Here it is,food shortages caused by....

[Pred]

Hmm...

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by Rambo

It's all about money. Those who have it, dictate to those that don't.
Do not think for a minute who runs this country and countries around the world. Corporations owned/ran by the weathiest of all.
They tell our government what laws/bills to pass. They tell the president what his policies are, what bills to sign/veto, what countries to invade, what countries to prop up, everything.
They say labor is driving the price of new vehicles up so they have them made in Mexico. However, the price never goes down, even when the labor costs are cut by 5,000%.
They send all the manufacturing jobs to foreign countries and have us squabbling for the few good jobs left, blaming it on illegal aliens. Then we fight about the illegal aliens and they are stealing us blind because our focus is on something else.
They drive the costs of everything up and wages down. We don't vote for higher costs and lower wages, do we?
Now they contrive a food shortage and drive the costs up again. The stuff we need to survive. While we're scrambling around, trying to feed our families, they're stealing us blind again.
They borrow from foreign governments and wealthy individuals and sell out our own country in the process, just for more money.
Look around you and open your eyes before it's too late.
Illegals aren't our enemies. People on welfare aren't either. Nor the unions, unemployed, foreign terrorists, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Venezuela and a host of other countries. Our enemies live right here in this country. They are selling us, our children, grandchildren and so-on, out! Our futures, sold for a few shekels.
The sad thing is, there is nothing we can do because when we find someone to send to Washington that might be good for the country, Washington corrupts him/her. Or we turn on him ourselves because the media put out some embarassing information about him.
WTF????

BINGO!

Our whole foundation of an economy is based where those who are rich remain rich and in control of the money. Our unregulated federal reserve lends trillions (of made up printed money) to the government, who then over spends a ton of it. On top of that our own government even out sources these things this day. I pay uncle sam about $800 per a pay check (so $1600/month) in taxes (roughly 19k/year). So I am paying back debt from our government right back into these private bankers who don't have to do anything for a living except loan the government money. My 19k each year goes right back into their pockets.

These private bankers also loan out money to the health care industry, oil industry, technology companies, so on and so forth. The giant corporations make up the privatized banking in our nation. Just read up on Rothchild and Rockerfeller and you will be disgusted at what they did, and then read about how almost every major politician in the white house has had ties by either family or business with these same bankers.

They put themselves all in a position where they will never be poor no matter what, and they live off of us. We are slaves to debt in this country. The long term effect on this is that inflation goes up, our dollar decreases in value, yet no one's salaries are adjusted to inflation what so ever. Our minimum wage is still under $6.00/hour (federal, some states have their own minimum wage). Give that gas costs almost about that, that is absurd that anyone could live off of that period.

It is creating a larger and larger gap between the upper and middle/lower classes. We are becoming a nation of haves and have nots. The middle class is disappearing. All of our problems can be directly related to our economy and how it is set up. We need to get rid of these private bankers and not live in a economy of debt, and no longer be a slave to it. As long as they can force us in debt they can control our lives by economy.

You see companies out sourcing because of this, you see farmers growing cash crops over food because of this, you see corporations running the government and making really bad decisions because of it. If we actually had a real decent rail system in our country and no need for mass trucking, we could save so much money on fuel costs and highway maintenance all together.

The problem is so many things intertwined, but with one constant, debt based economies do not work out for anyone but the rich, period. It would not solve all of our problems, but it sure would help all of them.

[BaserRonin]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I've heard this sort of thing before, about it taking more than a gallon of fossil fuel to produce a gallon of bio-fuel. If that were the case, Brazil couldn't have cut its imports of oil to basically zero by producing bio-fuels; their consumption would've gone up instead of down.

Your talking about two different products Troy. Brazil doesn't use corn for their fuel.
There are independent studies that show that corn based fuels do in fact create/produce a net loss.
Oilcrash.com: The Dirty Truth about Biofuels


It is stupid to burn your food for power. Especially on the flimsy pretense that human produced C02 is causing a global disaster.


Edit: wow, walk away for 5 minutes before actually posting and the messages fill up.

[HippyInASuit]

Use hemp. Problem solved.

[alaskamonte]

Originally Posted by Rave

...bio-fuel!
Media says there will be major world food shortages caused by the use of grains to produce alcohol for fuel.
I guess you just can't win.

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[troy2000]

Originally Posted by BaserRonin

Your talking about two different products Troy. Brazil doesn't use corn for their fuel.
There are independent studies that show that corn based fuels do in fact create/produce a net loss.
Oilcrash.com: The Dirty Truth about Biofuels


It is stupid to burn your food for power. Especially on the flimsy pretense that human produced C02 is causing a global disaster.


Edit: wow, walk away for 5 minutes before actually posting and the messages fill up.

I'll go to the link and read it, but it's been my experience that you can usually tell who paid for the "independent" studies on this subject simply by looking at the conclusions drawn. I'd say that's true for both sides...

How about the 'flimsy pretense' that foreign countries have us by the short hairs because they control our energy supplies? Is that enough reason to look for alternatives? I understood that was our main reason for wanting alternatives to oil, not global warming...

If biofuels are a net loss, they won't survive in the market. Simple enough, I'd say; we can just wait and see. Government subsidies aren't nearly high enough to make up for the difference if that turns out to be the case; as a matter of fact, government subsidies for all alternative energy sources combined are a drop in the bucket compared to the tax breaks and 'incentives' given to the oil industry lately.

[CrazyIvan]

t2000,

Do you agree with burning our food supply?

[BaserRonin]

Originally Posted by troy2000

If biofuels are a net loss, they won't survive in the market. Simple enough, I'd say; we can just wait and see. Government subsidies aren't nearly high enough to make up for the difference if that turns out to be the case; as a matter of fact, government subsidies for all alternative energy sources combined are a drop in the bucket compared to the tax breaks and 'incentives' given to the oil industry lately.

can't argue that. But in 06 weren't they subsidizing it to the order of about 6 billion total? Making it $1.40+ cheaper at the pump, which made it about 40% cheaper then reg at the time. Thats a big difference. Enough to give even an inferior product legs to run with.

[CrazyIvan]

Originally Posted by BaserRonin

can't argue that. But in 06 weren't they subsidizing it to the order of about 6 billion total? Making it $1.40+ cheaper at the pump, which made it about 40% cheaper then reg at the time. Thats a big difference. Enough to give even an inferior product legs to run with.

Until they get you hooked, then rack the prices up to the same profit margin as regular gasoline.

[NRAJOE]

I thought food shortages were caused by Rosie O'Donnel....

[mdj696]

Mooseman684. My dad was born 1913, lived through depression on a farm. The way he put it is "the next depression will make the last one look like a birthday party".

[TACAV]

Originally Posted by Pred

Guns, ammo, and canned goods. Make sure you have plenty by mid summer. If nothing else, you won't have to cook for a few months...

So are all the gng members gonna converge in one big fortified location to wait out the breakdown of american life and society as we know it while the rest of the world falls apart or what?

Lol aside from everyone else thinking we are a bunch of crazyies and getting lumped together with all the domestic extremists that would be kinda interesting (not that i want it to happen) to see how well everyone makes it out in a real post SHTF world.

[CrazyIvan]

Originally Posted by TACAV

So are all the gng members gonna converge in one big fortified location to wait out the breakdown of american life and society as we know while the rest of the world falls apart or what?

Consensus here on G&G seems to be that when SHTF, the majority of the members here will Bug-In until forced out.

Personally, given the fact the authorities will show up asking for my firearms in a true SHTF scenario, I think I will choose to Bug-Out before they can come knocking on my door with a 50-lb entry tool with warrants and a SWAT team to confiscate my firearms.

[TACAV]

Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Consensus here on G&G seems to be that when SHTF, the majority of the members here will Bug-In until forced out.
Personally, given the fact the authorities will show up asking for my firearms in a true SHTF scenario, I think I will choose to Bug-Out before they can come knocking on my door with a 50-lb entry tool with warrants and a SWAT team to confiscate my firearms.

well they say thats illegal now but pfffffffffffff I need money and resources to bug out too first and that isnt happening realistically

[CrazyIvan]

Originally Posted by TACAV

well they say thats illegal now but pfffffffffffff I need money and resources to bug out too first and that isnt happening realistically

Those laws made are simply 'feel-good' tools for people who think our Govt. actually follows the rules they set forth unto themselves. I've got a few issues to remind you of their shortfall when it comes to them holding up their end of the bargain as well as other things that will cause one to realize that the whole confiscation laws are B.S.:

1. Social Security
2. Illegal Immigration
3. Public Education
4. FEMA
5. Katrina
6. Patriot Act

[JBS]

Every dam bit of it is Bill Clinton's fault! Sumbish.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

t2000,

Do you agree with burning our food supply?

If it wasn't grown for the purpose of being eaten, it isn't our food supply. We already use corn and its byproducts for all kinds of things unrelated to food. And believe me: we have the agricultural capacity to provide food and energy both, if we want to.

That said, I don't think corn is the most efficient way to produce biofuels; switchgrass probably makes a lot more sense.

[CrazyIvan]

Originally Posted by troy2000

If it wasn't grown for the purpose of being eaten, it isn't our food supply. We already use corn and its byproducts for all kinds of things unrelated to food. And believe me: we have the agricultural capacity to provide food and energy both, if we want to.

That said, I don't think corn is the most efficient way to produce biofuels; switchgrass probably makes a lot more sense.

There have been cases of farmers giving up edible crops and replacing them with corn crops, meant to turn into ethanol.

So, ok...we're not technically burning our food supply, but we are getting rid of it so we have room to grow fuel. That doesn't make sense.

[Seven©]

Folks, have no fear. Everything is gonna be fine. The government will make sure we're OK and able to work and make ends meet.

Without us working and paying taxes, they're screwed. They'll just push us to the threshold of what we can bare for a cost of living while they get richer.




Flame 'way.

[deadman03]

i dont think that we have to worry about all of out corn going to make fuel because when enthonal was first introduced i think corn was less than half what it cost now, and they were not making alot of money. now corn has over doubled in cost, and it now cost more to make ethanol that it does to sell it. so ethonal has driven demand up so much it is now no long economical to produce. at least thats my understanding of the situation.
i realy dont think that ethanol is gona last very long, at least not as long as we are trying to use corn, or take over our crop lands that we get our food from.
i think if it gets to the point people will choose food over fuel, at least i hope.