[jtuck]

Personally, I like the .30-06 better than the .308. It's actually a more accurate cartridge. I don't think you will find a better all around cartridge. When the Army and Marine Corps were testing cartridges and calibers for the development of a bolt action sniper rifle they almost went with the .30-06. I would have to get back into my books to find exactly why they changed their mind.

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jtuck

Personally, I like the .30-06 better than the .308. It's actually a more accurate cartridge. I don't think you will find a better all around cartridge. When the Army and Marine Corps were testing cartridges and calibers for the development of a bolt action sniper rifle they almost went with the .30-06. I would have to get back into my books to find exactly why they changed their mind.

They did go with the .30-06........at least for a while. Carlos Hathcock sniped with a Remington 700 in Vietnam, chambered in .30-06. He was a Marine sniper. I believe in his second tour, they changed to a .308.

[sc928porsche]

If you are going to select a rifle for long range hunting, be sure to determine what the of the bullet is at the approximate point of impact. On deer I personally prefer at least 2000 ft lb of energy. I have been frequently accused of being fond of cannons, but a lot has to be said that I don't have to chase any of them after they have been hit.

With that in mind, choose your weapon (I personally prefer .300WM), sight it in at a proper range, and practice, practice, practice. When you get proficient, practice some more! Good Hunting to you!

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by sc928porsche

If you are going to select a rifle for long range hunting, be sure to determine what the of the bullet is at the approximate point of impact. On deer I personally prefer at least 2000 ft lb of energy. I have been frequently accused of being fond of cannons, but a lot has to be said that I don't have to chase any of them after they have been hit. With that in mind, choose your weapon (I personally prefer .300WM), sight it in at a proper range, and practice, practice, practice. When you get proficient, practice some more! Good Hunting to you!

I've never used my .300 Winmag on deer. Does it tear them up? Just wondering. I've read more than once, that a .375 H&H is good for deer. I own one of those, too. Just seems like over-kill to me.

[jtuck]

But Hathcock was basically using an off the shelf hunting rifle, a model 70 if I remember right. It wasn't until after Vietnam that the US military saw the need for a well developed longe range rifle. It was then that they tested several rifles and calibers and settled on the Remington Model 700 in .308 as the platform for the current M24 and M40. Prior to that they just basically ordered hunting rifles off the shelves, or put a scope on an M-14 (M21) or M-1C and D.

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jtuck

But Hathcock was basically using an off the shelf hunting rifle, a model 70 if I remember right. It wasn't until after Vietnam that the US military saw the need for a well developed longe range rifle. It was then that they tested several rifles and calibers and settled on the Remington Model 700 in .308 as the platform for the current M24 and M40. Prior to that they just basically ordered hunting rifles off the shelves, or put a scope on an M-14 (M21) or M-1C and D.

Your right. They would then take those rifles and accurize them. I couldn't remember if it was a Remington or a Winchester. That was when sniping was in it's infancy.

[lefty o]

sniping, infancy- pre civil war.

[jtuck]

If you enjoy reading about snipers, books that I enjoyed are One Shot, One Kill, a collection of sniper stories from all the various wars that America has fought in, and Trigger Men, a general history of sniping in the US military. I can't remember the authors of either one, but both are available at Barnes and Noble. I have two rifles in .30-06; a Garand and a M98 Mauser and I like both of them. They are both MOA rifles out to 800 yards with very little work, and they are good for everything from varmint hunting to big game hunting and target shooting.

[andrew cochran]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jtuck

Personally, I like the .30-06 better than the .308. It's actually a more accurate cartridge. I don't think you will find a better all around cartridge. When the Army and Marine Corps were testing cartridges and calibers for the development of a bolt action sniper rifle they almost went with the .30-06. I would have to get back into my books to find exactly why they changed their mind.

I like .30-06 better than .308

[.280Rem]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Your "little ego"????I must have really hit a nerve with you. LOL! By the way, if it will make you feel better, I compete in 1,000 yd competition in the Memphis area. I have a custom .300 Winmag with a heavy 26 barrel and a Timney trigger. While I could probably drop an elk with that rifle at 600 yds., I choose not to. It has nothing to do with my 'so-called' limitations.........You can go to YouTube and watch videos of folks shooting game at extended yardage. To me, that is nothing more than fodder for the anti-gun movement and as you well know, we are under attack every day! I believe if we were sitting across from each other and drinking a beer, the words exchanged would have been entirely different. You have your opinions and I have mine. I still believe that too many things can go wrong at extended ranges to warrant the shot. I went through military training, too. I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot at a bad guy at extended ranges because he's shooting back! Sniping is my true passion, but I leave that passion at home when I hunt game. I use a .243 for deer. That's about a 200yd. or so deer rifle, because of it's smaller bullet. I might take a shot at 250, but that's stretching it. The energy level drops too much. I'm wanting to get a 6.5 or .260 for future deer hunting. I own a .30-06 and use it when I'm in Oklahoma. My other rifles are a .338 Winmag and a .375 H&H for grizzly and brown bear. The .338 would also cover elk and moose. Oh well, thought I'd give you a little fat to chew before you right me off as an arrogent old coot........As a side note: Go to this site and check out these cannons, Lilja Precision Rifle Barrels - Long Range Shooting Why do you hunt? Are trying to put meat on the table or prove your manhood? I wish all my shots could be at 60 yds. I do it for the meat.

That "I must have hit a nerve" thing...that's such a tired and juvenile internet tactic. Tells me a lot about you. People that think they gain some advantage in a debate by claiming to have "hit a nerve"...they're pathetic! And you're arrogant and pompous to boot.

Hit a nerve? Please! A whack in the head with a brick hits a nerve...you're nothing more than a popcorn fart!

By the way, I hunt to enjoy the outdoors and watch the animals. I hunt for fun, and sport. I rarely actually pull the trigger. I'm not sure what relevance that has to any of this.

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by .280Rem

That "I must have hit a nerve" thing...that's such a tired and juvenile internet tactic. Tells me a lot about you. People that think they gain some advantage in a debate by claiming to have "hit a nerve"...they're pathetic! And you're arrogant and pompous to boot. Hit a nerve? Please! A whack in the head with a brick hits a nerve...you're nothing more than a popcorn fart! By the way, I hunt to enjoy the outdoors and watch the animals. I hunt for fun, and sport. I rarely actually pull the trigger. I'm not sure what relevance that has to any of this.

Whatever.....

[bigbuddy21]

go with a mosin/nagant 91/30 in 7.62x54r that will take a deer at twice that distance. and their less than $100

[maxx]

A 6mm Br or 243 are both exellent rounds and both are very acurate out to 600 yds. Both are used for long range target out to 1000yds in F class comp.
As for hunting 243 is a good deer round I have killed numerous deer out to 250 to 300 yds making clean kills and light damage to meat.
I am a meat hunter and I hunt several states for Whitetail and Mule deer so I have deer meat most of the yr. The 243 is a good all round round for small to medium game. I have had my 243 for 12 yrs and its been great and BTW it is a Mod 700 with a 22 inch barrel and a Simmons 6x24 40mm on top.

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by maxx

A 6mm Br or 243 are both exellent rounds and both are very acurate out to 600 yds. Both are used for long range target out to 1000yds in F class comp. As for hunting 243 is a good deer round I have killed numerous deer out to 250 to 300 yds making clean kills and light damage to meat. I am a meat hunter and I hunt several states for Whitetail and Mule deer so I have deer meat most of the yr. The 243 is a good all round round for small to medium game. I have had my 243 for 12 yrs and its been great and BTW it is a Mod 700 with a 22 inch barrel and a Simmons 6x24 40mm on top.

I've used a .243 for close to 30 years to take deer. It's never let me down as long as I did my job.

[.280Rem]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Whatever.....

Very sharp retort!

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by .280Rem

Very sharp retort!

You're not worth the trouble. Your irrelevant.

[.280Rem]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Brother Bob

You're not worth the trouble. Your irrelevant.

I know you are but what am I? (Just to get down on your level)

[AKHunter]

[Brother Bob]

Quote:       Originally Posted by AKHunter

Sorry. I don't normally stoop to that level.

[SwedeSteve]

I think my 6,5x55 Swede will take deer more efficiently at any reasonable range.