Bought a 91/30 in decent shape.After a good cleaning, decided to see if this thing shoots. The first round was jammed and the bolt would not open. After a little help upon inspection of the case I noticed a crack down the side of the brass.The second round seemed to work perfectly. The third round was again stuck in the chamber and the bolt was a bear to get open. Finally got it open with no cracks in the brass. Does this sound like a ammo problem? The ammo I purchased was wrapped in 10 packs of paper with ayellow tip ,And what looks like the number 270 on one side of the primmer and the number 48 on the other. Any feed back would be great.
While I don't have a Mosin, that type of behavior is typical of a quality control problem with the ammunition. I suggest you buy a different brand of ammo and try them.
I have never had it that sticky on the first round. I do, however, have to liberally grease my bolt up or it gets "2x4 level sticky" in a hurry. I *think I have cracked surplus brass before, but not positive on 54R. It can be thin-walled depending on where, when, etc...
If in doubt have someone check the head-space on that mama-jama for you.
Edit: to Clarify, I know I have cracked Mil Surplus cases before, just not sure if I have ever done it with 54R...
__________________
"It is useless for the sheep
to pass resolutions in favour of
vegetarianism" ~ R. W. Inge
Read sticky number one at top of the forum !! I would bet its a cleaning problem not a ammo problem and if you have to grease your bolt heavy you have a cleaning problem or worse
__________________
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers
Marion, that bolt definitely gets sticky on me If I forget to grease up the contact points. After maybe 15-20 shots I notice it starting to get sticky, and it only gets worse. It can get to the point of being nigh-unopenable before I get a hundred rounds down range. I find with a good heavy grease on the contact points I can shoot it all morning without any problems with the bolt getting sticky.
Before I get hammered on it, I have a nice bench at home to clean my guns on. Except under special circumstances I never clean at the range. I'm there to shoot, not screw around cleaning a rifle.
__________________
"It is useless for the sheep
to pass resolutions in favour of
vegetarianism" ~ R. W. Inge
Read sticky forum, But found no ammo with that kind of numbers on it?
Cleaning not AMMO
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaserRonin
Marion, that bolt definitely gets sticky on me If I forget to grease up the contact points. After maybe 15-20 shots I notice it starting to get sticky, and it only gets worse. It can get to the point of being nigh-unopenable before I get a hundred rounds down range. I find with a good heavy grease on the contact points I can shoot it all morning without any problems with the bolt getting sticky.
Before I get hammered on it, I have a nice bench at home to clean my guns on. Except under special circumstances I never clean at the range. I'm there to shoot, not screw around cleaning a rifle.
I would never hammer you on a problem !! I own a few mosins and I can tell you for sure that a sticky bolt on a mosin is not unusual.. 99 percent of the time its a cleaning or bent ejector problem but not always ..I wonder if you lift the bolt does the bolt slide back on its own if you tip rifle up?If not it should .if not it has something binding ..
__________________
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers
Please Mr Custer I dont wanna go
Last edited by marion57; 03-31-2008 at 06:12 PM.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Not knowing the conditions at the range I wonder about your sticking bolt!! did you completly dissasemble the bolt when you got the rifle??
A good portion of sticky bolt problems are solved with a simple disassembly and cleaning then lube and re install bolt while its apart check the extractor to see if its bent or hanging .. If you do all that and still have a problem then I would look for new ammo..reason for all that is if you go to the range and still have a problem with the new ammo you will wanna throw the darn thing away
__________________
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers
All of my 91/30's that I have shot, and the m44, have had their bolts thoroughly disassembled and cleaned. They are free floating and will hit the back if I leave them open and tilt the rifle towards the sky. The Surplus stuff I shoot out of them just make them very sticky very quickly; dirty stuff I guess.
Once it is "broken" free the bolt moves freely. No residual stickyness, just a pain in the butt to break open. If I don't grease those contact points it will get very hard to break free very quickly. If I do grease them, however, it opens smooth as butter long after my shoulder has stopped having fun.
Were we talking about two different problems maybe?
__________________
"It is useless for the sheep
to pass resolutions in favour of
vegetarianism" ~ R. W. Inge
Well test firing complete. The 44 performed flawlessly. After a good oiling of the 91/30, it shot great. No more problems with a sticky bolt. Thanks for all your help with an easy fix.
All of my 91/30's that I have shot, and the m44, have had their bolts thoroughly disassembled and cleaned. They are free floating and will hit the back if I leave them open and tilt the rifle towards the sky. The Surplus stuff I shoot out of them just make them very sticky very quickly; dirty stuff I guess.
Once it is "broken" free the bolt moves freely. No residual stickyness, just a pain in the butt to break open. If I don't grease those contact points it will get very hard to break free very quickly. If I do grease them, however, it opens smooth as butter long after my shoulder has stopped having fun.
Were we talking about two different problems maybe?
As cheap as surplus is it does cause some problems in 100 or so rounds .
If you have checked the bolt that thourly the pbroblem probably is in the corrosive ammo
Quote:
Originally Posted by horton5
Well test firing complete. The 44 performed flawlessly. After a good oiling of the 91/30, it shot great. No more problems with a sticky bolt. Thanks for all your help with an easy fix.
I would still dissasemble that bolt and clean it with carb cleaner and re oil it
__________________
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers
Please Mr Custer I dont wanna go
Last edited by marion57; 03-31-2008 at 06:51 PM.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Well test firing complete. The 44 performed flawlessly. After a good oiling of the 91/30, it shot great. No more problems with a sticky bolt. Thanks for all your help with an easy fix.
THREE CHEERS FOR THE MARION MEISTER!!!!
__________________
Dedicated to SwedeSteve, Arkansashunter and Ezearln. Rest in peace my friends.
I will take the 91/30 bolt apart and give a good cleaning and oil the snot out of it. after a few drops in the right places it cycled perfectly with no hang ups.
hip hip hurray!!!! Thanks again Marion.....
Last edited by horton5; 03-31-2008 at 06:54 PM.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
