Cops Stop "Another Virginia Tech" - Page 2

YankeeSpirit76 · 04-05-2008, 02:21 PM

To guys like us, 5000 rds. and 5 AK's sounds perfectly normal. But to people who aren't into the gun thing they must say "wtf is he doing with all that? going to start a war?" This creates a panic among them because the media already has them all convinced that our "assault" weapons are fully automatic like they see in the movies.
That's why I'm very careful of what I say in front of people who don't enjoy my enthusiasm for firearms.

Cyrano · 04-05-2008, 04:54 PM

Yank, I've said this before, but I haven't had a good answer yet. I feel at least part of our problem is these reporters are so ill-educated regarding firearms, they don't know the difference berween a buttplate and a butthole. We might get a fairer shake, or at least more accurate reportage, if we could take reporters down to the local range, run them through Firearms Safety 001, and let them fire for fun with some of the more famous guns they'll have heard of. If you could get a gun club to go along and spread out the cost, it would be worth it.

here's what I'd have/allow them to shoot. Semi-auto versions of the AK; the AR-15; the Garand; the M-1 Carbine; the Mauser 98k; the Springfield; the Mosin-Nagant; a Mossberg 500 or some othe ti-CHAK noise-making pump action shotgun; the M1911A1; the Luger; the Walther PPK or a clone like a Bersa Thunder or a FEG PA-63; a Colt Peacemaker clone; and of course a Smith & Wesson Model 29, just like Dirty Harry's. (Load that last with .44 Specials; no point in scaring them too much.) If I could get the local SWAT team to play along, I would have them bring an MP-5 down to the range, just to show the jackals of the Fourth Estate the difference between full-auto and semi-auto. If the National Guard would play, a real machine gun would be on point here.

I don't know if we'd be able to turn them into believers in the Second Amendment. But by showing them honest citizens who own guns legally are responsible and decent sorts, they might be a little less inclined to slant their articles to the "all-guns-are-evil-and-so-are-those-who-shoot-them" angle. It might be worth trying.

TXplt · 04-05-2008, 05:10 PM

Cyrano,

Excellent idea, and I think we should do it wherever we can -- especially amongst our local reporters and news people. Education is the key for everyone. Maybe they'll begin to get what it's all about.

Don't know if it'll work though -- I just read a few articles sent to me by my folks from US news, etc about the Parker case and all it did was serve to hike my blood pressure. "Generally agreed collective right" and slanted toward gun control. "CCW hasn't helped prevent violent crime (wrong !) etc." "How poorly protected (VT)...." "handgun bans act in the interest of public safety...."

I believe alot of the major media has it's agenda set first (potentially by not that many people), then writes propaganda in an attempt to support this. It's more supporting a dogmatic agenda than finding out facts, assessing the facts, and reporting on the facts. There was nothing reported on how a CCW holder could have stopped the carnage, or how self-defense is an inherent right and responsibility. It was more of the old party line of how can we be protected from ourselves, and NRA bashing because we oppose "reasonable" controls on firearms. This is effectively elaborate chanting to try to get their point across and convince people they're right by sheer volume and quality of the written words themselves, facts be damned.

The good thing is we are getting competing news sources, and have that last electronic bastion of free talk -- the internet. We can also speak out locally every time and set the record straight. We can take our friends shooting so they see what a blast it is. Eventually, the truth does come out (despite the best efforts of miscreants to hide it).

LarryO1970 · 04-05-2008, 06:53 PM

The problem isn't necessarily just the reporter... however, education is key and I agree with that.

The problem also lies with the editors and ownership of the news media. They are the final edit, say, permissions, etc. that allow us to read or see what we do reported in the news. I believe their views are what constitutes the bias.

I wish we had an ethical and truthful news media...

Zephri · 04-05-2008, 08:14 PM

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SPOCAHP ANAR · 04-05-2008, 08:40 PM

The most obvious point is being missed here:

If Pee Wee Herman walked into a biker bar and said line up fellas for your arse whoopin they would laugh at him. If Chuck Norris walked in and said line boys for your arse whoopin the message would be taken a bit more seriously.

What makes this so sensational is that while having 5000 rounds and a number of firearms he made the following remarks: "I'm going to reinact the VA Tech Shooting!"

Having 20 rifles and 5000 rds of ammo makes me a gun collector. Posting messages on the internet that I am going to walk into a large university and open up fire on unarmed students makes me a terrorist!

TXplt · 04-05-2008, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

The most obvious point is being missed here:

If Pee Wee Herman walked into a biker bar and said line up fellas for your arse whoopin they would laugh at him. If Chuck Norris walked in and said line boys for your arse whoopin the message would be taken a bit more seriously.

What makes this so sensational is that while having 5000 rounds and a number of firearms he made the following remarks: "I'm going to reinact the VA Tech Shooting!"

Having 20 rifles and 5000 rds of ammo makes me a gun collector. Posting messages on the internet that I am going to walk into a large university and open up fire on unarmed students makes me a terrorist!

+1

Thanks, you're alot better spoken than me

04-05-2008, 05:10 PM	#23
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,834 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	Cyrano, Excellent idea, and I think we should do it wherever we can -- especially amongst our local reporters and news people. Education is the key for everyone. Maybe they'll begin to get what it's all about. Don't know if it'll work though -- I just read a few articles sent to me by my folks from US news, etc about the Parker case and all it did was serve to hike my blood pressure. "Generally agreed collective right" and slanted toward gun control. "CCW hasn't helped prevent violent crime (wrong !) etc." "How poorly protected (VT)...." "handgun bans act in the interest of public safety...." I believe alot of the major media has it's agenda set first (potentially by not that many people), then writes propaganda in an attempt to support this. It's more supporting a dogmatic agenda than finding out facts, assessing the facts, and reporting on the facts. There was nothing reported on how a CCW holder could have stopped the carnage, or how self-defense is an inherent right and responsibility. It was more of the old party line of how can we be protected from ourselves, and NRA bashing because we oppose "reasonable" controls on firearms. This is effectively elaborate chanting to try to get their point across and convince people they're right by sheer volume and quality of the written words themselves, facts be damned. The good thing is we are getting competing news sources, and have that last electronic bastion of free talk -- the internet. We can also speak out locally every time and set the record straight. We can take our friends shooting so they see what a blast it is. Eventually, the truth does come out (despite the best efforts of miscreants to hide it). __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

04-05-2008, 06:53 PM	#24
LarryO1970 "Blazing Saddles" GOV Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 2,874	The problem isn't necessarily just the reporter... however, education is key and I agree with that. The problem also lies with the editors and ownership of the news media. They are the final edit, say, permissions, etc. that allow us to read or see what we do reported in the news. I believe their views are what constitutes the bias. I wish we had an ethical and truthful news media... __________________ "Guess what?! I've got a fever, and the only prescription... is more cowbell!"

04-05-2008, 08:14 PM	#25
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04-05-2008, 08:40 PM	#26
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,096 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	The most obvious point is being missed here: If Pee Wee Herman walked into a biker bar and said line up fellas for your arse whoopin they would laugh at him. If Chuck Norris walked in and said line boys for your arse whoopin the message would be taken a bit more seriously. What makes this so sensational is that while having 5000 rounds and a number of firearms he made the following remarks: "I'm going to reinact the VA Tech Shooting!" Having 20 rifles and 5000 rds of ammo makes me a gun collector. Posting messages on the internet that I am going to walk into a large university and open up fire on unarmed students makes me a terrorist! __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

04-05-2008, 02:21 PM	#21
YankeeSpirit76 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cranston, Rhode Island Posts: 412	To guys like us, 5000 rds. and 5 AK's sounds perfectly normal. But to people who aren't into the gun thing they must say "wtf is he doing with all that? going to start a war?" This creates a panic among them because the media already has them all convinced that our "assault" weapons are fully automatic like they see in the movies. That's why I'm very careful of what I say in front of people who don't enjoy my enthusiasm for firearms.

04-05-2008, 04:54 PM	#22
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,358	Yank, I've said this before, but I haven't had a good answer yet. I feel at least part of our problem is these reporters are so ill-educated regarding firearms, they don't know the difference berween a buttplate and a butthole. We might get a fairer shake, or at least more accurate reportage, if we could take reporters down to the local range, run them through Firearms Safety 001, and let them fire for fun with some of the more famous guns they'll have heard of. If you could get a gun club to go along and spread out the cost, it would be worth it. here's what I'd have/allow them to shoot. Semi-auto versions of the AK; the AR-15; the Garand; the M-1 Carbine; the Mauser 98k; the Springfield; the Mosin-Nagant; a Mossberg 500 or some othe ti-CHAK noise-making pump action shotgun; the M1911A1; the Luger; the Walther PPK or a clone like a Bersa Thunder or a FEG PA-63; a Colt Peacemaker clone; and of course a Smith & Wesson Model 29, just like Dirty Harry's. (Load that last with .44 Specials; no point in scaring them too much.) If I could get the local SWAT team to play along, I would have them bring an MP-5 down to the range, just to show the jackals of the Fourth Estate the difference between full-auto and semi-auto. If the National Guard would play, a real machine gun would be on point here. I don't know if we'd be able to turn them into believers in the Second Amendment. But by showing them honest citizens who own guns legally are responsible and decent sorts, they might be a little less inclined to slant their articles to the "all-guns-are-evil-and-so-are-those-who-shoot-them" angle. It might be worth trying.