check this out about gas!!!!

tommy · 04-15-2008, 07:40 PM

Tips On Filling Up At
The Gas Station
Author Not Known
4-9-8

I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in
California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my
line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some
tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon..
Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we
deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the
pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline,
regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total
capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. Only buy or fill up your car or
truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried
below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when
it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the
evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum
business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline,
diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an
important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for
this business. But the service stations do not have temperature
compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a
fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three
(3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping
on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while
you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are
pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank
becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the
underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is
HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you
have in your tank the less air occupying i ts empty space. Gasoline
evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an
internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the
gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike
service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is
temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact
amount. Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping
into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most
likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being
delivered, and you might pick up some f the dirt that normally
settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for
your money. DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!

WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON Gas
rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It
might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods.
We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott
their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting
more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia .. Just buy from gas
companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is
more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank,
I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family,
and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know
which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies import Middle Eastern oil. These companies import Middle
Eastern oil:
Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo gas is from South America, from Hugo Chavez' Venezuela.
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
BILLION! (oil is now $100+ a barrel) Here are some large companies
that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Earl Easter · 04-15-2008, 08:01 PM

Thanks Tommy all good to know. Especially me racing the pump to get out of there a few seconds quicker. Now i'll just pump her slow "The gas that is"......LOL
I did buy at Exxon a few years ago but the sticker on the pump was expired by a year a few months and did not trust the foreign dude. Especially after i measured the gas and did the math he was cheating me on a few pennies per gallon time 1000 other folks. When i approached him about it he got in my space, we came this close to a fist fight. He was a little tea bag with a big belly and my 170 lb little backside pushed him back in his hole. Probably caught on tape that he erased. Thank You again for the good information every little bit helps.....

Marine1 · 04-16-2008, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Easter

Thanks Tommy all good to know. Especially me racing the pump to get out of there a few seconds quicker. Now i'll just pump her slow "The gas that is"......LOL
I did buy at Exxon a few years ago but the sticker on the pump was expired by a year a few months and did not trust the foreign dude. Especially after i measured the gas and did the math he was cheating me on a few pennies per gallon time 1000 other folks. When i approached him about it he got in my space, we came this close to a fist fight. He was a little tea bag with a big belly and my 170 lb little backside pushed him back in his hole. Probably caught on tape that he erased. Thank You again for the good information every little bit helps.....

We had one of those here @ a Citgo station. I went in to get some gas for my lawn mower (1) gallon can. Upon completion, the pump meter read 1.0 gallons. My US certified plastic gallon can was only 3/4 full. Problem here is, (from the information I obtained) there are only some (4) Department of Weights and Measures Field working Inspectors in the entire state. I turned in a complaint, anyway. A few months later, (rumored to be an IRS seizure), the station was closed. If so, justice was served by another light.

ArkansasHunter · 04-16-2008, 01:20 AM

I think I'll test this and go fill up a gas can in the early morning real slow and fill up another at the hottest time of day.
I don't think I'll see a noticeble differents.
If the tanks are in the ground and pipes too , well we'll see.

Lng Rng · 04-16-2008, 01:35 AM

I am not sure how much good the cold ground theory works. Even when it is sub zero here, you are still going to take a healthy hit on fuel economy, no matter how much "extra" you are getting out of the pump.

Either way, its still good information.

GlockMeister · 04-16-2008, 01:45 AM

One reason I won't buy my gas at a Citgo is because they're owned or it's owned buy Chavez. I believe that's who.

As for the not filling up while a tanker is filling up the station tanks, that I did know.

I'm not sure how much gas you'll actually get or lose in the vapors?

As for ground temperature, not sure how that affects. I know I don't get anymore gas in the winter then I do in the summer. And we all know how cold the ground is in the winter in those states that get snow fall. Also, when it's 80 or 90 degrees all night long, kind of makes no difference to me anyhow if it's 81 or 91 degrees when I get gas.

As for the keep your tank full thing, that I've heard before. Also, your vehicle uses less gas when full vs being low. But this affects cars with mechanical fuel pumps more than electronic fuel pumps. Most cars now have electronic fuel pumps. But those of you who still drive the good oldies, with mechanical fuel pumps, keep it full as the motor will not have to work as hard to pump the gas from the tank to the carbs. My dad always said that. lol God rest his soul.

All in all Billy, good find and thanks for posting. It would sure be nice if there was someone who could truly substantiate all these claims. Some I know from working at a station, such as the not fill up while a tanker is there. I'm not sure of the floating lid on storage tanks though. When I did work at a station, and at the end of my shift or before closing I'd have to dip the tanks and take a measurement, there was only one lid to open to do it and nothing else inside. Unless he speaks of new storage tanks? Also, even if he is, many times I closed at night and then opened in the morning. I'd have to dip both times and I never really saw much difference so I'm not sure about the evaporation thing?

Seabeescotty · 04-16-2008, 06:43 AM

I heard a story, prob'ly urban legend, that a truck stop in Ca. heated their fuel, to make more profit. The fuel would come in at night, and would be cool, and then get warmed up in the tanks, and they made money off it. The story goes that they got busted, and fined heavily for this practice. I don't know how to confirm the story, as it happened twenty years ago.

tommy · 04-16-2008, 07:34 AM

i think the best info of the post is the not to fillup when you see a tanker truck delivering feul becuase of him stiring up the muck at the bottom of the tank. that might be bad. i know they have filters but some must pass through them right? and as for as the cold and hot gas if you leave a plastic can outside and watchit during the day it will exspand fromt the heat and at night the sides will cave in from the cold so there must be something to it . not to mention hot and cold water cold water is more dense than hot just like they have been makin the natural gas to transport they freeze it and then when they get to a location the pump it out and warm it up i seen it on disc,channel they said they can transport more feul that way when it's cold/frozen.

Earl Easter · 04-16-2008, 07:39 AM

Marine1
That what you have done was the most educated approach in turning the cheater in to the authorities. I should have done the same....I hate to complain about a few pennies and
i am not really cheap, i guess my blood pressure was high that day. I lost it on him big time. But one or two pennies times many thousands adds up. He was not there a few months later, as i drove by the place. You know fact is most of the foreign folks that i will not give an origin, have businesses out of country. They wait till they become a certain age and move into America. They then put in so many quarters of employment and forward there money to European banks to reach there retirement age and work stats and collect Social Security as they move back to there foreign land. Proof from a retired fella that spilled the beans to him at his retirement job. "I have only 1 year so many months to move back to my country and collect from United States Social Security"...... smiling with a chit eatin grin................
The United States also i believe will forward a certain amount of money to those that want to start a business. Maybe the government should look into that one real seriously. No wonder SS is running out of money.....

Legba · 04-16-2008, 08:15 AM

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Saudi Gas Boycott

Ive seen this e-mail countless times. Who knows what the truth is anymore.

haiki · 04-28-2008, 06:18 PM

Fill up your tank for $7

For seniors and others who may only drive their car a few times per week on short trips, you can fill your gas tank for $7. How you ask? This is easy on the pocket book, and one that I prefer. The next time you fill your tank and you make a short trip, your tank is about perhaps 2 gallons short. On your next outing pull into the gas station and put in about $7 worth, no more. So your tank is not completely full perhaps. Well on your next trip get $7 more, no more. Try it, you'll like it. Isn't it a little bit better than spending $50 or more filling up?

Remember back when we had to get in line to get gasoline, because of a shortage? The administration can't bring that up, because their is no shortage. Otherwise we would be standing in lines again.

Somehow if people can get back into driving just to buy ice cream at their favorite store, or just window shop at the local mall, and you know how that goes, then and only then money will be spent, and the economy will pickup.

This is from a Phillip Hollsworth, who offered this good idea. When pulling in to a service station, just make sure,... "For the rest of this year, DON’T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL." When looking to purchase gasoline, there should be no hassle about driving around looking for another gas station, just look across the street, for another oil company.

"If they do not sell any gas, then they will be inclined to reduce their prices. Once they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit."

04-15-2008, 07:40 PM	#1
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,889 Trader Rating: (0)	check this out about gas!!!! Tips On Filling Up At The Gas Station Author Not Known 4-9-8 I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon.. Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying i ts empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount. Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some f the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money. DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS! WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia .. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil. These companies import Middle Eastern oil: Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels Citgo gas is from South America, from Hugo Chavez' Venezuela. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $100+ a barrel) Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-16-2008, 01:45 AM	#6
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,882 Trader Rating: (0)	One reason I won't buy my gas at a Citgo is because they're owned or it's owned buy Chavez. I believe that's who. As for the not filling up while a tanker is filling up the station tanks, that I did know. I'm not sure how much gas you'll actually get or lose in the vapors? As for ground temperature, not sure how that affects. I know I don't get anymore gas in the winter then I do in the summer. And we all know how cold the ground is in the winter in those states that get snow fall. Also, when it's 80 or 90 degrees all night long, kind of makes no difference to me anyhow if it's 81 or 91 degrees when I get gas. As for the keep your tank full thing, that I've heard before. Also, your vehicle uses less gas when full vs being low. But this affects cars with mechanical fuel pumps more than electronic fuel pumps. Most cars now have electronic fuel pumps. But those of you who still drive the good oldies, with mechanical fuel pumps, keep it full as the motor will not have to work as hard to pump the gas from the tank to the carbs. My dad always said that. lol God rest his soul. All in all Billy, good find and thanks for posting. It would sure be nice if there was someone who could truly substantiate all these claims. Some I know from working at a station, such as the not fill up while a tanker is there. I'm not sure of the floating lid on storage tanks though. When I did work at a station, and at the end of my shift or before closing I'd have to dip the tanks and take a measurement, there was only one lid to open to do it and nothing else inside. Unless he speaks of new storage tanks? Also, even if he is, many times I closed at night and then opened in the morning. I'd have to dip both times and I never really saw much difference so I'm not sure about the evaporation thing? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-16-2008, 06:43 AM	#7
Seabeescotty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country. Posts: 3,678 Trader Rating: (0)	I heard a story, prob'ly urban legend, that a truck stop in Ca. heated their fuel, to make more profit. The fuel would come in at night, and would be cool, and then get warmed up in the tanks, and they made money off it. The story goes that they got busted, and fined heavily for this practice. I don't know how to confirm the story, as it happened twenty years ago. __________________ Adapt, improvise, overcome.-Gysgt Highway, Heartbreak Ridge

04-16-2008, 07:34 AM	#8
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,889 Trader Rating: (0)	i think the best info of the post is the not to fillup when you see a tanker truck delivering feul becuase of him stiring up the muck at the bottom of the tank. that might be bad. i know they have filters but some must pass through them right? and as for as the cold and hot gas if you leave a plastic can outside and watchit during the day it will exspand fromt the heat and at night the sides will cave in from the cold so there must be something to it . not to mention hot and cold water cold water is more dense than hot just like they have been makin the natural gas to transport they freeze it and then when they get to a location the pump it out and warm it up i seen it on disc,channel they said they can transport more feul that way when it's cold/frozen. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Last edited by tommy; 04-16-2008 at 07:39 AM.

04-28-2008, 06:18 PM	#11
haiki Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0)	For those short drives, a tip. Fill up your tank for $7 For seniors and others who may only drive their car a few times per week on short trips, you can fill your gas tank for $7. How you ask? This is easy on the pocket book, and one that I prefer. The next time you fill your tank and you make a short trip, your tank is about perhaps 2 gallons short. On your next outing pull into the gas station and put in about $7 worth, no more. So your tank is not completely full perhaps. Well on your next trip get $7 more, no more. Try it, you'll like it. Isn't it a little bit better than spending $50 or more filling up? Remember back when we had to get in line to get gasoline, because of a shortage? The administration can't bring that up, because their is no shortage. Otherwise we would be standing in lines again. Somehow if people can get back into driving just to buy ice cream at their favorite store, or just window shop at the local mall, and you know how that goes, then and only then money will be spent, and the economy will pickup. This is from a Phillip Hollsworth, who offered this good idea. When pulling in to a service station, just make sure,... "For the rest of this year, DON’T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL." When looking to purchase gasoline, there should be no hassle about driving around looking for another gas station, just look across the street, for another oil company. "If they do not sell any gas, then they will be inclined to reduce their prices. Once they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit."

04-15-2008, 08:01 PM	#2
Earl Easter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 608 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks Tommy all good to know. Especially me racing the pump to get out of there a few seconds quicker. Now i'll just pump her slow "The gas that is"......LOL I did buy at Exxon a few years ago but the sticker on the pump was expired by a year a few months and did not trust the foreign dude. Especially after i measured the gas and did the math he was cheating me on a few pennies per gallon time 1000 other folks. When i approached him about it he got in my space, we came this close to a fist fight. He was a little tea bag with a big belly and my 170 lb little backside pushed him back in his hole. Probably caught on tape that he erased. Thank You again for the good information every little bit helps.....

04-16-2008, 01:20 AM	#4
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,466 Trader Rating: (0)	I think I'll test this and go fill up a gas can in the early morning real slow and fill up another at the hottest time of day. I don't think I'll see a noticeble differents. If the tanks are in the ground and pipes too , well we'll see.

04-16-2008, 01:35 AM	#5
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	I am not sure how much good the cold ground theory works. Even when it is sub zero here, you are still going to take a healthy hit on fuel economy, no matter how much "extra" you are getting out of the pump. Either way, its still good information.

04-16-2008, 07:39 AM	#9
Earl Easter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 608 Trader Rating: (0)	Marine1 That what you have done was the most educated approach in turning the cheater in to the authorities. I should have done the same....I hate to complain about a few pennies and i am not really cheap, i guess my blood pressure was high that day. I lost it on him big time. But one or two pennies times many thousands adds up. He was not there a few months later, as i drove by the place. You know fact is most of the foreign folks that i will not give an origin, have businesses out of country. They wait till they become a certain age and move into America. They then put in so many quarters of employment and forward there money to European banks to reach there retirement age and work stats and collect Social Security as they move back to there foreign land. Proof from a retired fella that spilled the beans to him at his retirement job. "I have only 1 year so many months to move back to my country and collect from United States Social Security"...... smiling with a chit eatin grin................ The United States also i believe will forward a certain amount of money to those that want to start a business. Maybe the government should look into that one real seriously. No wonder SS is running out of money.....

04-16-2008, 08:15 AM	#10
Legba Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 172 Trader Rating: (0)	Urban Legends Reference Pages: Saudi Gas Boycott Ive seen this e-mail countless times. Who knows what the truth is anymore.