[GlockMeister]

Or is this a way of saying say a gun owner, who has strong views and opinions could be considered an enemy of the state or too radicalized if they decide to protest or something? I mean couldn't anyone who is against something be labeled this?

I mean you factor this, with the post about American soldiers asked if they'd shoot Americans. Then there's the post about the agreement with Canada for during a civil disorder either would assist in the others country.

Sounds to me, from what I read, they may go after militias and any other gun owners who say anything against the Government. I have a funny feeling, had it for a while now, something coming. I have a feeling this country is going to be divided and when it happens, outsiders will attack and this country will be in serious trouble..To many signs things just aren't right. Our Government is taking a posture as if they have something they are preparing for. Call it a conspiracy theory or whatever you wish.

This is a scary thing that looks like will become law. This is what I've feared, our Government is passing laws and stripping the Bill of Rights and we only hear about it if someone digs deep enough or after the fact.

Wish I had the ability and know how to see just how many things have been stripped from the Bill of Rights in the last seven years as it says? Anyone good at doing this kind of stuff?

[AKHunter]

Aaarrghhh i lost it all ! I had some interesting points and was trying to get a viable link for you all to the bill. It poofed on me grrrr. The bill is HR1955 it is sponsored by a Dem. co-sponsored by 9 other Dems and 4 Republicans. It passed the house in Oct. 07'. there are 4 versions.

It reeks of civil rights violations, big brother, more bureaucracy, social engineering and so on. Once I regain some patience and more time I will point out a few concerns to me. Even in scanning it I saw far too many opportunities for potential abuse by the powers that be.

[Seabeescotty]

Sounds like it's time to call 'em on it, and demand to know just what our little, elected monkeys are doing behind our backs up there on the hill!

[Windwalker]

Every member here needs to contact their Senator immediately asking then to vote against the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. If labeled as such by the Government you would lose all your Constitutional Rights. Russia and China have used this type of law to kill and jail any person they declared an enemy of the State. America doesn't need this. We must stop it from becoming law.

[Pred]

This bill is going to pass. The only thing speaking out on it will do is get you added to the top of the list. Time to stock up on guns and ammo. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

[LarryO1970]

What I'd like to know... why is it that our politicians never once asked our thoughts on this... kinda like the NAFTA highway... ?

Last I checked, the politicians are supposed to be working for us, not the other way around.

[Pred]

Kind of interesting when you add this to the deal that the US and Canada made to use each others troops in the event of "civil unrest". And that deal didn't even go through congress.

[LarryO1970]

exactly my point.

[SKS NOOB]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

This bill is going to pass. The only thing speaking out on it will do is get you added to the top of the list. Time to stock up on guns and ammo. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

Why wait until we have to shoot your guns when we can start now by "shooting our mouths"? The word play was not intended as an insult but more of a motivator that no matter how good your intentions of stocking up, there is still the matter of the rest of us. One person with a whole bunch of guns and ammo is just that. A person with a bunch of guns and ammo. Especially if things go bad for our gun rights. If you are isolated and alone, it won't matter how much you have. An individual will be considered "just another gun nut" and it will fuel the anti-gunners propaganda.

If we store up, we should also consider storing up as a vast group. The government would'nt DARE try to amass the LEO's, feds, and etc. needed for that kind of opperation. I'm tellin ya, unity is the way to go. Not like Rambo.

[Windwalker]

If it passes, Patriot will become a dirty word to the Government.

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Windwalker

If it passes, Patriot will become a dirty word to the Government.

It was once before... at the birth of our nation. Maybe it is time again.

[AKHunter]

Ok, here are some concerning excerpts in particular:

Quote:      

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. `(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

• • Quote:      

    `SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES. `(a) Establishment- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States (hereinafter referred to as `Center') following the merit-review processes and procedures and other limitations that have been previously established for selecting and supporting University Programs Centers of Excellence. The Center shall assist Federal, State, local and tribal homeland security officials through training, education, and research in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. In carrying out this section, the Secretary may choose to either create a new Center designed exclusively for the purpose stated herein or identify and expand an existing Department of Homeland Security Center of Excellence so that a working group is exclusively designated within the existing Center of Excellence to achieve the purpose set forth in subsection (b).

    • The one that REALLY concerns me !
    • Quote:      

      `(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.

Force is not defined, force often is used in many ways that never require any physical action , I see this as a potential threat to the 1st amendment and the freedom to assemble.

A university... could this be another advancement towards social engineering ? Which university I wonder, do they have in mind.

The last excerpt is the real kicker here. Now what do those 3 countries have so glaringly in common ? Some of the most restrictive firearm laws on the globe !Now I won't say that Australia and Canada have'nt suffered from terrorist acts but, I surely cannot recall (or it has'nt been reproted in the US) a historical trend and/or catastrophic acts of terrorism in these 2 countries, it may very well be true. Does anyone have a littel insight on that ?

[ArkansasHunter]

Forgive me for asking and yes I'm the dumbest member at Gun and Game. But why is our goverment doing this shit against it's people ?
All this stuff you read about here is pointing to some kind of subpression and I beleive it.
To me it looks like our elect are trying to be like Russia and East Germany was.
BUT WHY ???
Is there a sceret group of people doing this that has power over our federal goverment ?
Makes you wonder.

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

Kind of interesting when you add this to the deal that the US and Canada made to use each others troops in the event of "civil unrest". And that deal didn't even go through congress.

Ok, what, is my post/reply invisible or something? lmao I said that already.

[oldjarhead]

Here's the whole thing...it was passed 10/07 but just now we are learning about it.



Text of Legislation

HR 1955 RFS

110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 1955
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IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

October 24, 2007
Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs


AN ACTTo prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.

• Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

• This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

• (a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:

`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism


`SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

• `For purposes of this subtitle:
  • `(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.
    `(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
    `(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
    `(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

• `The Congress finds the following:
  • `(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.
    `(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.
    `(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.
    `(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.
    `(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.
    `(6) Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.
    `(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.
    `(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.
    `(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.

`SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

• `(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.
  `(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:
  • `(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.
    `(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--
    • `(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;
      `(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and
      `(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.
  `(c) Composition of Commission- The Commission shall be composed of 10 members appointed for the life of the Commission, of whom--
  • `(1) one member shall be appointed by the President from among officers or employees of the executive branch and private citizens of the United States;
    `(2) one member shall be appointed by the Secretary;
    `(3) one member shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;
    `(4) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate;
    `(5) one member shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;
    `(6) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives;
    `(7) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;
    `(8) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;
    `(9) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate; and
    `(10) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.
  `(d) Chair and Vice Chair- The Commission shall elect a Chair and a Vice Chair from among its members.
  `(e) Qualifications- Individuals shall be selected for appointment to the Commission solely on the basis of their professional qualifications, achievements, public stature, experience, and expertise in relevant fields, including, but not limited to, behavioral science, constitutional law, corrections, counterterrorism, cultural anthropology, education, information technology, intelligence, juvenile justice, local law enforcement, organized crime, Islam and other world religions, sociology, or terrorism.
  `(f) Deadline for Appointment- All members of the Commission shall be appointed no later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this subtitle.
  `(g) Quorum and Meetings- The Commission shall meet and begin the operations of the Commission not later than 30 days after the date on which all members have been appointed or, if such meeting cannot be mutually agreed upon, on a date designated by the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Each subsequent meeting shall occur upon the call of the Chair or a majority of its members. A majority of the members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number may hold meetings.
  `(h) Authority of Individuals to Act for Commission- Any member of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action that the Commission is authorized to take under this Act.
  `(i) Powers of Commission- The powers of the Commission shall be as follows:
  • `(1) IN GENERAL-
    • `(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.
      `(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.
    `(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES-
    • `(A) IN GENERAL- The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent practicable and authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.
      `(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- The Committee and its staff shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate information in a manner consistent with the operative statutes, regulations, and Executive orders that govern the handling, storage, and dissemination of such information at the department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality that responds to the request.
  `(j) Assistance From Federal Agencies-
  • `(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission's functions.
    `(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.
  `(k) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.
  `(l) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.
  `(m) Public Meetings-
  • `(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate.
    `(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order including subsection (i)(2)(B).
  `(n) Staff of Commission-
  • `(1) APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION- The Chair of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chair and in accordance with rules adopted by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its functions, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such title relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the maximum rate of pay for GS-15 under the General Schedule.
    `(2) STAFF EXPERTISE- Individuals shall be selected for appointment as staff of the Commission on the basis of their expertise in one or more of the fields referred to in subsection (e).
    `(3) PERSONNEL AS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES-
    • `(A) IN GENERAL- The executive director and any employees of the Commission shall be employees under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code, for purposes of chapters 63, 81, 83, 84, 85, 87, 89, and 90 of that title.
      `(B) MEMBERS OF COMMISSION- Subparagraph (A) shall not be construed to apply to members of the Commission.
    `(4) DETAILEES- Any Federal Government employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and during such detail shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of his or her regular employment without interruption.
    `(5) CONSULTANT SERVICES- The Commission may procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, but at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.
    `(6) EMPHASIS ON SECURITY CLEARANCES- The Commission shall make it a priority to hire as employees and retain as contractors and detailees individuals otherwise authorized by this section who have active security clearances.
  `(o) Commission Personnel Matters-
  • `(1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS- Each member of the Commission who is not an employee of the government shall be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.
    `(2) TRAVEL EXPENSES- While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, at rates authorized for employees of agencies under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, while away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission.
    `(3) TRAVEL ON ARMED FORCES CONVEYANCES- Members and personnel of the Commission may travel on aircraft, vehicles, or other conveyances of the Armed Forces of the United States when such travel is necessary in the performance of a duty of the Commission, unless the cost of commercial transportation is less expensive.
    `(4) TREATMENT OF SERVICE FOR PURPOSES OF RETIREMENT BENEFITS- A member of the Commission who is an annuitant otherwise covered by section 8344 or 8468 of title 5, United States Code, by reason of membership on the Commission shall not be subject to the provisions of such section with respect to membership on the Commission.
    `(5) VACANCIES- A vacancy on the Commission shall not affect its powers and shall be filled in the manner in which the original appointment was made. The appointment of the replacement member shall be made not later than 60 days after the date on which the vacancy occurs.
  `(p) Security Clearances- The heads of appropriate departments and agencies of the executive branch shall cooperate with the Commission to expeditiously provide Commission members and staff with appropriate security clearances to the extent possible under applicable procedures and requirements.
  `(q) Reports-
  • `(1) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report of its findings and conclusions, legislative recommendations for immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States, and any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes. The report may also be accompanied by a classified annex.
    `(2) INTERIM REPORTS- The Commission shall submit to the President and Congress--
    • `(A) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, a first interim report on--
      • `(i) its findings and conclusions and legislative recommendations for the purposes described in paragraph (1); and
        `(ii) its recommendations on the feasibility of a grant program established and administered by the Secretary for the purpose of preventing, disrupting, and mitigating the effects of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and, if such a program is feasible, recommendations on how grant funds should be used and administered; and
      `(B) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission submits the interim report under subparagraph (A), a second interim report on such matters.
    `(3) INDIVIDUAL OR DISSENTING VIEWS- Each member of the Commission may include in each report under this subsection the individual additional or dissenting views of the member.
    `(4) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY- The Commission shall release a public version of each report required under this subsection.
  `(r) Availability of Funding- Amounts made available to the Commission to carry out this section shall remain available until the earlier of the expenditure of the amounts or the termination of the Commission.
  `(s) Termination of Commission- The Commission shall terminate 30 days after the date on which the Commission submits its final report.

`SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

• `(a) Establishment- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States (hereinafter referred to as `Center') following the merit-review processes and procedures and other limitations that have been previously established for selecting and supporting University Programs Centers of Excellence. The Center shall assist Federal, State, local and tribal homeland security officials through training, education, and research in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. In carrying out this section, the Secretary may choose to either create a new Center designed exclusively for the purpose stated herein or identify and expand an existing Department of Homeland Security Center of Excellence so that a working group is exclusively designated within the existing Center of Excellence to achieve the purpose set forth in subsection (b).
  `(b) Purpose- It shall be the purpose of the Center to study the social, criminal, political, psychological, and economic roots of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States and methods that can be utilized by Federal, State, local, and tribal homeland security officials to mitigate violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.
  `(c) Activities- In carrying out this section, the Center shall--
  • `(1) contribute to the establishment of training, written materials, information, analytical assistance and professional resources to aid in combating violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism;
    `(2) utilize theories, methods and data from the social and behavioral sciences to better understand the origins, dynamics, and social and psychological aspects of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism;
    `(3) conduct research on the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism; and
    `(4) coordinate with other academic institutions studying the effects of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism where appropriate.

`SEC. 899E. PREVENTING VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM THROUGH INTERNATIONAL COOPERATIVE EFFORTS.

• `(a) International Effort- The Secretary shall, in cooperation with the Department of State, the Attorney General, and other Federal Government entities, as appropriate, conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in their respective nations.
  `(b) Implementation- To the extent that methodologies are permissible under the Constitution, the Secretary shall use the results of the survey as an aid in developing, in consultation with the Attorney General, a national policy in the United States on addressing radicalization and homegrown terrorism.
  `(c) Reports to Congress- The Secretary shall submit a report to Congress that provides--
  • `(1) a brief description of the foreign partners participating in the survey; and
    `(2) a description of lessons learned from the results of the survey and recommendations implemented through this international outreach.

`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

• `(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.
  `(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.
  `(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security shall develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and shall include the results of audits under such mechanism in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.
  (b) Clerical Amendment- The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:

`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism

• • `Sec. 899A. Definitions.
    `Sec. 899B. Findings.
    `Sec. 899C. National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Ideologically Based Violence.
    `Sec. 899D. Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States.
    `Sec. 899E. Preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperative efforts.
    `Sec. 899F. Protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism.'.

Passed the House of Representatives October 23, 2007.
Attest:
LORRAINE C. MILLER,

[LarryO1970]

We can thank these people...
Sponsor:Rep. Jane Harman [D-CA]hide cosponsors
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Rep. Christopher Carney [D-PA]
Del. Donna Christensen [D-VI]
Rep. Yvette Clarke [D-NY]
Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA]
Rep. Norman Dicks [D-WA]
Rep. Al Green [D-TX]
Rep. James Langevin [D-RI]
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]
Rep. Nita Lowey [D-NY]
Rep. Daniel Lungren [R-CA]
Rep. Ed Perlmutter [D-CO]
Rep. Ted Poe [R-TX]
Rep. Dave Reichert [R-WA]
Rep. Bennie Thompson [D-MS]

Click here for 4 full quotes on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.

* Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
* Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
* Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology. (Aug 2000)
* Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)

[AKHunter]

A letter to my US Senator Ted Stevens from me is in the pipe. I am anxious to see the reply concerning his stance on this, if indeed he reveals it.

[Coeloptera]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Forgive me for asking and yes I'm the dumbest member at Gun and Game. But why is our goverment doing this shit against it's people ? All this stuff you read about here is pointing to some kind of subpression and I beleive it. To me it looks like our elect are trying to be like Russia and East Germany was. BUT WHY ??? Is there a sceret group of people doing this that has power over our federal goverment ? Makes you wonder.

You don't need some secret conspiracy. It's more simple and frightening than that.

Look at it this way. It is often said that those who most desire to be in charge are the ones that least deserve it.

Think about it. Who here would really want to become POTUS? I mean really, with all that comes with it and all you must do. How about Congress? You want about 1/4 of your time spent on figuring out ways to get reelected?

Think long and hard about the kind of person it takes to do these things, by and large. Nowadays, it seems like you'd have to suffer from some sort of low-grade megalomania to want and to follow through with this. In order to be a politician you have to be wealthy. You have to be wealthy enough that having "enough" money isn't an issue for you, not even on your radar.

If you get there, do you think, if you were that sort of person, you'd want there to be much chance that the people could do anything about your hard-won power? Of course not.

People stay in Congress for decades. They get used to having that power as a matter of course. If they get into positions with term limits what happens after? They get private-sector jobs that let them still exercise their power.

You don't need meetings in shadowy back rooms to explain this. This is the result of like-minded people acting in concert because it's in their best interests to do so.

- Coeloptera

[LarryO1970]

okay... I'll ask. Is there a move against repealing HR 1955 by the citizens?

How do we ... as citizens, challenge the validity of HR 1955 since it so completely affects our Constitutional Rights?

[GlockMeister]

Look at all those D's in that list of those we need to thank you. And the D isn't the grade they got, that I'd say would be an F. We know what the D represents????

And I hear ya' LarryO, how do we argue the validity of it? And the moment we do, we're combative and more then likely added to a list as such and labeled an enemy of the state???

I wish I could convince every one to not vote at all this year. Just to make a statement. Not that I want Bush in there any longer. As for him, I don't hate the guy. He did make some mistakes. But I sure as hell wouldn't want that job. Not in a million years. There would always be someone I couldn't make happy...

I tell you what, there have been about 3 or 4 real concerning things that have been brought up/posted that has me really seriously concerned...