A Question Mostly for the Vietnam Vets

[Wingwiper]

I have seen the photos of the Anti A/C gun but I also do remember hearing where she also pulled a lanyard on an artillery piece that was aimed in OUR direction. Been a lot of years and not sure if anyone else remembers that.
I was in Quang-Tri 1stMarDiv and I can't recall a single Marine that wouldn't have volunteered to be on her firing squad.

[rice paddy dadd]

I was in Quang Tri also, with the 1st Brigade 5th Infantry Div (Mech)-we were on loan to the 3rd Marine Division.
I personally believe she commited traitorous acts as defined by the Constitution, but I quit obsessing about it years ago. I refuse to give her space in my head.

[KGunner]

Stick the whore in a pit for a few years and see how she likes what her friends were doing to her fellow country-men.

[SKS NOOB]

Originally Posted by troy2000

We can argue all day long about whether she was a traitor or not, TXplt. I'm just saying it's irrelevant to her acting ability, and to whether I should enjoy the movies she's in. They're fiction, for God's sake. If she were spouting her beliefs in a documentary-type propaganda piece, that would be a different matter; I wouldn't watch.

I don't give a damn what an actor's personal life is like or what their political beliefs are; I'm watching them as entertainers and performers. Rock Hudson was a closet gay; does that mean I'm not allowed to enjoy his performance as the leading man in a romantic comedy opposite Doris Day?

It's called "acting" for a reason...

Agreed. She's a good actress, but if she earned alot of money that helped what she was doing, ESPECIALLY what is considered treason, I don't think anybody would want to go to/buy her movies. Just a little food for thought and just sayin I wouldn't 100% agree with ya on this one.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by rice paddy dadd

I was in Quang Tri also, with the 1st Brigade 5th Infantry Div (Mech)-we were on loan to the 3rd Marine Division.
I personally believe she commited traitorous acts as defined by the Constitution, but I quit obsessing about it years ago. I refuse to give her space in my head.

Good enough. I think you're right not to be obsessing about it a lifetime later, and I'm a little amazed how many people grimly hang onto their hatreds, instead of shrugging and getting on with their lives.

I used to read a gas meter at the home of a WWII veteran who wouldn't let "Jap" vehicles onto his large property. If I was driving a Toyota pickup I had to park at the gate, walk ten minutes to the meter and ten minutes back. I like my dad's attitude better; he did his best to leave the war behind when he came home, instead of bringing it with him and clinging to it.

[CrazyIvan]

How many of y'all watch football, hockey, baseball, basketball?

How many of those players have been charged & convicted of drug use, drug trafficcing, domestic violence, other violent crimes, drunk driving, etc...? Do you stop watching the sport? .... I didn't think so.

How many of you listen to Kid Rock, Rap or other music composed by convicted felons, wife/girlfriend abusers, etc...? Did those convictions of theirs cause you to stop watching or listening to their performances?

I think Jane Fonda is a goofy moron. But, some of the movies she has had parts in are fun to watch. Although, I will say she isn't that great of an actress and only arrived on the national level because of her father.

I'm gonna choke myself for saying this, but I agree with t2000...I don't watch means of entertainment to reinforce my political views. I still like watching Arnold, even though he is the leader of a state that I completely disagree with when it comes to political stance.

[LarryO1970]

PTSD does some evil things to people, right or wrong. Some can't simply leave it behind.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Good enough. I think you're right not to be obsessing about it a lifetime later, and I'm a little amazed how many people grimly hang onto their hatreds, instead of shrugging and getting on with their lives.

I used to read a gas meter at the home of a WWII veteran who wouldn't let "Jap" vehicles onto his large property. If I was driving a Toyota pickup I had to park at the gate, walk ten minutes to the meter and ten minutes back. I like my dad's attitude better; he did his best to leave the war behind when he came home, instead of bringing it with him and clinging to it.

If you weren't there then it is hard to say or judge a man who was. You would have to open that man's closet and look at his skeletons before you could judge him. Your Dad, only speaks for himself and NOT for all Veterans. I speak for myself and I HATE JANE FONDA, I have never tried to force any one who was not a Veteran to try and understand my reasons, because they seem petty to the Non Military person, so never tried. My wife is the only one who knows better than try and watch Jane Fonda in my presence and she has respected my wishes and has NEVER been tempted to.
GOD DOES THE FORGIVING AND I AM NOT GOD.


Crazy Ivan

People who served in wespac during the time of the 60s and 70s know that the most UNPOPULAR thing for a person to do was wear a uniform. The Hippie movement was as much against the military people as it was the Govt and the idea of the war. It was hard enough to be accepted when you felt strong about your duty and you did it when it was the most unpopular thing you could do and idoing so actually cost you friends. To have a person from Hollywood who was gifted with wealth and fame from the the very Freedoms, many of us strogly felt we were protecting, stand with the enemy and bash US was the ultimate insult and the ultimate sign of treason. We felt we were patriots and to this very day we are scorned and we are the ones who did our duties and you say we should forgive those who made no attempt to do their duty but strike us for what we were doing and sleep with the enemy? She cost American lives and she was not ashamed to do it, she met with the Enemy on their TURF and those were ACTIVE GUNS and NOT props. She was not far from the Hanoi Hilton where GOOD and LOYAL Americans were being beaten daily. To shun the good of America and praise the scum is bass ackwards as far as I am concern, I will NEVER forgive.
Ask the Viet Vets here how long it was before they openly talked about their role in the war without being yelled at, called names or have a door slammed in their face.
Semper Fi

[Slow Fuse]

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[Texan]

Originally Posted by SuckLead

.....So my question is this: do you watch any movies Jane Fonda is in? What is your opinion on the whole thing in general, really.....

Nope, don't watch 'em, waste of my time, don't want to remember, don't want to be reminded...moving on! Like several have said it was a life time away. Right, but I don't forget that easily.

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[Slow Fuse]

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[CrazyIvan]

How many of y'all drive a Japanese car? Back in WWII, the Japanese were responsible for thousands of American deaths. But, they are a major market competitor now and I am sure there are more than a few of you that drive a Toyota or a Honda around.

Or, what about a Mercedes or BMW? German....

[TXplt]

Jane Fonda wasn't Vietnamese. She was an American at the time who was giving aid and comfort to North Vietnam. Plain and simple.

Like I said, I don't care what people watch in movies and, as far as acting itself agree that her actions were likely irrelevant in this area. I also agree that one needs to move on in life; however I firmly believe that people who commit overt acts of treason should NOT be given a pass because they were caught up in the moment or claim to be young and stupid. There are many young and old Americans that have and will continue to do their duty when called upon. I don't believe her subsequent actions have been at all supportive of America. I personally don't need to support or patronize anything that she does; if anyone else chooses to that's certainly up to them.

Anyway, that's it for me....

[stalebiscuit]

jane fonda being a ditsy bitch aside, her movies suck anyway

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Troy, I don't like Hanoi Jane either, and WILL NOT watch her movies. Same as I won't watch Tom Cruise's movies, listen to the Dixie Chicks, or give any attention to other simpering HollyWeirdos and folks I just don't like. Why support their career if I don't like them? They can go pound sand.
The best thing to do with such 'entertainers' is to totally ignore them, let their careers die.

its a good thing they all suck anyway

AM I RIGHT FELLAS, HUH HUH HUH!

LET ME HEAR IT!!

Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

How many of y'all drive a Japanese car? Back in WWII, the Japanese were responsible for thousands of American deaths. But, they are a major market competitor now and I am sure there are more than a few of you that drive a Toyota or a Honda around.

Or, what about a Mercedes or BMW? German....

toyota camry 93

but to be honest, next to israel, i think japan is our closest ally

to be honest, im wondering about the brits, their politics are a little to much for me

[CrazyIvan]

I apologize for any disrespect I may have shown. I hold a certain disdain for her myself. And, I really appreciate each and every person who goes to fight for our freedoms here in the US.

My point was that most people talk about her sharing info with the enemy and it caused undue harm to American soldiers. There were much greater causes of injury and death to American soldiers, and I don't understand why the same hatred is not held for those other causes as well.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

If you weren't there then it is hard to say or judge a man who was. You would have to open that man's closet and look at his skeletons before you could judge him. Your Dad, only speaks for himself and NOT for all Veterans.

I didn't say my dad spoke for all veterans. He speaks for himself, and I still like his attitude better.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Ask the Viet Vets here how long it was before they openly talked about their role in the war without being yelled at, called names or have a door slammed in their face.
Semper Fi

I don't need to ask. I am a Vietnam vet. First of all, I very seldom mention my experiences to anyone except in passing, and I didn't back then either. Nor have I ever tried to talk about it to anyone who didn't want to hear it. But no one's ever yelled at me, called me names, or tried to slam doors in my faces when the subject did come up, in the thirty five years since I left the service.

As a matter of fact, I went to college for two years on the G.I. Bill as a theatre major, which is about as left-wing a group of people as you'll ever find, and never got so much as a snotty remark out of anyone. I certainly don't remember ever running around thinking, "OMG; my country hates me," and I'm not going to heap ashes on my head now and pretend I was some kind of victim. Me and the country got along just fine, thank you. Go find someone else to feel sorry for...

[stalebiscuit]

Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

I apologize for any disrespect I may have shown. I hold a certain disdain for her myself. And, I really appreciate each and every person who goes to fight for our freedoms here in the US.

My point was that most people talk about her sharing info with the enemy and it caused undue harm to American soldiers. There were much greater causes of injury and death to American soldiers, and I don't understand why the same hatred is not held for those other causes as well.

because she was a well known figure who went out of her way to confide and aid the enemy at the least in terms of morale, it was an unnecessary, spiteful, treasonous act, and she should never be forgiven for it

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I didn't say my dad spoke for all veterans. He speaks for himself, and I still like his attitude better.



I don't need to ask. I am a Vietnam vet. First of all, I very seldom mention my experiences to anyone except in passing, and I didn't back then either. Nor have I ever tried to talk about it to anyone who didn't want to hear it. But no one's ever yelled at me, called me names, or tried to slam doors in my faces when the subject did come up, in the thirty five years since I left the service.

Of course there were some jerks back then; there always are. But I certainly don't remember ever running around thinking, "OMG; my country hates me," and I'm not going to heap ashes on my head and pretend I was some kind of victim.

PTSD does some evil things to people, right or wrong. Some can't simply leave it behind.

Apparently, you were not spit on by protesters like my uncles were...

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I didn't say my dad spoke for all veterans. He speaks for himself, and I still like his attitude better.

Your choice, that is fine

I don't need to ask. I am a Vietnam vet. First of all, I very seldom mention my experiences to anyone except in passing, and I didn't back then either. Nor have I ever tried to talk about it to anyone who didn't want to hear it. But no one's ever yelled at me, called me names, or tried to slam doors in my faces when the subject did come up, in the thirty five years since I left the service.

I am really surprised to hear that. I had a door slammed in my face on more than one occassion and I had my SRB with me looking for a job, as soon as I said USMC, "get the F-ck out" I wouldn't think New England was any different than any other part of the country. I was called BABY KILLER, MOMMA RAPER. I had Moms who wouldn't let their daugher's go out with me, cuz I was a Marine. When I wen tto parties when I came home on leave, many would make it point to talk about the war and preach about how wrong we were for being there etc. I learned NEVER to wear a uniform after arriving home. My haircut (high and tight) was a dead give awa, though.

As a matter of fact, I went to college for two years on the G.I. Bill as a theatre major, which is about as left-wing a group of people as you'll ever find, and never got so much as a snotty remark out of anyone. I certainly don't remember ever running around thinking, "OMG; my country hates me," and I'm not going to heap ashes on my head now and pretend I was some kind of victim. Me and the country got along just fine, thank you. Go find someone else to feel sorry for...

I went to college in San MArcos and I was picked on when they found out I was going to college and I was getting money for killing people. I really don't know how you miss the flak. That really surprises me, it was NOT isolated.
I am not pretending to be a Victrim, get real Troy, you rea dinto things too much. I don't give a rat's As- one way or the other, I HATE JANE FONDA, that was the subject, so remove your soap box.

[CrazyIvan]

War is a result of political decisions. I've never considered blaming those grunts on the ground for it.