A Question Mostly for the Vietnam Vets

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by benhinds2000

I was one of the lucky ones, I never got spit on or hollered at or anything like that. I do personally know others that have been.
As far as Hanoi Jane is concerned, I will not watch her movies or any thing else she has done,new or old. I would not even walk across the street to check if shes dead or not.
At the very least she shamed my country and my constitution. That is totally unforgivable.
'Nuff said.
benhinds2000
WestPac 72-73

Ben, I probably wouldn't walk across the street to see her in person either, dead or alive. As a matter of fact, that's the way I am with most "celebrities," and especially clueless, political activist-type celebrities.

But I don't boycott her movies, because there's no point; she can't hear me doing it anyway...

[benhinds2000]

troy,
You're right, she can't hear either one of us doing it. However I feel better about it.
I think everyone's trying to psychoanalyze this to much.
Thank you
benhinds2000

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Oh please, Wingwiper. I never cowered to anyone in my life because of my military service. Stop feeling sorry for yourself; you'll make me embarrassed to be a veteran. If you were tough enough to take on the VC and NVA in their own back yard, I'll bet you managed to deal with a few idiots back home.

Troy, you need to come down off your high horse, I am NOT feeling sorry for myself. How am I making you embarrassed to be a veteran?? That is something you will do to yourself, without my help.. I did deal with it and I as I said, I kept quiet for over 10 years. It wasn't a FEW idiots, the whole country was in a turmoil and an anti-war spin. ia ma making points and NOT feeling sorry. You need to get real.

"HATING America then was just as popular as it is NOW?!??" No; I'd say 'hating America' has never been as popular as accusing anyone who disagrees with you of hating America is...

Obviously there were jerks back then, just as there are jerks now. But to claim those jerks were representative of, or typical of, Americans as a whole is an insult to the country I loved and fought for.

Those jerks, Troy, are more than a few. Those jerks are the ones who did NOT choose to serve and got their deferrments instead. Those jerks,are the Anti war hippies who have now grown but carry the same ideals. Those jerks are the ones who lived in the communes and lived free and now live off of welfare and the system and demand more more more. Many of the generation grew up and learned that their ways were foolish and adjusted, many did not. Some may wear a shirt and tie but inside they are still long hairs with tie dyes on and the attitudes of the 60s.
Troy, I can't believe you don't read it or hear it in the News, almost EVERY day. I expect people to disagree and that is normal, this isn't about ME and the rest of the country. When you read the news where Our military is constantly being accused of crap and put on trials, for the most part it is a joke. People are searching for another My Lai and another Lt Cally, they want to show that the military is a bunch of sickos. Torture my as- , stripping an Arab naked is NOT torture it may be HUMILATION but it ain't torture. What the Towel heads did to those two captured young soldiers at the check point, was torture. Yet, with all of the accusations of OUR people torturing etc how often do you hear anything more about the beheadings? Sgt Maupin got just a few words. We are still digging up fresh mass graves and other than hearing that they are mass graves, that is about it. You WILL read more about the trial of the Marines than you will about the fresh mass graves.
The news has been filled with HATE your FELLOW AMERICAN stories. Must be you read the stories differently from others or maybe you agree with them and don't see them as hate.

I'm not doubting you had some bad experiences; maybe I was just lucky. But I don't think you should lay the blame on everyone for what a few did.

Laying the blame on EVERYONE?? Troy.. in your Avatar, you had called yourself a LIBERAL. I want to ask you, what kind of LIBERAL are you? the Truman type or Roosevelt type or the new Hate everything America is doing type. I have Liberal beliefs as well as anyone and I am sure if people looked carefully they would see they too have liberal beliefs. Libertarian is NOT liberal. EXTREME LEFT is NOT Liberal any more than EXTREME RIGHT is Conservative. I refer to the EXTREME LEFT, who seem to outnumber by a long shot the basic Truman Liberal.
I think the problem is the media and the media caters to them because they are closer to the Democrats way of thinking than the conservative. The Democrats have absorbed the Left Liberals and the Republicans have absorbed the Right Conservatives and an extreme on either side is bad. There is just more extremist on the Left side and they seem to have voices that spread. The Media I speak off is all media and not just TV. The Democrats had control for 46 years and so everything became adapted to serving the Democrat way of thinking and the LEFT was apart of them. The Republicans had control for just a few years and all they can refer to is those few years. Yet the blame for everything goes to the Republicans instead of the Dems. EVERY problem in our govt came in the 46 years the Dems had a Majority or the White House.
Jane Fonda was accepted because she fit in with the main flow. I think if the Democratic party wants to survive they need to seperate themselves from the WHACKO LEFT. You can not tell me you are PROUD of either Democratic Candidate as I am not Proud of the GP one. This will become the norm though, we will now have real dirtbags running for President.
Had Jane Fonda come back and Republicans were in the Majority, I think she would have been convicted.

[Brother Bob]

One reason why I don't care for any of the candidates for President is the fact that no one knows their core beliefs. I wouldn't trust Hillary with my grandkids much less the country. Same with Obama. A strong candidate makes their beliefs known and you can usually verify this by their past voting record. The media picked our candidates this year and the country fell for it hook, line, and sinker! All we can do now is look at the Congress and the Senate and see what we can do about getting rid of the deadbeats there. Yes, I will vote for John McCain, but I'd like him to know that it wasn't because I like him and his policies, whatever they may be. It's because I deem him as the lesser of two evils. We need a leader that will change the attitude and mind-set of too many Americans. It's not the government's responsibility to take care of you from the cradle to the grave. If you believe it is, you're not a true American and you need to move somewhere else. We need to move forward, not backwards. Flipping burgers at McDonalds is an entry level job usually manned by teens. If you're 36 years old and have decided to make it a career, don't ask the government to raise minimum wage so you can live off this job! You couldn't live off this job in the 60's so don't expect it now, either! Besides, no one is going to pay $25 dollars for a cheeseburger! Sorry. I'm way off topic here and I'm rambling again.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

One reason why I don't care for any of the candidates for President is the fact that no one knows their core beliefs. I wouldn't trust Hillary with my grandkids much less the country. Same with Obama. A strong candidate makes their beliefs known and you can usually verify this by their past voting record. The media picked our candidates this year and the country fell for it hook, line, and sinker! All we can do now is look at the Congress and the Senate and see what we can do about getting rid of the deadbeats there. Yes, I will vote for John McCain, but I'd like him to know that it wasn't because I like him and his policies, whatever they may be. It's because I deem him as the lesser of two evils. We need a leader that will change the attitude and mind-set of too many Americans. It's not the government's responsibility to take care of you from the cradle to the grave. If you believe it is, you're not a true American and you need to move somewhere else. We need to move forward, not backwards. Flipping burgers at McDonalds is an entry level job usually manned by teens. If you're 36 years old and have decided to make it a career, don't ask the government to raise minimum wage so you can live off this job! You couldn't live off this job in the 60's so don't expect it now, either! Besides, no one is going to pay $25 dollars for a cheeseburger! Sorry. I'm way off topic here and I'm rambling again.

Off topic or not, EXCELLENT post.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Troy, you need to come down off your high horse, I am NOT feeling sorry for myself. How am I making you embarrassed to be a veteran?? That is something you will do to yourself, without my help.. I did deal with it and I as I said, I kept quiet for over 10 years. It wasn't a FEW idiots, the whole country was in a turmoil and an anti-war spin. ia ma making points and NOT feeling sorry. You need to get real.

I'm embarrassed for you, when you start talking about cowering because people didn't like you being a veteran.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

The news has been filled with HATE your FELLOW AMERICAN stories. Must be you read the stories differently from others or maybe you agree with them and don't see them as hate.

Maybe it's how you read them, Wingwiper. I don't read every piece of news I don't like as a "hate America" story, and I don't accuse every politician I disagree with of hating America, either.

Telling the truth about the way a war is going isn't hating America, and neither is reporting the court martial of someone who rapes and murders the civilians he's supposedly there to protect. Believing we shouldn't mistreat prisoners and generally act like the scum we're trying to whip isn't hating America, either.

And trying to characterize the average liberal as some kind of ex-commune dwelling welfare queen is just laughable.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Laying the blame on EVERYONE?? Troy.. in your Avatar, you had called yourself a LIBERAL. I want to ask you, what kind of LIBERAL are you? the Truman type or Roosevelt type or the new Hate everything America is doing type. I have Liberal beliefs as well as anyone and I am sure if people looked carefully they would see they too have liberal beliefs. Libertarian is NOT liberal. EXTREME LEFT is NOT Liberal any more than EXTREME RIGHT is Conservative. I refer to the EXTREME LEFT, who seem to outnumber by a long shot the basic Truman Liberal.
I think the problem is the media and the media caters to them because they are closer to the Democrats way of thinking than the conservative. The Democrats have absorbed the Left Liberals and the Republicans have absorbed the Right Conservatives and an extreme on either side is bad. There is just more extremist on the Left side and they seem to have voices that spread. The Media I speak off is all media and not just TV. The Democrats had control for 46 years and so everything became adapted to serving the Democrat way of thinking and the LEFT was apart of them. The Republicans had control for just a few years and all they can refer to is those few years. Yet the blame for everything goes to the Republicans instead of the Dems. EVERY problem in our govt came in the 46 years the Dems had a Majority or the White House.
Jane Fonda was accepted because she fit in with the main flow. I think if the Democratic party wants to survive they need to seperate themselves from the WHACKO LEFT. You can not tell me you are PROUD of either Democratic Candidate as I am not Proud of the GP one. This will become the norm though, we will now have real dirtbags running for President.
Had Jane Fonda come back and Republicans were in the Majority, I think she would have been convicted.

You make some good points there, Wingwiper, then veer right back into the "everything that's wrong with the country and the whole world is the fault of the Democrats" mindset. Sorry, but history and reality aren't that simplemindedly black and white.

I do wish we had some pro-2nd Amendment candidates. But I'm not particularly ashamed of Hillary and Obama, and I see no reason you should be ashamed of McCain. I don't like Hillary and won't vote for her, but that's a far cry from swallowing the nonsense that she's the Devil in panties. The worst thing anyone's managed to lay on Obama so far is that he didn't repudiate his pastor soon enough to suit people; they make it sound like he's practically married to the guy.

And I'm still amazed at the vicious way the Bushies ripped into McCain, calling him worse than a liberal, insinuating he collaborated when he was a p.o.w., claiming he's mentally unstable because he acts like a normal man instead of a politician by losing his temper sometimes, etc. I believe Bush's supporters are so spiteful they'd rather sit on their hands and see a Democrat become president than let McCain win.

I don't think the Republicans would ever have been stupid enough to have Jane Fonda put on trial. Can you imagine what a three-ring circus that would've turned into? It would have given her and her supporters a bigger microphone, and polarized the country even worse than it already was over the war.

And by the way: if you really have to ask whether I hate America, nothing I answer is going to matter anyway. Let's just say I'm not the sort of liberal who's going to walk around wearing a label pasted on his forehead by some conservative...

[LarryO1970]

"I don't think the Republicans would ever have been stupid enough to have Jane Fonda put on trial. Can you imagine what a three-ring circus that would've turned into? It would have given her and her supporters a bigger microphone, and polarized the country even worse than it already was over the war."

... it should not have been Republicans or Democrats putting her on trial, it should have been the American people. I'm certain it wasn't only Republicans on the ground fighting the war in which she supported the opposition of. We all have our opinions... and mine is that she should have been tried for treason.

... by ignoring her, they set a precedence that is still seen in Hollywood today. I give you Sean Penn, Danny Glover and a few others posing and shaking hands with Hugo Chavez... a sworn enemy to the United States, just as North Vietnam was...

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I'm embarrassed for you, when you start talking about cowering because people didn't like you being a veteran.

I wanted a job, I wanted a place to live and I wanted to be able to mingle with Society so when in Rome either do as the Romans do or shut up. I chose to shut up.
It wasn't until AFTER Reagan was elected did America get some PRIDE back and I was aware that I was NOT in the minority as I had thought I was. (only two in my class enlisted)

Maybe it's how you read them, Wingwiper. I don't read every piece of news I don't like as a "hate America" story, and I don't accuse every politician I disagree with of hating America, either.

Telling the truth about the way a war is going isn't hating America, and neither is reporting the court martial of someone who rapes and murders the civilians he's supposedly there to protect. Believing we shouldn't mistreat prisoners and generally act like the scum we're trying to whip isn't hating America, either.

I don't read every piece as a I DON"T LIKE either Troy, get real please. But there is Plenty of news that does and even a fool with a low IQ can read it and get the same message. The media is causing the leaning and they are the ones who feel they have the control and I think they publish these HATE views to get people to side with them and HATE the war, but to the people who do NOT share the same views, to begin with it sounds more like HATE AMERICA and NOT a Political position.
Troy it would be more of a pleasure speaking to you, if you would merely talk the issues and quit trying to throw in the personnal bashes all of the time. You response everytime someone has a view, is they are feeling sorry for themselves or whatever. Can you just speak about the point of view without bringing in the writer all of the time????? I think you are more guilty of what you are trying to accuse me of.

And trying to characterize the average liberal as some kind of ex-commune dwelling welfare queen is just laughable.

That is is laughable, isn't it?? That isn't what I said. Reread the post and then Look at your friends and people you knew from the 60s and then see where they are today and their attitudes. Tell me I am wrong.......

Want to see who is LIBERAL today go to this site and see all of the candidates and see who has the most LIBERAL VIEWS and what the views are.
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You make some good points there, Wingwiper, then veer right back into the "everything that's wrong with the country and the whole world is the fault of the Democrats" mindset. Sorry, but history and reality aren't that simplemindedly black and white.

No! I never brought up the WHOLE WORLD and I am not sure how you concluded thist stupid assumption.. You reinforce what I did say by the very action of not being able to grasp what was actaully said.
The problems with Democrats, as I see it is Democrats. It is their inheritence of the LEFT whacko Liberals that has contaminated their party to the point THEY are laughable.

I do wish we had some pro-2nd Amendment candidates. But I'm not particularly ashamed of Hillary and Obama, and I see no reason you should be ashamed of McCain. I don't like Hillary and won't vote for her, but that's a far cry from swallowing the nonsense that she's the Devil in panties. The worst thing anyone's managed to lay on Obama so far is that he didn't repudiate his pastor soon enough to suit people; they make it sound like he's practically married to the guy.

ASHAMED is too gentle of a word for what I feel for any of the three. Hillary and Obama, well words just can't describe what I feel about them. McCain is too much like Jim Jeffords and to me will say whatever YOU want to hear with the full intent of doing what he wants.

And I'm still amazed at the vicious way the Bushies ripped into McCain, calling him worse than a liberal, insinuating he collaborated when he was a p.o.w., claiming he's mentally unstable because he acts like a normal man instead of a politician by losing his temper sometimes, etc. I believe Bush's supporters are so spiteful they'd rather sit on their hands and see a Democrat become president than let McCain win.

How do YOU know he didn't collaborate? I am sure the Bushes have far better connections to gain info to be able to say than we do. It takes a better qualities, than just being a NORMAL or AVERGAE person to take on the role of President. Spiteful?? No! I doubt that, but I know a lot of Dems who WILL be voting for him because they laugh at what the Dems have to offer, at least McCain is a predictable Democrat.

I don't think the Republicans would ever have been stupid enough to have Jane Fonda put on trial. Can you imagine what a three-ring circus that would've turned into? It would have given her and her supporters a bigger microphone, and polarized the country even worse than it already was over the war.

Three ring Circus???? Justice isn't a Three Ring Circus and that is the attitude that allowed her to walk. I think it would have taken the Microphone away. Silence those who think they can act in a such a way without fear of punishment, Larry is correct.

And by the way: if you really have to ask whether I hate America, nothing I answer is going to matter anyway. Let's just say I'm not the sort of liberal who's going to walk around wearing a label pasted on his forehead by some conservative...

What?????? What candidate best represents your views?
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I do not hide what I believe in, if I felt the need to, than what would I be hiding???

[mdj696]

Binh Long Province, 67-68, 1st Inf Div.. Larry, you saved me a trip to the dictionary to look up how to spell precedence. You hit the nail on the head. I've spent many years with the VA and I've learned that vets up north were treated more harshly upon returning home. I was a draft dodger, I enlisted. I was treated with respect here in the south. I've never found Jane Fonda as entertaining I quess because I saw her as liberal as she was. I've read that back then, another liberal Joan Biaz wanted to take protest into Cambodia to protest the genicide there, Jane wanted no part of it. The girl I was dating when I came back, wanted to go see the movie The Green Beret. We went to a drive in. I'll never forget the part firing the 4 duece and it went boof, I laughed my rear end off. Stale Biscuit, living in the Atlanta area, if you see Jane Fonda walking down a sidewalk, one can't but notice, she's now just a swrived up old woman. I'm going to carry a resentment of her after all these years? As far as setting a precedence, I'm 100% with Larry on that.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... it should not have been Republicans or Democrats putting her on trial, it should have been the American people. I'm certain it wasn't only Republicans on the ground fighting the war in which she supported the opposition of.

As I remember it, and my brother and I both went, as did alot of young men from our neighborhood, it wasn't the Repulicans fighting on the ground in that war. Most came from poorer, Union, working class neighborhoods and inner-cities. Typically Democratic and typically drafted. Republican families sent their kids to college with deferments and they were the ones protesting the war back home.
Now it appears the chickens have come home to roost as the more liberal, Democratic Americans are doing the protesting now.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

I wanted a job, I wanted a place to live and I wanted to be able to mingle with Society so when in Rome either do as the Romans do or shut up. I chose to shut up.
It wasn't until AFTER Reagan was elected did America get some PRIDE back and I was aware that I was NOT in the minority as I had thought I was. (only two in my class enlisted)

I don't really know what to say, Wingwiper. I have never in my life felt the need to hide my military service to get a job or rent a house, or lost either by revealing it, and I've mingled with society just fine for thirty five years.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

I don't read every piece as a I DON"T LIKE either Troy, get real please. But there is Plenty of news that does and even a fool with a low IQ can read it and get the same message. The media is causing the leaning and they are the ones who feel they have the control and I think they publish these HATE views to get people to side with them and HATE the war, but to the people who do NOT share the same views, to begin with it sounds more like HATE AMERICA and NOT a Political position.

Again: I read the same news you do probably, and I can't find all that "hate America" content you're upset about.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Troy it would be more of a pleasure speaking to you, if you would merely talk the issues and quit trying to throw in the personnal bashes all of the time. You response everytime someone has a view, is they are feeling sorry for themselves or whatever. Can you just speak about the point of view without bringing in the writer all of the time????? I think you are more guilty of what you are trying to accuse me of.

How could I respond to you telling me how you cowered, without my reply being considered "personal?" If you don't want personal replies, don't give personal information.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

That is is laughable, isn't it?? That isn't what I said. Reread the post and then Look at your friends and people you knew from the 60s and then see where they are today and their attitudes. Tell me I am wrong.......

Sorry; my friends from back then aren't anything like you think they are. They're normal Americans, and they don't fit any conservative fantasy of what young liberals grow up to be.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

No! I never brought up the WHOLE WORLD and I am not sure how you concluded thist stupid assumption.. You reinforce what I did say by the very action of not being able to grasp what was actaully said.
The problems with Democrats, as I see it is Democrats. It is their inheritence of the LEFT whacko Liberals that has contaminated their party to the point THEY are laughable.

You're right; I exaggerated and condensed what you said to make my point. But what you really said ("EVERY problem in our govt came in the 46 years the Dems had a Majority or the White House") is only slightly less ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

How do YOU know he didn't collaborate? I am sure the Bushes have far better connections to gain info to be able to say than we do.

It is totally despicable to give any credence to that sort of vicious accusation without solid evidence. And you can take that as personally as you wish.

None of the people who were spreading the rumor had the guts to admit ownership of it. Rush Limbaugh, for example, said, "I'm not saying that; I would never say such a thing. I'm just reporting to you what others are saying..."

[Pred]

Wow.. how have I missed this thread? So much bashing and yet I'm not involved, I feel so.. unused..

[snuffysmith]

Ok, I really wasn't going to post on this subject cause it makes me mad just to think about her doing what she did. I got out in '65, but I had some buddies and a brother that went to Nam and served honorably there. What she did is unforgivable as long as the stars and stripes fly anywhere in the world.
If there were any justice in the world, she would still be in prison. I have this fantasy about coming across her stranded on the side of the road in the desert with no one around to witness anything. I'm afraid it would be pay-back time for all the guys she helped kill by aiding and abetting the enemy. It is a known fact that she prolonged the war by her actions and I for one will never forgive her. The only thing I could add is Rosie O'Donnell in the car with her. lol

Snuffy

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by snuffysmith

Ok, I really wasn't going to post on this subject cause it makes me mad just to think about her doing what she did. I got out in '65, but I had some buddies and a brother that went to Nam and served honorably there. What she did is unforgivable as long as the stars and stripes fly anywhere in the world.
If there were any justice in the world, she would still be in prison. I have this fantasy about coming across her stranded on the side of the road in the desert with no one around to witness anything. I'm afraid it would be pay-back time for all the guys she helped kill by aiding and abetting the enemy. It is a known fact that she prolonged the war by her actions and I for one will never forgive her. The only thing I could add is Rosie O'Donnell in the car with her. lol

Snuffy

... by ignoring her, they set a precedence that is still seen in Hollywood today. I give you Sean Penn, Danny Glover and a few others posing and shaking hands with the likes of Hugo Chavez... a sworn enemy to the United States, just as North Vietnam was...

... and adding Rosie O'Donnell would be a great idea. I'm sure your sentiments are held closely by your fellow Vietnam Veterans...

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... by ignoring her, they set a precedence that is still seen in Hollywood today. I give you Sean Penn, Danny Glover and a few others posing and shaking hands with Hugo Chavez... a sworn enemy to the United States, just as North Vietnam was...

... and adding Rosie O'Donnell would be a great idea. I'm sure your sentiments are held closely by your fellow Vietnam Veterans...

I didn't realize we were at war with Hugo Chavez, Larry. When did that happen? And why are we allowing his gasoline to be sold here? Why aren't those gas station owners on trial for treason?

Sorry, folks. I don't believe Jane Fonda extended the war one single day. She was a symptom of the times and the troubles, not the cause of them.

Her actions were reprehensible. But whether they fit the legal definition of treason is another question. I don't think anyone wanted to take a chance on charging her and seeing her acquitted, thereby turning her into a little-person-against-the-big-bad-government hero. That's not a Republican/Democrat thing, and it had nothing to do with who was in the majority in Congress; Congress doesn't run the courts and the Justice Department.

[Pred]

Yes, because when an administration says they don't like someone, it's your duty as a citizen to blindly follow and agree. I mean, how dare you not go along with this picture:



You know, it's funny. On Friday Gates said that in 2009 the US planned on sending many more troops to Afghanistan. One of the guys I worked with was in the Army and spent some time over seas during the first gulf war. Anyways, I said unless a draft happens, the majority of our National Guard will most likely be seeing combat over the next few years. So I asked him what would happen if they tried to send 5,000 NG over, and 4,500 said no. His response, line them all up and put a bullet in their brain. I pointed out to him that Stalin did much the same thing, anyone who didn't agree with him, well... It's funny how the meaning of patriotism has changed since 9/11. It once meant the love for ones country. However now patriotism means blindly following those in charge. I realize veterans see things differently then civilians, well, most do. I know quite a few veterans that completely disagree with most of you on this board, would be interesting to see that war of words play out when the whole "BUT I WORE THAT UNIFORM" argument and lashing can't be used. This country has gotten so bad, so quick, because we no longer have any common sense. You either agree with me, or your a liberal. Or, you agree with me, or your an evil Republican. There is no more "lets do whats right for the country", from either side. It's because of this that, chances are, I will NOT vote in the coming election, because all three candidates(if the election happens at all) will do nothing but harm in one way or another. It saddens me to think of what the founders of this country would truly say if they could see us now.

[JBS]

I bees like Snuffy, I wasn't gonna post, either. BUT....IF I live long enough to be alive at the time of her (jane fonda) demise, I plan to throw a party the likes of which you ain't never seen before. It might be with Geritol and Metamucil, but it's gonna happen. Fuggin Bish. And rosie, too!

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I didn't realize we were at war with Hugo Chavez, Larry. When did that happen? And why are we allowing his gasoline to be sold here? Why aren't those gas station owners on trial for treason?

Sorry, folks. I don't believe Jane Fonda extended the war one single day. She was a symptom of the times and the troubles, not the cause of them.

Her actions were reprehensible. But whether they fit the legal definition of treason is another question. I don't think anyone wanted to take a chance on charging her and seeing her acquitted, thereby turning her into a little-person-against-the-big-bad-government hero. That's not a Republican/Democrat thing, and it had nothing to do with who was in the majority in Congress; Congress doesn't run the courts and the Justice Department.

Exactly where... oh where Troy2000 ... did I say we were at war with Hugo Chavez? PLEASE point it out... I might have missed it. Wait, did you assume I said that?

I never said anything about "his" gas stations and "his" gas Troy2000... try getting back on point here, stop diverting the subject.

You are in the minority who feel she was the victim.

Plain and simple... the Govt screwed up and should have tried her for treason. Their failure to do that has set the precedence as we see today from the "beloved" in Hollywood.

Like it or not, it is what it is.

Originally Posted by JBS

I bees like Snuffy, I wasn't gonna post, either. BUT....IF I live long enough to be alive at the time of her (jane fonda) demise, I plan to throw a party the likes of which you ain't never seen before. It might be with Geritol and Metamucil, but it's gonna happen. Fuggin Bish. And rosie, too!

Send me an invite to raise a glass for those Veterans who are no longer able...

[JBS]

This ain't gonna go over too good, but I gots to say it. "I" think that to put her on trial for treason, or anything of that nature, would not only have backfired and failed...it would have turned her into a martyr. I'd much rather piss on her grave, than try her for treason. did i spell martyr rite?

[Pred]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

Exactly where... oh where Troy2000 ... did I say we were at war with Hugo Chavez? PLEASE point it out... I might have missed it. Wait, did you assume I said that?

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... by ignoring her, they set a precedence that is still seen in Hollywood today. I give you Sean Penn, Danny Glover and a few others posing and shaking hands with the likes of Hugo Chavez... a sworn enemy to the United States, just as North Vietnam was..

Did you say we were at war with Hugo Chavez? No. But you made it pretty clear how you felt comparing him/them to North Vietnam.