cap, the projected surplus looking like it wants to become a deficit and the legislature's budget office projecting red ink for the next few fiscal years, Democratic lawmakers would be more circumspect about larding up the 2008-09 budget.

But prudence isn't in their nature. Senate Majority Leader Martin Looney, D-New Haven, wants the children of illegal immigrants attending state community colleges to pay the same tuition as legal residents. Meanwhile, Rep. Felipe Reinoso, D-Bridgeport, seeks to give that break to illegals attending any state public college and university. If the latter bill becomes law, the taxpayer-funded reward for being in this country illegally could be as high as $60,000 over four years, on top of the free education the children of illegals got from Connecticut's public schools.

This was a bad idea last year when Gov. M. Jodi Rell vetoed a bill similar to Rep. Reinoso's. Residents overwhelmingly opposed that measure because it would have violated the 14th Amendment and the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 by giving illegals public benefits unavailable to U.S. citizens. It would have permitted illegals to enroll at a state college or university at the expense of Connecticut or U.S. citizens whose tax dollars underwrite the costs of public higher education. It would have encouraged even more illegals to migrate to Connecticut to take advantage of yet another taxpayer-funded benefit to which they never should be entitled. It would have poured more public money into the bloated higher-ed industry, thereby adding to the inflation that has seen the price of a college education in America triple in inflation-adjusted dollars in the last 25 years.

Those facts are unchanged. In vetoing the bill passed in 2007, Gov. Rell said she sympathized with the students but could not get past the fact they are in this country illegally. (Actually, they now are adults and could be sent back to their country of origin.) Gov. Rell's first responsibility is to the people and taxpayers of Connecticut. To that end, she should anticipate the Democrats sending her a tuition-break bill for illegals by ensuring her veto pen is full of ink.
This article is from The Republican-American.

[KGunner]

Wow. Thank God I am paying $20,000+ a year at a public university while criminals are being welcomed with open arms for free. Being a white middle class male is not as easy as it looks I guess.

[CrazyIvan]

It is both amazing and appalling that illegals can get away with things in this country that Americans can not. This deal, too, is stupid beyond belief.

[TexasT]

Are you back now WW?

[rugernut]

i work a full time job to pay for school
and i have almost completly quit school because i had a baby

but i guess most of these illiagals are on wellfare so not only do they make more money for each child they have but now they want free tuition

talk about giveing you a case of the red ass

[KGunner]

I work part time and that barely covers my living expenses so I take out loans each year to pay for school...3 years in and well over $100k including interest. And then when I get out and search for a job in my studied field I will be lowest on the list, because I am not a minority, or a woman. No offense to either, but the time for preferential treatment based on sex or race should end BOTH WAYS!

[Cyrano]

The operant word here is "illegal." If these students are in fact illegal aliens, they ought to be rounded up and expelled from the country, to say nothing about any school they might be in! American college students are scratching like fury trying to come up with the money to pay for college, programs that help them are being cut or discontinued all the time by both states and the federal government, and these idiot legislators want to give ILLEGAL ALIENS preferential treatment? What's wrong with this picture?

Thank God Jodi Rell has better sense than the idjits in the Connecticut legislature. Now she's a woman I could get behind for President. She first got the job when her predecessor got caught with his hand in the till, but since has been elected in her own right. She's a Repbulican governor in an overwhelmingly Democratic state, and yet she's popular with the people of Connecticut and both parties because she does what's good for Connecticut, not just for her. (Taking notes, Slick Hillary?)

Seriously, though. We need to amend the laws on citizenship to do away with the "anchor baby," "legacy child," call the concept what you will, that rationalizes not deporting illegal aliens. Illegal is illegal. I really think that's the consituency those morons in the legislature are trying to 'help,' but something has to be done for the American kids born here of American citizen parents!

When Caucasian kids are being discriminated against in the name of racial equality and a balanced student body in favor of minorities who are not as well qualified - and don't jump on me now; I know some minorities are as well qualified, but I also know others not as qualified only get in on quota, and that's just wrong and it's what I am objecting to - and financial aid is partly determined by ethnicity rather than need, it's not fair to exalt illegal aliens over native-borns regardless of the native-borns' ethnicity. Can't we take care of our own first instead of worrying about everyone else for a change?

Personally, I am in favor of a double blind meritocratic approach to college admissions, where the admissions officers can't tell gender, ethnicity, how many generations your family has been American, or whether you are the child of a grad. You might not be able to impose that standard on schools like Harvard and Yale and Columbia, but you surely can on public colleges and universities! If the Yankee gummint can threaten to cut off all their Federal aid if they don't fund women's sports to the same degree as men's sports (which they did a few years back, and it worked), they could do the same to any school that refused to shift to double blind admissions.

A college education is a ticket to a better life in America. But that does not give any legislature the right to write free tickets for illegal aliens and their offspring, when native-born Americans are being denied the ability to buy that ticket. American benefits are supposed to be for American citizens, not for illegal aliens!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled dialogue.

[nathangdad]

Why pander to the illegals? If you or I went to a foreign
country illegally do you think we would get benefits equal to
their citizens? How about the benefit of a one way ticket out
of the U.S.?

[BaserRonin]

Cyrano: I believe the concept of The Anchor Baby is largely a myth. This is based on the 14'th amendment, and has been repeatedly argued. It falls under the same type of mis-interpretation as the 2'nd amendment argument in my opinion. An illegal immigrant mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her child. This is just another issue that we are spending tax dollars on arguing in the courts, which should be a non-issue anyway IMO.

A quick search on "Anchor Baby Myth" or some such combination should yield pretty quick research material.


If you want to get a quick blood-pressure spike, take a quick look at how much it costs to put illegal aliens through public school. Then adding benefits for college on top of that is...well, it ought to be illegal.
Costs of Educating Legal & Illegal Immigrants

[Mad Hatter]

Thats why I have to get out of this state !!!!

[GlockMeister]

I can only express how this makes me feel in this way.



And so on.

Maybe we should have a protest? Maybe we should cause traffic jams and delays to express our disgust? Maybe we should let our politicians know we, the citizens that vote them in and out of office, are tired of this crap and if they continue to cater to the illegals and criminals alike, they will NO longer be in office!!!

[ArkansasHunter]

This is it, in a nut shell, the powers that be in Washington D.C are sold out to business.
Business wants these illegals where bussiness want have to pay them decent wages and No benefits.

I feel like I'm dieing a slow death when I read Threads like this one, I feel at a loss because theres nothing I can do.

Those bastards in Washington care more about illegals than they do us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What can we do, don't say votenm out there not all up for re-election.

I'm about to have a stroke over this, I've got to move on ...A.H

EDIT: I know it's wrong for a Christian to say this but I sure would like to take my BIG fist and BUST a few Congressmans faces in until they saw the light !

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by Mad Hatter

Thats why I have to get out of this state !!!!

Trust me Mad Hatter, it isn't just in your state. It's all over the flipping country.

I'm not sure if anyone is or was ever aware of this or not. I'm also not sure if it (this sign I speak of below) is still there. There was a recent ordinance voted in, in this city that allows the police to deport illegals if they are arrested and have a criminal record, something like that. First off, why did that have to be even voted in, should be a law no matter what every where. Anyhow, it was voted into this cities ordinance this past year.

But what I'm getting to is this. My cousin took a trip to Mexico sometime back. She took a picture of it as proof. So again, not sure if anyone else has ever seen it or knows of it. But the town she was in had a sign telling Mexicans to go to Waukegan, Illinois. I'm guessing because they cater to them. So again, maybe since that new ordinance I spoke of was passed, maybe the sign is now gone? Who knows. I'll see if I can get my cousin to email me or send me a copy of that picture. I'll post it if and when I get it.

My point in posting this is this, they know where to go to get the most from our Government. They talk to each other and tell each other where to go and how to work the system. What they have to do to live off of US!!!

Why does anyone think they get pregnant in Mexico, and then just when they are ready to pop, come here and have the dam kid. Because then that kid is a citizen of the U.S.... THIS IS ONE RULE THAT NEEDS TO FLIPPING GET CHANGED AND CHANGED AND NOW!!! Because as you know it then allows or entitles that dam kid, and the parent/s to get welfare and medical.

It has to stop and we the people have to let the politicians know if they don't stop this crap, we'll vote them out and vote someone if that will. And if that person doesn't take care of the problem, we'll keep voting them out and a knew one in until someone does take care of these problems!!!

[roadie]

So why is it with all these things happening that there are no protests/marches/movements...I would happily join one if one existed. It seems we all are unhappy about these things, but what are we doing about it? If we don't complain on a massive scale the government won't do anything about it...we the people need to speak up...loudly!

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by BaserRonin

Cyrano: I believe the concept of The Anchor Baby is largely a myth. This is based on the 14'th amendment, and has been repeatedly argued. It falls under the same type of mis-interpretation as the 2'nd amendment argument in my opinion. An illegal immigrant mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her child. This is just another issue that we are spending tax dollars on arguing in the courts, which should be a non-issue anyway IMO.

Respectfully, I must disagree, BaserRonin. The concept of the Anchor Baby, despite the politically correct types' hatred of the term, is on point. An American citizen with family outside the country has a priority over immigrants with permanent residence in bringing their family members to the United States and obtaining permanent residence for them. The laws are intended to allow adult naturalized Americans to bring their families here so they can become Americans too. Butthat's not how the illegals are working it.

The 14th Amendment is not the only law on this point. The case of US v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898 established a Supreme Court precedent that a child born of non-citizens of the United States is born an American IF - and it's a pretty big IF - his parents are foreign nationals, who have a permanent home here, who are not members of a foreign diplomatic corps or carrying on the business of a foreign nation, but who are conducting business (which presumably includes labor) in the United States. It was intended to smack down some of the anti-Oriental laws of the time. It's why we had a whole pile of Nisei in Hawaii and on the West Coast in World War II. The parents (the Isei) weren't American citizens, they were still Japanese nationals; but they lived and worked here, owned houses, rented property, ran businesses. They were resident aliens. They met the detailed criteria set by Wong Kim Ark.

It's different with anchor babies. The Supreme Court has never ruled on their specific condition, being born in America of parents not in the United States legally, who do not meet all of the criteria laid down by Wong Kim Ark. It is assumed that the anchor babies are Americans by virtue of jus soli, by being born on American soil. That's what was established by the 14th Amendment, as clarified by Wong Kim Ark in 1898. But unlike the parents in the Wong Kim Ark case, the parents often don't have permanent residences or conduct business here that would cause them to pay taxes, which might give them some legitimacy in the eyes of the law. Even if the parents did otherwise meet the criteria of US v. Wong Kim Ark, the parents in the Wong Kim Ark case were here legally. It is possible that the English Common Law doctrine of "the fruit of the poisonous tree" might be more on point than Wong Kim Ark.

In the past 10 years, there have been bills proposed to seriously modify the application of the 14th Amendment, so that in order for a child to qualify for citizenship, at least one of the parents must be an American citizen. The precedent is of an American-citizen mother giving birth outside the United States; her child is automatically a US citizen. There is also the rarely-invoked law that permits an American who fathers a child out of wedlock to acknowledge his bastard before the kid's 18th birthday, pay child support, and prove by "blood evidence" (which in this day and age means DNA evidence) that the kid is actually his.

However, none of these bills has even made it out of committee for debate. Neither have proposals for a Constitutional amendment to clarify the 14th Amendment by specifying at least one parent must be an American citizen in order for a child to be an American citizen by birthright.

I fee that as jus soli is currently being abused, it is a loophole in our immigration laws that needs to be seriously examined and/or eliminated. The 14th Amendment was intended to clarify the status of children of foreign nationals intending to become American citizens, not provide specious grounds for tolerating illegal aliens in our culture. There's a big difference between legal and illegal. And I do believe that "the fruit of the poisonous tree" is on point in the debate, just as Wong Kim Ark is.

[ezearln]

Excuse me I have watched Texas school buses cross over the international border into Mexico to pick up these anchor babies ENTITLED to a public school education and haul them kids to the appropriate public school because they were entitled under U.S. law to a PUBLIC education even though they actually reside in a mexican border town but were born in the U.S. and I have seen Mexican nationals using WIC vouchers because they had babies who were born in the U.S. Now dang it it's far past time we addressed this and fixed it. We have enough users and do nothings of our own we don't need to adopt anydamedmore from Mexico!

[Windwalker]

[quote=ArkansasHunter;459858]This is it, in a nut shell, the powers that be in Washington D.C are sold out to business.
Business wants these illegals where bussiness want have to pay them decent wages and No benefits.

I feel like I'm dieing a slow death when I read Threads like this one, I feel at a loss because theres nothing I can do.

Those bastards in Washington care more about illegals than they do us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What can we do, don't say votenm out there not all up for re-election.
A.H. I believe Mooseman said it in one of his posts that 545 elected officials run our government and they work for us, We the People. If they are not heeding our wishes then vote them out and elect some who will do their constituents wishes. You are right A.H. they are not all up for election now but vote these out that are up for election now and the others as they come up for reelection. Get some who will vote for two term limits for all elected offices. We don't need professional politicians.

[KGunner]

If US History can show us anything it is that when the government moves to a more liberal agenda there is a large conservative backlash. That backlash however never reverses the liberal advances, and we are left with a large remnant. It is like taking two steps back and 1 and a half steps forward, eventually we are going to fall right into the shitter and have to dig ourselves out. This is bound to happen, as it has happened to every civilization ever, but only a few have managed to climb out. With the way things are headed, this conservative backlash is just a few years off.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by KGunner

Wow. Thank God I am paying $20,000+ a year at a public university while criminals are being welcomed with open arms for free. Being a white middle class male is not as easy as it looks I guess.

If you are paying 20k per a year I hope you are getting an education that will you quadruple that when you get out!

I went to a private college and I only paid like 13k per a year and I thought that was freaking expensive

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by TexasT

Are you back now WW?

Yeh TT, I'm back. Thanks to you and everyone for the prayers.