[billy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Troy

in an entirely strange way, that's a cool story. some time ago a member ( i think it was joe) posted a pic of another fella puttin' a round down range with a mosin at dusk. the pic of the fireball coming out of the mosin will probably be enough to get your interest in buying one. if i can find the pic i will post it in this thread later today if someone doesn't beat me to it, you'll get a kick (ha, ha) out of it. i am one of the few that don't own on (take it easy on my guys), but i will one day. hell of a powerful rifle, i think it slightly out powers the 30-06, and that is something.

[roadie]

Quote:       Originally Posted by .280Rem

I've never understood some American's facination with "Black Rifles" such as the M-16/AR's for field work and customizing, but do get it if they use them in competition. I have held and shot them in the military. They are what they are, they do their job when properly applied, but they hold no facination for me. Take that failure to understand, and increase it 10x when I see those that desire any AK/SKS, or Mosin. FOR ANY APPLICATION. Cheap, bulk made, Russian Military crap. Tough? No doubt! Reliable? They were made to be! Cheap? Yep, and there's a reason! If you love them or "black rifles" it's your right to own and use one, but don't try to sell me that I'll love them because they're "cheap" and "reliable". My Rem 700 is cheap enough, and very reliable. I'll take it. If I want cheaper, I'll go with a Tikka T-3 Lite. And I freely admit that my perception of these Russian POS's is skewed by the fact that EVERY time I've seen on at the range it was being toted by some guy that is always wearing some form of BDU, if not fully decked out in BDUs, usually with mulitple tattoos, smoking Camels, driving a beat up P/U, and slinging lead down range as fast as he can pull the trigger while raining brass on anybody near by then commenting on the "firepower" or how they deer hunt with it because it gives them quick second, third, and fourth shots. Now that ought to open up a can of worms!

I wouldn't say the russians make "crap" I own an american made AR and a few russian rifles...Russians make good weapons. And they're not cheap, sure the mosins are, but that's about it. I as I'm sure many of us have, have had more issues with the AR type rifles then an AK any day. AK's are like the mac of guns...they just work. If I had to pick one weapon to survive with , to completly rely on for my life it would be an AK no doubt...not that AR's are no good, they're great...but the Russians do make fine weapons.

[sell33]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

A little looney?

Forgive me steve i meant A LOT lol jkjk

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

Now that is bada** i definitely must buy a mosin at some point

[lorcin25]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

Ok. So now I absolutely have to have one of those. No questions asked.

HOLY SMOKES! That is one big flame!

[SwedeSteve]

Mama Mia!

[scoutman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

ya, they been going up gradually in price at the past gun show i went to, they were 119 a year ago i saw them for 99 dollars three years ago they were like 50 or 60 bucks

i saw that

[billy]

for my three mosins 3 years a go i paid
$45
$65
$70
prices dont go down.

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

someone didnt clean the cosmo out enough

[.280Rem]

Quote:       Originally Posted by roadie

I wouldn't say the russians make "crap" I own an american made AR and a few russian rifles...Russians make good weapons. And they're not cheap, sure the mosins are, but that's about it. I as I'm sure many of us have, have had more issues with the AR type rifles then an AK any day. AK's are like the mac of guns...they just work. If I had to pick one weapon to survive with , to completly rely on for my life it would be an AK no doubt...not that AR's are no good, they're great...but the Russians do make fine weapons.

Great, so it's a fabulous hunting rifle because if the SHTF and all hell breaks loose it would be a good choice? You make my point for me. Military competence does not equal = good field weapon.

AR, SKS, AK, MN, if were in a "Red Dawn" type situation, then any of them sound good to me. But that's fantasy land thinking. I hunt deer. I wont be caught dead or alive with any of those POS's in my hands on a stand.

[toolman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by .280Rem

Great, so it's a fabulous hunting rifle because if the SHTF and all hell breaks loose it would be a good choice? You make my point for me. Military competence does not equal = good field weapon. AR, SKS, AK, MN, if were in a "Red Dawn" type situation, then any of them sound good to me. But that's fantasy land thinking. I hunt deer. I wont be caught dead or alive with any of those POS's in my hands on a stand.

My "POS" M-44 has accounted for five whitetails at ranges from 175 yds on the short side up to 225 for the farthest. None of these deer went more than 15 yds and most dropped in their tracks. It's also been used on several hogs at considerably shorter ranges. I'm only using a 2x20 Tasco handgun scope, but it works. If you don't like 'em that's fine, it leaves more for us, but don't talk trash about a gun you obviously know nothing about.

[just_a_car]

Quote:       Originally Posted by .280Rem

Great, so it's a fabulous hunting rifle because if the SHTF and all hell breaks loose it would be a good choice? You make my point for me. Military competence does not equal = good field weapon. AR, SKS, AK, MN, if were in a "Red Dawn" type situation, then any of them sound good to me. But that's fantasy land thinking. I hunt deer. I wont be caught dead or alive with any of those POS's in my hands on a stand.

You'd better watch your step there, 280. To use a modified quote "Your fingers are writing checks that your butt can't cash."

If you went back and read the threads in the Mosin Nagant forum, you'd find quite a few pictures of gentlemen with very dead deer and superbly-placed shots. Heck, billy's m44 get's 1 MOA. If 1 inch at 100 yards is a POS to you, then you have higher standards than I would ever want.

[.280Rem]

Quote:       Originally Posted by just_a_car

You'd better watch your step there, 280. To use a modified quote "Your fingers are writing checks that your butt can't cash." If you went back and read the threads in the Mosin Nagant forum, you'd find quite a few pictures of gentlemen with very dead deer and superbly-placed shots. Heck, billy's m44 get's 1 MOA. If 1 inch at 100 yards is a POS to you, then you have higher standards than I would ever want.

Oh, now I have to have a certain opinion, or I'm up for a butt whoopin'? Wow!

Who suggested they're not deadly or wouldn't kill a deer?

You know of 1 that will do 1 MOA? Holy smokes! Stop the presses!

I hate those things. Despise them! AND they're ugly too! Aint NOBODY gonna convince me otherwise. Not by threat, coercion, or otherwise. Lotsa cheap handguns (Saturday night specials) out there that kill folks day in and day out, but I wont own one just because they can and do kill.

Sorry! If I can't afford a M700, or Tikka, then I'll pass on the Russian crap.

[TheWanderingMind]

Quote:       Originally Posted by .280Rem

Sorry! If I can't afford a M700, or Tikka, then I'll pass on the Russian crap.

Aw, come on now, Auburn! Especially in the Model 91s with the hex receivers, and the 91/59's with the same, the original quality control was pretty darned good.

I used to own a hex 91 with the Czarist Eagles on it. It would shoot an initial three-shot group at 100 yards you could cover with a nickel. Then, as the barrel warmed, it would spread the next two shots to where the edges of the holes would almost touch the original ragged-hole group. Not bad for an old piece of Russian sewer pipe!

The thing is, it's not just a matter of the low cost to acquire, the mechanical perfection of the rifle, nor its accuracy, that makes these old Russian guns so popular. It's the "touching history" angle. There is an ethos here, going back to the late 1890's/early 1900's, a nostalgic sense of hard-working, stoic farmers-turned-soldiers, for whom these guns were top-of-the-line equipment. When you flip up the bolt of an old M-N or a Mauser or an '03-A3, you're touching history. Your 700 or Tikka might be mechanically pure, sleek perfection - but it's soul-less!

Of course, some of us understand... Anything called "the Red Army" could have nothing but bad connotations for someone who thinks of the Cringing Tide that way!

[.280Rem]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TheWanderingMind

Aw, come on now, Auburn! Especially in the Model 91s with the hex receivers, and the 91/59's with the same, the original quality control was pretty darned good. I used to own a hex 91 with the Czarist Eagles on it. It would shoot an initial three-shot group at 100 yards you could cover with a nickel. Then, as the barrel warmed, it would spread the next two shots to where the edges of the holes would almost touch the original ragged-hole group. Not bad for an old piece of Russian sewer pipe! The thing is, it's not just a matter of the low cost to acquire, the mechanical perfection of the rifle, nor its accuracy, that makes these old Russian guns so popular. It's the "touching history" angle. There is an ethos here, going back to the late 1890's/early 1900's, a nostalgic sense of hard-working, stoic farmers-turned-soldiers, for whom these guns were top-of-the-line equipment. When you flip up the bolt of an old M-N or a Mauser or an '03-A3, you're touching history. Your 700 or Tikka might be mechanically pure, sleek perfection - but it's soul-less! Of course, some of us understand... Anything called "the Red Army" could have nothing but bad connotations for someone who thinks of the Cringing Tide that way!

For history and nostalgia, I'll take my Mauser 98 Custom in 30-06. Look, where I hunt, I'd be laughed out of the camphouse if I showed up with one in hand. Function, toughness, mechanical reliability, and maybe even a few or accurate, but they are not suited to my taste in guns, and to be honest, much has to do with the fools that I've seen toting them. Which is not to say all that own them are fools, but in these parts, I've yet to see otherwise. Could be a local thing.



And to whoever told me MOA is their standard and that if I have higher then that was too high. When your guns will do better than MOA at a hundred...well...

The gun above does this:



I have plenty that will do that, and one .280Rem that will do this;

3 shots at 100 yards:



So saying you know one that will do MOA wont sell me, and neither does cheap. In fact, if "cheap" is a major selling point, most times, I'll avoid it.

[lowercase]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TheWanderingMind

Aw, come on now, Auburn! Especially in the Model 91s with the hex receivers, and the 91/59's with the same, the original quality control was pretty darned good. I used to own a hex 91 with the Czarist Eagles on it. It would shoot an initial three-shot group at 100 yards you could cover with a nickel. Then, as the barrel warmed, it would spread the next two shots to where the edges of the holes would almost touch the original ragged-hole group. Not bad for an old piece of Russian sewer pipe! The thing is, it's not just a matter of the low cost to acquire, the mechanical perfection of the rifle, nor its accuracy, that makes these old Russian guns so popular. It's the "touching history" angle. There is an ethos here, going back to the late 1890's/early 1900's, a nostalgic sense of hard-working, stoic farmers-turned-soldiers, for whom these guns were top-of-the-line equipment. When you flip up the bolt of an old M-N or a Mauser or an '03-A3, you're touching history. Your 700 or Tikka might be mechanically pure, sleek perfection - but it's soul-less! Of course, some of us understand... Anything called "the Red Army" could have nothing but bad connotations for someone who thinks of the Cringing Tide that way!

I agree with you about the history thing. One thing that many people forget, or just don't know is that the Mosin was also an American produced and issued weapon (albeit rare) which saw action against the communist forces during the Russian Civil War.

Here's a pic of American troops with their Mosins.



"Look, where I hunt, I'd be laughed out of the camphouse if I showed up with one in hand. Function, toughness, mechanical reliability, and maybe even a few or accurate, but they are not suited to my taste in guns, and to be honest, much has to do with the fools that I've seen toting them. Which is not to say all that own them are fools, but in these parts, I've yet to see otherwise. Could be a local thing. "

You'd get laughed at for your firearm? That's wouldn't be too neighborly of your hunting buddies.

FWIW, I wouldn't care what anyone thought of my rifle. If they didn't like it, too bad. They don't own it.

I also don't worry that my choice of rifle is also a favorite among riff-raff. They can show up in old BDUs and blast away, as long as they don't bother me. Heck, I think that I might just qualify as riff-raff myself.

[SwedeSteve]

Believe me, it is a local thing, LOL!

[andrew cochran]

Mosinites has come over me.

[SwedeSteve]

Hey 280- Whats historic or nolstalgic about a customized mauser?

[big boomer]

They are cheap and they are cheap and if they break you can buy another one because they are cheap. And you could hunt with one if you wanted, and have lots of money for hunting supplies because the guns are cheap. But I don't know why people like them( I have 2 because they are cheap)

[.280Rem]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Hey 280- Whats historic or nolstalgic about a customized mauser?

The Mauser 98 is very historic. Google it up if you want the "history". As for my particular gun, it's a sporterized Argentine. Military stock, which is clear in the picture, and a military surplus bbl screwed on complete with iron sights. So, do I get to join the "cheap military gun" crowd?