I am in need of some advice - Page 4

billy · 03-28-2008, 05:32 PM

quote;I don't care if people use it, but don't expect me to pay for you if it causes you problems and don't bother me with the fumes it causes.unquote

THATS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY!
thank you.

LarryO1970 · 03-28-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by genwinters

yeah i pretty much just said take the drugs or my friendship and he told me to buzz off

A true friend would never have given that ultimatum. True friends stay close through life's trials and tribulations... not just during the easier times.

Years down the road... of those friends you have now, the true friends will still stick with you.

Friends come and go... it's a simple fact of life.

CrazyIvan · 03-28-2008, 05:38 PM

...and if someone is willing to give up a friend for the ability to get high, then you can see how important the friendship was to that person.

tlarkin · 03-28-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

...and if someone is willing to give up a friend for the ability to get high, then you can see how important the friendship was to that person.

Yeah but teenagers are dumb. I was one once and I did dumb things. I say let it lie for a bit and play it by ear.

CrazyIvan · 03-28-2008, 05:52 PM

how many people here who have gone through college, made a life, family, etc...still have a friend from high school?

I went through college and still have 1 friend from high school. He, nor I, ever did drugs.

The fact is, most people who you call friends when you are a teenager are lost anyway, so why put such effort into being their friend if they are not receptive?

LarryO1970 · 03-28-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

how many people here who have gone through college, made a life, family, etc...still have a friend from high school?

I went through college and still have 1 friend from high school. He, nor I, ever did drugs.

The fact is, most people who you call friends when you are a teenager are lost anyway, so why put such effort into being their friend if they are not receptive?

Being 37 years old... there is only one true friend I still have, we grew up together. Everyone else is a faceless name in the past... moving on with their own lives.

Likewise Ivan, he, nor I, ever did drugs.

It is what it is ...

samuel · 03-28-2008, 06:03 PM

I have little enough to work with in brain power without screwing it up with drugs,including alcohol and pot. sam.

billy · 03-28-2008, 06:08 PM

im a straight arrow by default.
i dont like being impaired.

mitch_mckee · 03-28-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent Shooter

Better look again...

Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

See that underlined word? The greek (original language) word used there is "φαρμακεύς" or the english transliteration of it is "pharmakeus" and is defined as drugs or one who uses them to enter into an altered state of mind. It is where we get the modern day word for "pharmacy".

How do you know that MY Bible even has a chapter called Revelations?

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Originally Posted by lorcin25

So people can hurt others as long as it doesnt affect you??? I'm sorry but that is a sad way to view life.

Oh, should we try to regulate everything anyone can do that may possibly injure someone else?

Sounds like the same logic the gun grabbers use.

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

...and if someone is willing to give up a friend for the ability to get high, then you can see how important the friendship was to that person.

No. He is giving up a friend because that friend insists that he not get high.

KGunner · 03-28-2008, 08:24 PM

I smoke grass, semi-regularly a few times a week when all my stuff from that day is done. Why? I don't know. Its not because I'm stressed out, or looking for an escape or some other irrational explanation I've read here. Its probably because I enjoy it and my friends and I enjoy it. For me I guess it is a social thing. When I'm high I don't do anything stupid, I sit there and watch TV mostly, or write stuff or longboard around Fort Collins and take pictures, just whatever I want, its my down time. I'm a good student, with a job which requires a lot of responsibility and dedication (I tutor for Larimer County's GED program), I'm a good kid, hell I never even had a detention all through high school, never been arrested. But I smoke weed, and I do not feel guilty at all about it. I've never done anything stupid while I'm high, like I have when I'm drunk. And I used to be against weed more than some people in this thread. Then I tried it, and the "after school special" warnings that I grew up with were exposed as complete lies.

billy · 03-29-2008, 06:38 AM

all things in moderation.
eh KGUNNER?

sorcerers?
there goes anything else you ever have an opinion on right down the tube.

wunhunglo · 03-29-2008, 06:49 AM

In my industry, if you test positive in a dope test, you're considered a dope and to my mind, rightly Fired.
Industry statistics (???) prove that you are more likely to be involved in an accident if you are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs.

billy · 03-29-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

In my industry, if you test positive in a dope test, you're considered a dope and to my mind, rightly Fired.
Industry statistics (???) prove that you are more likely to be involved in an accident if you are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs.

absolutely!

Wingwiper · 03-29-2008, 07:37 AM

Wow! I read all of the posts and I find it hard to believe that so many who are speaking against POT also claim to have NEVER used it or rather they are implying.

I used it quite a bit when I got off of Avtive Duty and did so for several years and then when I had kids and went back in the Service, I gave it up. No addictions, no side effects, no nothing. POT gets you high but so doesn't Sex. Whoops! Siltzer found that out.. If it feels good it is probably ILLEGAL.

You don't need to follow OUR advice, for there are Pros and Cons in everything, you need to decide whether your friend is WORTH fighting for, if he is, then by all means vocie your concerns, then leave it at that. If he isn't worth your effort, then neither one of you were really friends. YOU need to decide, we can't do that for you. To me POT isn't all that bad and I never did anything harder than pot. I find it hard to believe that so many from the 60s and 70s are now speaking against their ole friend.
Let him know you prefer for him to not smoke in your prensence, if it bothers you.

tlarkin · 03-29-2008, 01:59 PM

wow a lot of you don't have life long friends? I have had a friend I have known since kindergarden. All my best friends I have known for half my life and we still are friends and we still hang out and talk all the time.

I went to a wedding last night actually, my friend and one of my old roommates got married. At the wedding every person there was either a good friend I have had for over a decade if not more, or family of that friend.

If smoking pot you think will ruin your friendship to me, that is well kind of shallow, and if he is truly a best friend it should be a non issue. Unless, it affects his life in a such a negative way that he should stop. Pot is pretty harmless compared to cigarettes or booze. Do some research, educate yourself on the subject, learn what you can and then come back to the table and just talk to your friend.

Having life long friends is great. They are actually all my brothers if you really want to look at it that way. I mean I know I can call them with any problem no matter what and they will help me best they can no matter what regardless. That kind of friendship takes a long time to develop, and my friends and I have had that relationship for over a decade, some of them for over 20 years even.

samuel · 03-29-2008, 03:36 PM

Pot is not harmless!Any drug that controls you instead of letting you have your own decisions,including alcohol is harmful.Some say it only hurts me but the truth is,it effects everyone around you.Any time you turn your life over to a mindles,unfeeling,uncaring chemical,you and everyone involved is a loser,unless your friends leave you alone and let you fall on your face,or destroy yourself.Make all of the excuses why you should be controled including medicine,but the truth is if you indulge,you are admitting you are too weak to face life on your own,without a crutch/drugs. sam.

genwinters · 03-29-2008, 04:02 PM

well him smoking pot then driving is not safe, no matter how you cut that its not safe. well this isnt the only thing, its kind of a tipping point

LarryO1970 · 03-29-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by genwinters

well him smoking pot then driving is not safe, no matter how you cut that its not safe. well this isnt the only thing, its kind of a tipping point

Not only is it unsafe... but it is illegal.

Triggerjerk · 03-29-2008, 04:16 PM

Well...this is interesting. I have read your public profile, genwinters. You are a student, so probably young. And Jesus is one of your interests, so you probably have Christian moral values.

You and your friends are at an age where you will make important life decisions. Unfortunately, many of the decisions made by others will not fall in line with your way of thinking and behaving. I learned my lessons about drugs, alcohol, getting girls pregnant, etc., by watching my peers fall. If you are smart, you will too.

However, decisions need to be made by individuals. Your friend accused you of preaching to him. Do you? Be honest with yourself. Most people do not want to be saved, either from themselves and their vices or from other sins. If they wanted to be saved, there is a church on every corner.

My advice is to associate with peers that are like you, and share your moral standards. I would not advise you to interfere with the decisions of others. If you do, it will be a long and very frustrating haul for you, and you will alienate many people. Let this friend go. Let him asssociate with others like him. You associate with others like you.

genwinters · 03-29-2008, 06:23 PM

I am not the preaching type, i do go around cramming it down peoples throats, i barely even talk about it. I think he is referencing me giving him advice which he asks for then doesnt take. he talks about saving other people from what he is doing, very hypocritical. I have already let him go, I have my future marine buddies to hang out with.

03-28-2008, 05:32 PM	#61
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,226 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	quote;I don't care if people use it, but don't expect me to pay for you if it causes you problems and don't bother me with the fumes it causes.unquote THATS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY! thank you. __________________

03-28-2008, 05:38 PM	#63
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,366	...and if someone is willing to give up a friend for the ability to get high, then you can see how important the friendship was to that person. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

03-28-2008, 05:52 PM	#65
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,366	how many people here who have gone through college, made a life, family, etc...still have a friend from high school? I went through college and still have 1 friend from high school. He, nor I, ever did drugs. The fact is, most people who you call friends when you are a teenager are lost anyway, so why put such effort into being their friend if they are not receptive? __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

03-28-2008, 06:08 PM	#68
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,226 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	im a straight arrow by default. i dont like being impaired. __________________

03-29-2008, 06:38 AM	#71
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,226 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	all things in moderation. eh KGUNNER? sorcerers? there goes anything else you ever have an opinion on right down the tube. __________________ Last edited by billy; 03-29-2008 at 06:39 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-28-2008, 06:03 PM	#67
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	I have little enough to work with in brain power without screwing it up with drugs,including alcohol and pot. sam.

03-28-2008, 08:24 PM	#70
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 440	I smoke grass, semi-regularly a few times a week when all my stuff from that day is done. Why? I don't know. Its not because I'm stressed out, or looking for an escape or some other irrational explanation I've read here. Its probably because I enjoy it and my friends and I enjoy it. For me I guess it is a social thing. When I'm high I don't do anything stupid, I sit there and watch TV mostly, or write stuff or longboard around Fort Collins and take pictures, just whatever I want, its my down time. I'm a good student, with a job which requires a lot of responsibility and dedication (I tutor for Larimer County's GED program), I'm a good kid, hell I never even had a detention all through high school, never been arrested. But I smoke weed, and I do not feel guilty at all about it. I've never done anything stupid while I'm high, like I have when I'm drunk. And I used to be against weed more than some people in this thread. Then I tried it, and the "after school special" warnings that I grew up with were exposed as complete lies.

03-29-2008, 06:49 AM	#72
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 1,660	In my industry, if you test positive in a dope test, you're considered a dope and to my mind, rightly Fired. Industry statistics (???) prove that you are more likely to be involved in an accident if you are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs.

03-29-2008, 07:37 AM	#74
Wingwiper Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 789	Wow! I read all of the posts and I find it hard to believe that so many who are speaking against POT also claim to have NEVER used it or rather they are implying. I used it quite a bit when I got off of Avtive Duty and did so for several years and then when I had kids and went back in the Service, I gave it up. No addictions, no side effects, no nothing. POT gets you high but so doesn't Sex. Whoops! Siltzer found that out.. If it feels good it is probably ILLEGAL. You don't need to follow OUR advice, for there are Pros and Cons in everything, you need to decide whether your friend is WORTH fighting for, if he is, then by all means vocie your concerns, then leave it at that. If he isn't worth your effort, then neither one of you were really friends. YOU need to decide, we can't do that for you. To me POT isn't all that bad and I never did anything harder than pot. I find it hard to believe that so many from the 60s and 70s are now speaking against their ole friend. Let him know you prefer for him to not smoke in your prensence, if it bothers you.

03-29-2008, 01:59 PM	#75
tlarkin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 1,589	wow a lot of you don't have life long friends? I have had a friend I have known since kindergarden. All my best friends I have known for half my life and we still are friends and we still hang out and talk all the time. I went to a wedding last night actually, my friend and one of my old roommates got married. At the wedding every person there was either a good friend I have had for over a decade if not more, or family of that friend. If smoking pot you think will ruin your friendship to me, that is well kind of shallow, and if he is truly a best friend it should be a non issue. Unless, it affects his life in a such a negative way that he should stop. Pot is pretty harmless compared to cigarettes or booze. Do some research, educate yourself on the subject, learn what you can and then come back to the table and just talk to your friend. Having life long friends is great. They are actually all my brothers if you really want to look at it that way. I mean I know I can call them with any problem no matter what and they will help me best they can no matter what regardless. That kind of friendship takes a long time to develop, and my friends and I have had that relationship for over a decade, some of them for over 20 years even.

03-29-2008, 03:36 PM	#76
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	Pot is not harmless!Any drug that controls you instead of letting you have your own decisions,including alcohol is harmful.Some say it only hurts me but the truth is,it effects everyone around you.Any time you turn your life over to a mindles,unfeeling,uncaring chemical,you and everyone involved is a loser,unless your friends leave you alone and let you fall on your face,or destroy yourself.Make all of the excuses why you should be controled including medicine,but the truth is if you indulge,you are admitting you are too weak to face life on your own,without a crutch/drugs. sam.

03-29-2008, 04:02 PM	#77
genwinters Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 309	well him smoking pot then driving is not safe, no matter how you cut that its not safe. well this isnt the only thing, its kind of a tipping point

03-29-2008, 04:16 PM	#79
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978	Well...this is interesting. I have read your public profile, genwinters. You are a student, so probably young. And Jesus is one of your interests, so you probably have Christian moral values. You and your friends are at an age where you will make important life decisions. Unfortunately, many of the decisions made by others will not fall in line with your way of thinking and behaving. I learned my lessons about drugs, alcohol, getting girls pregnant, etc., by watching my peers fall. If you are smart, you will too. However, decisions need to be made by individuals. Your friend accused you of preaching to him. Do you? Be honest with yourself. Most people do not want to be saved, either from themselves and their vices or from other sins. If they wanted to be saved, there is a church on every corner. My advice is to associate with peers that are like you, and share your moral standards. I would not advise you to interfere with the decisions of others. If you do, it will be a long and very frustrating haul for you, and you will alienate many people. Let this friend go. Let him asssociate with others like him. You associate with others like you. __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ

03-29-2008, 06:23 PM	#80
genwinters Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 309	I am not the preaching type, i do go around cramming it down peoples throats, i barely even talk about it. I think he is referencing me giving him advice which he asks for then doesnt take. he talks about saving other people from what he is doing, very hypocritical. I have already let him go, I have my future marine buddies to hang out with.