" Out of the box accuracy", what do those words mean to you exactly.
I know many say Savage or Remington takes the cake on this statement. I take it to mean that a new rifle out of the box has some inherent tendency to shoot more accurately than others with FACTORY AMMO at the get go.
I have never been one to rely on factory fodder for any of my firearms so I don't give any credit to the statement really, I handload almost exclusively for everything I shoot aside from rimfire of course, but I can see how it might make some sense.
So I am curious what that statement means to you .
I think for most shooters it means getting the rifle, and shooting store bought ammo. Most people don't modify their rifle, and a lot of people don't handload, either.
I generally leave my rifle fairly plain, I usually do a little trigger work, and thats it. After that, I find a load it likes, and save the recipie. If I can shoot good out to 350 with any centerfire I own, thats all I really ask for.
i have heard of a lot of these rifles with sub-MOA out of the box with a certain type of ammo and they couldn't hit the side of a barn at ten paces, i myself have always brought second hand rifles and built them up, but i think this might be a sales gimmick.
For the term "Out of the box accuracy", I demand a consistent and repeatable one inch group at 100 yards, with at least one brand of factory ammo. Just my personal view.
your right there Big Dog, i like so many shooters in aus reload because u cant get the consistancy out of factory ammo like you can out of home loads, plus its more fun to reload.
For the term "Out of the box accuracy", I demand a consistent and repeatable one inch group at 100 yards, with at least one brand of factory ammo. Just my personal view.
+1..... I totally agree with that definition, and will go one step farther. I do not think any factory rifle in a factory loaded caliber should have to have "pet" loads worked up for which to get acceptable accuracy. (read that 1.5-2" groups @100yds). Many of you may laugh at the group sizes mentioned, but as far as big game hunting is concerned any range at which a rifle will give you 6-8" groups is as far as one should attemt a shot(with that rifle). For most hunters I've ever known translating that to 400yards is giving them a signifcant buffer of where their own knowledge of ballistics, trajectory and skill to make the shot for their round ends, and, the rifle will continue to perform. Ask the average hunter where his/her rifle is zeroed (most will say around 100yds) and then ask them where their round will strike on a 400yd target and see what the responses are. I promise you'll be surprised. Handloading should have zero to do with what people will associate with the term "out of the box accuracy" in my opinion.
I take it to mean the gun without modifications such as adjusting the trigger pull weight (beyond what can be done in stock condition), no bedding, no replaced parts, or blueprinting.I don't take it to mean any restriction on ammunition manufacturer or handloaded or not.
Definition to me: Open box, mount scope, load, fire 3-5 shot group with 1 MOA or better at any reasonable (for the caliber) range. Be able to repeat it many times.
Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca
Posts: 23,061
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Shooter
Definition to me: Open box, mount scope, load, fire 3-5 shot group with 1 MOA or better at any reasonable (for the caliber) range. Be able to repeat it many times.
yep
__________________ "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
Definition to me: Open box, mount scope, load, fire 3-5 shot group with 1 MOA or better at any reasonable (for the caliber) range. Be able to repeat it many times.
+5 To me if it shoots good out of the box with factory it should be even better with the right hand load. You don't have to rework the entire rifle to get it to shoot. I bought a Savage bolt because of the out of the box acur. claim and have not been sorry, it shoots better than I do. I did not even adjust the trigger on it, it was good from the get go. I know there are many rifles that can be made to shoot great but not everyone has the time, talent, or money to do this.
I personally believe that most (if not all) modern quality rifles are capable of more accuracy "out of the box" than 95% of the people that buy them, so in reality, it doesn't mean much.
It's kinda like Chris Farley's version of "The Guarantee on the box" ... from Tommy Boy.
I believe it is safe to say that with the right marriage of ammo, particular firearm and shooter... this is the only way to get "out of the box" accuracy.
__________________ You don't scare me! Work on it!
The 'Man Behind The Trigger' has much to do with it too. Many factory rifles have very good 'out of the box accuracy', but when Bubba takes it into the woods - he misses that nive buck!
I always get a good laugh when he comes to the range from the woods, to find out how far 'off' his scope is.
Then he proceeds to shoot a good group on paper!
The best "out of the box" factory accuracy will normally vary with the gun. Most guns will shoot one brand of factory ammo better than another. Most people say that premium ammo shoots better, (which it should at $20+ a box). Having been a reloader for 40+ years my opinion is that factory ammo is good for two things:
1). Shots at 100 yards or less
2). Brass, (if it happens to be the brand I use).
Last edited by cabincowboy; 04-10-2008 at 11:13 AM.
Reason: missed word
