[danf6975]

personally i have several thoughts here

1 most torture tests are un realistic and as such are a dog and pony show .
2 having owned several glocks and a springfield i can say while both are very good weapons it will all come down to preferance of feel.
3 the one thing that springfield does better is they include a match grade barrel standard . glocks have been around a long time and have a good record and lots of accessories but why pay extra for one of the few things that they should make standard.
i dont hate glock in the least bit but i find the computability of the XD/M make for better accuracy for me and most likely anyone else out there that has a similar hand shape ( most of the people i talk to that trained with a 1911 before glock came out say the same thing)

but any way you slice it either gun is a good weapon so it still all boils down to what it feels like in your hand unless the agency you work for makes you use one or the other for duty and THEY pay for the rounds you put down range until you can shoot above proficiency

many people here work for places that have adopted glocks and use them at work but would not choose them as thier personal weapon and some would absolutely choose them because its all they know .

what makes me cringe is to hear someone that knows nothing about guns and has never held one ( any gun) and say oh i want XXX gun ( usually glock).
In the case of a friend of mine ( lesley), i went to the range with her and her new 17 and i bring my XDM and she cant hit the side of a barn. without coaching her at all i hand her a magazine and 6 rounds and place my XDM on the bench infront of her and she hit the target at 15 yards . she was not very accurate but it was far better to see her at least get it in the black ( standard B27 man silhouette ) than to not even hit the paper at all.
unfortunately she can not take back her weapon for a full refund at the store and she is stuck with a weapon that does not suite her.

unfortunately i hear stories just like this all the time and i have heard people tout the great things about each weapon such as its features etc etc but how many of them would any of us want next to us in a time of need?

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by danf6975

personally i have several thoughts here 1 most torture tests are un realistic and as such are a dog and pony show . 2 having owned several glocks and a springfield i can say while both are very good weapons it will all come down to preferance of feel. 3 the one thing that springfield does better is they include a match grade barrel standard . glocks have been around a long time and have a good record and lots of accessories but why pay extra for one of the few things that they should make standard. i dont hate glock in the least bit but i find the computability of the XD/M make for better accuracy for me and most likely anyone else out there that has a similar hand shape ( most of the people i talk to that trained with a 1911 before glock came out say the same thing) but any way you slice it either gun is a good weapon so it still all boils down to what it feels like in your hand unless the agency you work for makes you use one or the other for duty and THEY pay for the rounds you put down range until you can shoot above proficiency many people here work for places that have adopted glocks and use them at work but would not choose them as thier personal weapon and some would absolutely choose them because its all they know . what makes me cringe is to hear someone that knows nothing about guns and has never held one ( any gun) and say oh i want XXX gun ( usually glock). In the case of a friend of mine ( lesley), i went to the range with her and her new 17 and i bring my XDM and she cant hit the side of a barn. without coaching her at all i hand her a magazine and 6 rounds and place my XDM on the bench infront of her and she hit the target at 15 yards . she was not very accurate but it was far better to see her at least get it in the black ( standard B27 man silhouette ) than to not even hit the paper at all. unfortunately she can not take back her weapon for a full refund at the store and she is stuck with a weapon that does not suite her. unfortunately i hear stories just like this all the time and i have heard people tout the great things about each weapon such as its features etc etc but how many of them would any of us want next to us in a time of need?

One idea for your friend, "Gun Broker". I have sold used guns there for more money than I paid new. Maybe she could recoop the money from the Glock and get an XD or XDM. I have both XD (2 of them) and an XDM and love them. Even if the lesson costs her a few bucks she will have a better weapon that your trip to the range proved she will shoot better. I bought a Cobra Patriot in a moment of dumbness brand new for $300 figuring it would be a good beat up gun. I put about 500 or so rounds through it before I decided I bought a cheap gun and got "A Cheap Gun". I sold it on Gun Broker for $375 with the buyer paying shipping. Some buyers just assume it is cheaper because it is on Gun Broker and pay above retail price. Same idea as Ebay.

[Kaybe]

Interesting read on the XD. I am a Glock fan and have been to the armorers school a couple of times. But, the XD seems great. I would'nt hesitate to grab one if the money was right. As long as they hold up, why not? Especially if it is cheaper. It all comes down to the feel in your hand. Thanks for the link

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by toolman

Torture tests don't really prove anything in the real world, how many people ever have to chip their gun out of a block of ice before firing? If you like it, it feels good, buy it, and don't worry about the opinions of others, JMHO....

Very true. The fact that what, and this is just a guess, maybe about 75-85% of cops have and use one for their duty gun speaks volumes and proves quite a bit. Far more then either or any torture test does.

That even though and since both the XD and M&P have come out, and I'd add both are VERY similar to the Glock, as both are polymer framed with metal barrel and slide, something many scoffed at about and when Glocks first showed up on the scene, and the fact Glocks are still holding their own with these two great new semi-autos now on the market, also proves quite a bit.


But, like JAC, I too am biased. But I also would not hesitate to get an XD. In fact, I want one and an XD in .45acp is on my want/wish list...


Like a few have said. Get what you like, you prefer and the one that is most comfortable to you in your hand and what you prefer to defend and protect your life with and the lives of either your gf, wife and or children with...


Both S&W and S'ringfield Armory have both been around for quite some time and both don't have to prove anything to anyone. They both make GREAT reliable and quality firearms. And to me, Glock does as well...

[Mooseman684]

I feel that if God wanted us to have plastic firearms , he would have made Plastic deposits for us to Mine out of the ground !!! LOL

[alwaysaz]

I agree with most of the other posts here. The XD and Glock are both dependable. The angle of the handles are very different though, and so I agree people should try both before buying one. I love the feel of my Glock 22 and can't hit anything dependably with my buddies XD. He says the same of my Glock.

I don't think either one has a great trigger, or is a target gun, but both will go boom when you pull the trigger. That's the most important thing to me.

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mooseman684

I feel that if God wanted us to have plastic firearms , he would have made Plastuc deposits for us to Mine out of the ground !!! LOL

You're just hater. lol


And it's spelled plastic not plastuc. LOL

Ah, I'm just messin' with Sasquatch. lmao

[Mooseman684]

....LOL

[GlockMeister]

I suppose though, to add to what I said in my post #24, as far as the percentage of cops using Glocks may soon change based on the bazaar story that has been unfolding concerning Glock and it's owner and former business partner.

Law agency's, city, county, state and federal may decide to switch to the XD and or M&P just to get away from it all?

I mean, continuing to use them I don't think will bring any harm or bad publicity to them, but it just might make things difficult when it comes to contracts ans saving money. they may just decide to not associate themselves with Glock?

See what I'm talking about here: >>>

Glock's Secret Path to Profits - BusinessWeek

[ArkansasHunter]

Quote:       Originally Posted by gandog56

Exactly, and Glocks just don't feel good in my short fat fingered hand. A nice 1911 does.

You ought to tie weights to your short stubby fingers to make them longer.

I hear tell a feller had a problem with something else be'in short so he tied a stone on it and about 2 weeks later his problem was resolved.

You might even want to try that to ...A.H

[danf6975]

Quote:       Originally Posted by alwaysaz

I don't think either one has a great trigger, or is a target gun, but both will go boom when you pull the trigger. That's the most important thing to me.

actually i would say that the XDM9 is a target gun.
with a semi loose hold and good stance target reacquisition time is very fast and recoil is almost non existant ( did cause a problem for wife in the beginning as she was shooting low anticipating recoil).

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by GlockMeister

I suppose though, to add to what I said in my post #24, as far as the percentage of cops using Glocks may soon change based on the bazaar story that has been unfolding concerning Glock and it's owner and former business partner. Law agency's, city, county, state and federal may decide to switch to the XD and or M&P just to get away from it all? I mean, continuing to use them I don't think will bring any harm or bad publicity to them, but it just might make things difficult when it comes to contracts ans saving money. they may just decide to not associate themselves with Glock? See what I'm talking about here: >>> Glock's Secret Path to Profits - BusinessWeek

I don't know if there is any truth to it but I heard that The DEA is already in the process of switching to the XD Subcompact .40 as standard issue under cover gun. I can't even remember where it was I heard it, I just found it interesting whereas I carry a .40 Subcompact XD.

[jadek]

All well and good. BUT----- Why is the Berretta the choice of NATO????? I've been a revolver guy for longer than I care to admit but have owned Glocks Springfields and other semi's. I still go to my Security Six...Ilove hearing so and so said or I heard somewhere that somebody read this or that. Also they PAID for the test. Do you honestly think the testers would slam the product??? If ya do I've got just the bridge for ya. Cheap tooooo.

[Kaybe]

Plastic deposits out of the ground? It is called "oil". A friend of mine says that Glock is the Austrian word for Tupperware, I think it is the Austrian phrase, "Colt sucks". But, whatever you like and whatever works for you, it is your money. The article on Glock to me, is just a hit piece on a gun manufacturer and since he has a "nazi" past, they will make a white man look bad also. That is the liberal media.

[danf6975]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jadek

All well and good. BUT----- Why is the Berretta the choice of NATO?????

lowest bidder

[KW Gary M]

Originally Posted by jadek
All well and good. BUT----- Why is the Berretta the choice of NATO?????

Quote:       Originally Posted by danf6975

lowest bidder

Same reason Glock is the choisce of so many Law Enforcement branches. Sell to thousands of Police Departments at cost and let millions of civilians see it thinking "The Cops carry Glock, they must be good". Then they sell it in the retail market at top dollar.

[danf6975]

oh im sorry i misread your questions slightly . the m9 is not the NATO choice. the 9x19mm round is .

see the beretta was originally the choice of the airforce back in late 70s but the army didnt like that so they took over and re did the testing and bidder competition and AT THE TIME for the money it was the best performer but that is only because the other companies had better quality models but thier cost to manufacture in a large quantity was limited making thier order cost to high.
so by mid to late 80s it was taken as the official replacement of the 1911 basically because of the NATO round choice and because baretta was the only company that could make them afordable in mass quantity.

its had a sleu of problems too
like the fact that the magazines where not from beretta so the springs would wear out after lots of use ( lots of people tried to say it was from the ammo being left in for long periods of time which is not what happens) and there where problems with the slide . they fixed the slide problems quickly because they caused serious injury but to this day i believe they havent really fixed the problem

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by KW Gary M

Originally Posted by jadek All well and good. BUT----- Why is the Berretta the choice of NATO????? Same reason Glock is the choice of so many Law Enforcement branches. Sell to thousands of Police Departments at cost and let millions of civilians see it thinking "The Cops carry Glock, they must be good". Then they sell it in the retail market at top dollar.

I'm quite sure Glock isn't the only one that does this nor are they the ones that coined the process. I'm not going to hold it against them for being good at marketing their product. I can't fault them for that.

I'd also add, evidently it worked and is that good because there are a lot of civilians that bought and own them. So they must be that good and to me are. But I also think the M&P's and the XD's are as well.

I'm not a hater. lol

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by GlockMeister

I'm quite sure Glock isn't the only one that does this nor are they the ones that coined the process. I'm not going to hold it against them for being good at marketing their product. I can't fault them for that. I'd also add, evidently it worked and is that good because there are a lot of civilians that bought and own them. So they must be that good and to me are. But I also think the M&P's and the XD's are as well. I'm not a hater. lol

I agree there. Very smart marketing. Many products do that. I'm sure pro baseball players get paid to use a certain brand of glove or bat and a hockey player with a stick.