Should Students Be Allowed to Carry Guns on Campus?

Marine1 · 04-19-2008, 02:55 PM

My vote..... when they have finished the proper firearms, and weapons self-defense training...Yes!

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Wingwiper · 04-19-2008, 03:03 PM

YES!

One of the places where your chances are at the highest to be shot is on Campus so I vote YES! If an off duty has a RIGHt to carry to protect his life or others, then so doesn't EVERYONE.

Death Metal · 04-19-2008, 03:08 PM

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Should Students Be Allowed to Carry Guns on Campus?

NO!!! If a school shooter wants to kill people, he should not have to worry about being shot by people trying to defend their lives. Criminals need to have a safe environment where there are unarmed victims for them.

HOW DARE YOU ALL TO THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM A DERANGED MADMAN!!1

edit: this was sarcasm for those whom could not tell.

genwinters · 04-19-2008, 04:41 PM

1000% yes, if you can carry, you should be able to carry anywhere in my opinion. no gun free zones at all

big boomer · 04-19-2008, 04:46 PM

yes, I was in school when some bonehead opened fire on a teacher back in the late 60's. There were no copy cats because the person was made to look like an idiot not a hero.

FS00008 · 04-19-2008, 05:08 PM

roadie · 04-19-2008, 05:38 PM

No Way! But that is only if the crack pot criminals who wanna kill people are not allowed to carry a gun on campus as well, try squirt guns instead I guess. If the students can't carry then neither should the crooks.

boesman82 · 04-19-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by roadie

No Way! But that is only if the crack pot criminals who wanna kill people are not allowed to carry a gun on campus as well, try squirt guns instead I guess. If the students can't carry then neither should the crooks.

They should be able to carry. Hey roadie change crooks to police because if they are not allowed to carry neither should the police and the criminal.

TXplt · 04-19-2008, 06:09 PM

Anyone permitted should be OK to carry anywhere. It's time we got rid of the "gun free" shooting galleries (and the politicians or "leaders" who advocate them).

FS00008 · 04-19-2008, 06:26 PM

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's let everyone who advocates "gun-free" zones and/or gun control go and work as a correctional officer (sans training of course) in the most violent and overcrowded prisons in America. What do you think they'd say about guns then?

just_a_car · 04-19-2008, 06:27 PM

As a University student, law-abiding citizen, WA CPL-holder, responsible gun-owner, and an SCCC member, YES YES YES!!!

Coeloptera · 04-19-2008, 06:42 PM

If you bother to go through all the CCW stuff, then you're probably not very likely to go on a crazy rampage. And if you are the sort who wants to go on such a rampage...the laws won't stop you.

And why would that woman in the article believe an armed student would be "no match" for a gunman?

Funny, but in that shooting in the Colorado Springs church, an armed woman was certainly more than a match for the shooter. As I recall, she pretty much killed him before he could get very far. Or she wounded him so badly he killed himself rather than continue.

As for "the fear that grips you when you're worried about your life is paralyzing", maybe for some people. Others of us start thinking about how to stop our attacker and get aggressive. Throughout human history, an awful lot of people have fought to defend themselves and others in lethally dangerous situations instead of being paralyzed with fear. I myself am more frightened of freezing up in a dangerous situation because I'm far more scared that would lead to my death or injury than taking stock and taking action. Fear keeps me alert.

I have to say, my personal feelings aside, it seems some basic logic can make this argument for us.

Are you safer if:

A. A shooter can come into a public space and is guaranteed that no one can shoot back until LEOs get there, allowing him free reign to attack at will, any number of people he can sight in on?

B. A shooter comes into an area and there is a chance that someone will be able to engage them on more-or-less equal terms, or potentially more than one opponent can engage said shooter?

As for the issue of confusion, I'm pretty sure most defenders would put up their weapon once they'd stopped a rampage shooter. They also wouldn't be shooting people left and right and thus would be relatively easy to differentiate from some nut. The LEOs can just take everyone into custody and sort of out calmly afterwards.

Really...the patchwork of laws we have sometimes for stuff like this.

- Coeloptera

TXplt · 04-19-2008, 06:48 PM

+1 !

A well armed well trained CCW holder is very much a match for a gunman. Anti's frequently use unsubstantiated drivel (i.e. you're more likely to get shot with your own gun, your gun is more likely to be involved in an accident, and other untruths) in lieu of facts when making an emotional "argument." Concealed Carry works and firearms are a very useful tool in the protection of one's own self. You don't need to look alot farther than the "Armed Citizen" to see examples of this. The people I shoot with at the range are a cross section of the general shooting public--they are a very capable and responsible lot, and I believe, would be more than a match for a Bad Guy -- responding like most of us do in a crisis situation -- scared but coherent and rational. Silly people like to use the "paralyzed with fear" catch phrase because it follows their philosophy of life -- being totally incapable of dealing with their own destiny. Most of us CAN deal well with our own destiny. I know of many (including me) who have been in a couple of dicey situations at some point in their careers while flying (especially in dealing with weather). Although they might have wished for a more benign situation, NONE had any problem dealing with fear or apprehension because they were professionals and well trained. CCW holders are no different.

Brother Bob · 04-19-2008, 06:59 PM

Yes!!!!

Windwalker · 04-19-2008, 07:31 PM

I agree with TX plt and think both students and teachers should be allowed to carry after they receive their CCP.

Big Tool · 04-20-2008, 12:45 AM

I say yes. It would stop school rampage shootings imo.

Those crazy cowards wouldn't go shooting if they thought their would be bullets flying back at them.

SKS NOOB · 04-20-2008, 01:53 PM

Here is what I see so don't go too balistic on me. In the Old West (bad comparison I know) people who could afford it were armed to protect themselves and provide for themselves. Yes, there were plenty of drifters that came in just to cause trouble with their guns, but some towns had ordinances that either said you couldn't bring them in town or into drinking establishments and such so to limit people from being in drunken shootouts. I believe if we were to take somewhat of that kind of approach to it, then guns on campus would be effective. Either that, or have armed security guards at least to roam the halls. Just my oppinion

Mad Hatter · 04-20-2008, 02:08 PM

I think students should be able to carry, but they should be trained or tested to make sure they are a decent shot, as other innocent lives could be lost to an inexperienced shooter.

Also how can we make the "castle doctrine" law a national one ? It certainly should be !!

billy · 04-20-2008, 02:29 PM

well SOMEBODY besides the nutjob killer better have one!

at all of these school shootings if only 1 out of 100 people had a gun the shooters would be dead before the bodies piled up near as high as they have.

cubbieman · 04-20-2008, 07:02 PM

there should be no gun free zones(although customers should not be allowed to carry where alcohol is served, and in those places the right answer is usually going to be security with tasers), but there are places that should require training to carry. you don't want someone inaccurately shooting in a classroom, or any other crowded area, as they would be doing as much damage as the madman, but anyone who can consistently hit the vital spots under stress should be allowed to carry almost anywhere they want, if you're going to have a gun free zone you have to do it right and have metal detectors

04-19-2008, 02:55 PM	#1
Marine1 Runnin' With The Big Dogs Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 862 Images: 4	Should Students Be Allowed to Carry Guns on Campus? My vote..... when they have finished the proper firearms, and weapons self-defense training...Yes! MSNBC - Front Page

04-19-2008, 05:38 PM	#7
roadie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 625 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 1	No Way! But that is only if the crack pot criminals who wanna kill people are not allowed to carry a gun on campus as well, try squirt guns instead I guess. If the students can't carry then neither should the crooks. __________________ Blaming guns for violent acts is like blaming the keyboard for your poor spelling.

04-19-2008, 06:09 PM	#9
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,779 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	Anyone permitted should be OK to carry anywhere. It's time we got rid of the "gun free" shooting galleries (and the politicians or "leaders" who advocate them). __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

04-19-2008, 06:27 PM	#11
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,512	As a University student, law-abiding citizen, WA CPL-holder, responsible gun-owner, and an SCCC member, YES YES YES!!! __________________

04-19-2008, 06:48 PM	#13
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,779 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	+1 ! A well armed well trained CCW holder is very much a match for a gunman. Anti's frequently use unsubstantiated drivel (i.e. you're more likely to get shot with your own gun, your gun is more likely to be involved in an accident, and other untruths) in lieu of facts when making an emotional "argument." Concealed Carry works and firearms are a very useful tool in the protection of one's own self. You don't need to look alot farther than the "Armed Citizen" to see examples of this. The people I shoot with at the range are a cross section of the general shooting public--they are a very capable and responsible lot, and I believe, would be more than a match for a Bad Guy -- responding like most of us do in a crisis situation -- scared but coherent and rational. Silly people like to use the "paralyzed with fear" catch phrase because it follows their philosophy of life -- being totally incapable of dealing with their own destiny. Most of us CAN deal well with our own destiny. I know of many (including me) who have been in a couple of dicey situations at some point in their careers while flying (especially in dealing with weather). Although they might have wished for a more benign situation, NONE had any problem dealing with fear or apprehension because they were professionals and well trained. CCW holders are no different. __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas Last edited by TXplt; 04-19-2008 at 06:58 PM.

04-19-2008, 03:03 PM	#2
Wingwiper Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 789	YES! One of the places where your chances are at the highest to be shot is on Campus so I vote YES! If an off duty has a RIGHt to carry to protect his life or others, then so doesn't EVERYONE.

04-19-2008, 04:41 PM	#4
genwinters Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 309	1000% yes, if you can carry, you should be able to carry anywhere in my opinion. no gun free zones at all

04-19-2008, 04:46 PM	#5
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 945	yes, I was in school when some bonehead opened fire on a teacher back in the late 60's. There were no copy cats because the person was made to look like an idiot not a hero.

04-19-2008, 05:08 PM	#6
FS00008 Сергей Иванович Мосин Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 954 Blog Entries: 1	Yes!

04-19-2008, 06:26 PM	#10
FS00008 Сергей Иванович Мосин Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 954 Blog Entries: 1	Hey, I've got an idea. Let's let everyone who advocates "gun-free" zones and/or gun control go and work as a correctional officer (sans training of course) in the most violent and overcrowded prisons in America. What do you think they'd say about guns then?

04-19-2008, 06:42 PM	#12
Coeloptera Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,846	If you bother to go through all the CCW stuff, then you're probably not very likely to go on a crazy rampage. And if you are the sort who wants to go on such a rampage...the laws won't stop you. And why would that woman in the article believe an armed student would be "no match" for a gunman? Funny, but in that shooting in the Colorado Springs church, an armed woman was certainly more than a match for the shooter. As I recall, she pretty much killed him before he could get very far. Or she wounded him so badly he killed himself rather than continue. As for "the fear that grips you when you're worried about your life is paralyzing", maybe for some people. Others of us start thinking about how to stop our attacker and get aggressive. Throughout human history, an awful lot of people have fought to defend themselves and others in lethally dangerous situations instead of being paralyzed with fear. I myself am more frightened of freezing up in a dangerous situation because I'm far more scared that would lead to my death or injury than taking stock and taking action. Fear keeps me alert. I have to say, my personal feelings aside, it seems some basic logic can make this argument for us. Are you safer if: A. A shooter can come into a public space and is guaranteed that no one can shoot back until LEOs get there, allowing him free reign to attack at will, any number of people he can sight in on? B. A shooter comes into an area and there is a chance that someone will be able to engage them on more-or-less equal terms, or potentially more than one opponent can engage said shooter? As for the issue of confusion, I'm pretty sure most defenders would put up their weapon once they'd stopped a rampage shooter. They also wouldn't be shooting people left and right and thus would be relatively easy to differentiate from some nut. The LEOs can just take everyone into custody and sort of out calmly afterwards. Really...the patchwork of laws we have sometimes for stuff like this. - Coeloptera

04-19-2008, 06:59 PM	#14
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,670 Blog Entries: 3	Yes!!!! __________________ The Most Expensive Commodity In This Country Is Ignorance!

04-19-2008, 07:31 PM	#15
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,541	I agree with TX plt and think both students and teachers should be allowed to carry after they receive their CCP. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

04-20-2008, 12:45 AM	#16
Big Tool Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MS Posts: 601	I say yes. It would stop school rampage shootings imo. Those crazy cowards wouldn't go shooting if they thought their would be bullets flying back at them.

04-20-2008, 01:53 PM	#17
SKS NOOB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Minnesotah Posts: 689	Here is what I see so don't go too balistic on me. In the Old West (bad comparison I know) people who could afford it were armed to protect themselves and provide for themselves. Yes, there were plenty of drifters that came in just to cause trouble with their guns, but some towns had ordinances that either said you couldn't bring them in town or into drinking establishments and such so to limit people from being in drunken shootouts. I believe if we were to take somewhat of that kind of approach to it, then guns on campus would be effective. Either that, or have armed security guards at least to roam the halls. Just my oppinion

04-20-2008, 02:08 PM	#18
Mad Hatter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 592	I think students should be able to carry, but they should be trained or tested to make sure they are a decent shot, as other innocent lives could be lost to an inexperienced shooter. Also how can we make the "castle doctrine" law a national one ? It certainly should be !!

04-20-2008, 02:29 PM	#19
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,970 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	well SOMEBODY besides the nutjob killer better have one! at all of these school shootings if only 1 out of 100 people had a gun the shooters would be dead before the bodies piled up near as high as they have. __________________ just leave britney ALONE! she's going thru a hard time snivel sniff....WAH Last edited by billy; 04-20-2008 at 02:31 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-20-2008, 07:02 PM	#20
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	there should be no gun free zones(although customers should not be allowed to carry where alcohol is served, and in those places the right answer is usually going to be security with tasers), but there are places that should require training to carry. you don't want someone inaccurately shooting in a classroom, or any other crowded area, as they would be doing as much damage as the madman, but anyone who can consistently hit the vital spots under stress should be allowed to carry almost anywhere they want, if you're going to have a gun free zone you have to do it right and have metal detectors