Would you shoot? - Page 3

Lng Rng · 04-17-2008, 04:45 PM

Given the circumstances, I probably would have figured that if he was not uniformed, he is probably a hostile force, and more than likely would have taken the shot.

Either way, I think it is tough for anybody to say what they would have done, you probably don't know until a situation like that arises.

sell33 · 04-17-2008, 04:46 PM

If someone is coming at me with a gun on the ready and doesn't respond when i say stop, in any language,his or mine, he is going to catch lead. He should at least make it known that he means no harm if he hears you yelling in any language.

LarryO1970 · 04-17-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lng Rng

Given the circumstances, I probably would have figured that if he was not uniformed, he is probably a hostile force, and more than likely would have taken the shot.

Either way, I think it is tough for anybody to say what they would have done, you probably don't know until a situation like that arises.

... you are getting warmer...

ezearln · 04-17-2008, 04:47 PM

Larry my friend it is mere semantics between a war and an "Operation" the bullets and bombs are just as real and just as deadly, the dead are just as dead as the broken and bleeding are just as broken. As I said before based on you basic desription I most likely WOULD have fired but then again I wasn't there and there are nuances to every scenario that you can never fully communicate to another. In my mind the man was a threat to be neutralized. Thankfully I did not have to make this particular choice.

LarryO1970 · 04-17-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

If someone is coming at me with a gun on the ready and doesn't respond when i say stop, in any language,his or mine, he is going to catch lead. He should at least make it known that he means no harm if he hears you yelling in any language.

sell33 ... it's not that easy. Say you yell at him to halt. He turns because he does not understand you, inadvertently, leveling his AK at you.

That alone... gives you all the conditions to fire.

Are you willing to stand up for shooting someone under those circumstances?

Marine1 · 04-17-2008, 04:53 PM

He's in a combat zone, and armed....take him out!

sell33 · 04-17-2008, 04:53 PM

very true. i have never been in that situation so i really don't know. Either way it would be hard to not shoot. i value my life, and it sounds as if it would have been threatened in this situation. If this person appeared hostile to me and 19 of my friends had jsut been killed i think i would have felt justified.

TNRICK55 · 04-17-2008, 04:55 PM

larry you came home alive didnt you

Seabeescotty · 04-17-2008, 04:55 PM

Larry, It's a difficult question you're fielding here. In my time, and in my war, I'd have taken him out, permanently. No wounding shots, simple dead, and no questions asked. I happened to speak the lingo of my theater fluently, and doubt in that situation, if I'd have given him a break. That's how it was then, I don't know how they expect you to react, these days. I would have put a burst from his crotch to his ears, and maybe a second if he didn't go down immediately. It's the best answer I can give.

sell33 · 04-17-2008, 04:56 PM

i do want to say thank you for your service larry and all of you other veterans that went through situations like this. society is in debt to all of you.

LarryO1970 · 04-17-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

I would of brought up my ferarm and aimed it at him and if that didn't cause him to stop Id blowed his dang head off !
Depend'in on how bad the fence needed fix'in I might even shoot him 2 or 3 more times...A.H

You know... with the adrenalin ... the selector on the M16A1 want to auto ... and I was aimed at his waist, trigger half-pulled...

All that was needed was a single move to show intent...

ArkansasHunter · 04-17-2008, 04:58 PM

I would of brought up my ferarm and aimed it at him and if that didn't cause him to stop, Id blowed his dang head off !
Depend'in on how bad the fence needed fix'in I might even shoot him 2 or 3 more times...A.H

neophyte · 04-17-2008, 05:01 PM

LarryO1970: My thoughts weren't meant to be insulting nor reflective of whether you are the principle or the OIC trying to dignify the situation.

your opening; what would "I" have done, given a basic undertone of a givin.
Would I have guilt, would I have run, would I have sleepness night,
I could go on with that forever.

Sir; my history answered my question to your givin.

Cyrille · 04-17-2008, 05:02 PM

[quote=LarryO1970;481714]You are right about the ROE's ... however, there was no provision here...[/quote
]If as you say, and I don't doubt you for a millisecond, there were no provisions provided then do as you see fit to do at the time.

Windwalker · 04-17-2008, 05:08 PM

Any overt move to bring the weapon to bear would have caused his instant death.

LarryO1970 · 04-17-2008, 05:17 PM

... so far, about 98% said to shoot, is that about right?

sell33 · 04-17-2008, 05:20 PM

i thought it looked more like 100% but yes^^^

Lng Rng · 04-17-2008, 05:25 PM

For me, it is probably inconclusive. I have not been in a situation like that, and have no idea how I would react put into that situation. It might be easier to say shoot from behind a keyboard, but in that moment, I can't say with 100% certianty what I would have done.

LarryO1970 · 04-17-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lng Rng

For me, it is probably inconclusive. I have not been in a situation like that, and have no idea how I would react put into that situation. It might be easier to say shoot from behind a keyboard, but in that moment, I can't say with 100% certianty what I would have done.

first of all... thanks for the understanding... keyboard and all...

... put yourself in a situation of 19 dead American G.I.'s.... rubble, fire and a man, whom you have no idea of the origin or, who he may represent, etc. coming at you with an AK-47 at the ready... what do you do?

scoutman · 04-17-2008, 05:31 PM

larry its a good thing to share storys i would have. when a person becomes a soldier thats the question will i have to shoot someone? and most people dont and have no desire to do a thing like that if i was in your position right now i would say that i would shoot the man but its hard to say cuzz i have never been i a war and i proly wont unless the country hits the fan.

i like hearing storys about the experiences of soldiers when they come back from duty
thanks for sharing

04-17-2008, 04:47 PM	#44
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	Larry my friend it is mere semantics between a war and an "Operation" the bullets and bombs are just as real and just as deadly, the dead are just as dead as the broken and bleeding are just as broken. As I said before based on you basic desription I most likely WOULD have fired but then again I wasn't there and there are nuances to every scenario that you can never fully communicate to another. In my mind the man was a threat to be neutralized. Thankfully I did not have to make this particular choice. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

04-17-2008, 04:55 PM	#48
TNRICK55 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: TENNESSEE Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (0)	larry you came home alive didnt you __________________ 1st. GOD 2ND RIGHT TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS.

04-17-2008, 04:55 PM	#49
Seabeescotty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country. Posts: 3,678 Trader Rating: (0)	Larry, It's a difficult question you're fielding here. In my time, and in my war, I'd have taken him out, permanently. No wounding shots, simple dead, and no questions asked. I happened to speak the lingo of my theater fluently, and doubt in that situation, if I'd have given him a break. That's how it was then, I don't know how they expect you to react, these days. I would have put a burst from his crotch to his ears, and maybe a second if he didn't go down immediately. It's the best answer I can give. __________________ Adapt, improvise, overcome.-Gysgt Highway, Heartbreak Ridge

04-17-2008, 05:01 PM	#53
neophyte Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,152 Trader Rating: (0)	LarryO1970: My thoughts weren't meant to be insulting nor reflective of whether you are the principle or the OIC trying to dignify the situation. your opening; what would "I" have done, given a basic undertone of a givin. Would I have guilt, would I have run, would I have sleepness night, I could go on with that forever. Sir; my history answered my question to your givin. __________________ Craig By the standards of most

04-17-2008, 05:08 PM	#55
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,218 Trader Rating: (0)	Any overt move to bring the weapon to bear would have caused his instant death. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

04-17-2008, 04:45 PM	#41
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	Given the circumstances, I probably would have figured that if he was not uniformed, he is probably a hostile force, and more than likely would have taken the shot. Either way, I think it is tough for anybody to say what they would have done, you probably don't know until a situation like that arises.

04-17-2008, 04:46 PM	#42
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,003 Trader Rating: (0)	If someone is coming at me with a gun on the ready and doesn't respond when i say stop, in any language,his or mine, he is going to catch lead. He should at least make it known that he means no harm if he hears you yelling in any language.

04-17-2008, 04:53 PM	#46
Marine1 Runnin' With The Big Dogs Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 862 Trader Rating: (0)	He's in a combat zone, and armed....take him out!

04-17-2008, 04:56 PM	#50
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,003 Trader Rating: (0)	i do want to say thank you for your service larry and all of you other veterans that went through situations like this. society is in debt to all of you.

04-17-2008, 04:58 PM	#52
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,466 Trader Rating: (0)	I would of brought up my ferarm and aimed it at him and if that didn't cause him to stop, Id blowed his dang head off ! Depend'in on how bad the fence needed fix'in I might even shoot him 2 or 3 more times...A.H

04-17-2008, 05:02 PM	#54
Cyrille Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 1,737 Trader Rating: (0)	[quote=LarryO1970;481714]You are right about the ROE's ... however, there was no provision here...[/quote ]If as you say, and I don't doubt you for a millisecond, there were no provisions provided then do as you see fit to do at the time.

04-17-2008, 05:17 PM	#56
LarryO1970 "Blazing Saddles" GOV Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 2,176 Trader Rating: (0)	... so far, about 98% said to shoot, is that about right? __________________ "Guess what?! I've got a fever, and the only prescription... is more cowbell!"

04-17-2008, 05:20 PM	#57
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,003 Trader Rating: (0)	i thought it looked more like 100% but yes^^^

04-17-2008, 05:25 PM	#58
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	For me, it is probably inconclusive. I have not been in a situation like that, and have no idea how I would react put into that situation. It might be easier to say shoot from behind a keyboard, but in that moment, I can't say with 100% certianty what I would have done.

04-17-2008, 05:31 PM	#60
scoutman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 143 Trader Rating: (0)	larry its a good thing to share storys i would have. when a person becomes a soldier thats the question will i have to shoot someone? and most people dont and have no desire to do a thing like that if i was in your position right now i would say that i would shoot the man but its hard to say cuzz i have never been i a war and i proly wont unless the country hits the fan. i like hearing storys about the experiences of soldiers when they come back from duty thanks for sharing __________________ god made all man, but Samuel Colt made all man equal