Former Alabama Judges Poem - Page 3

Brother Bob · 05-01-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

What's the matter? You don't like the truth?

Taco Bell doesn't have buffet's. So where do you go to graze?

TexasT · 05-01-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Taco Bell doesn't have buffet's. So where do you go to graze?

Your kitchen.

Brother Bob · 05-01-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

Your kitchen.

I'm warning you, Texas-T, don't eat the meatloaf! They use it on "Fear Factor"!

TXplt · 05-01-2008, 07:39 PM

Ok--once again.....Here's amendment 1:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

You'll not see "separation of church and state" worded per se in our constitution, but the "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means essentially the same thing. The "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means, while I as a public servant can certainly individually praise God and make my opinions known, when acting in an official capacity I can in no way sanction religion or the lack thereof. In practice, I can't tell co-workers or subordinates they must pray (or to whom), but I'm certainly entitled to give God the credit in my retirement speech (or any other personal speech).

I'll not get in the middle of a theological discussion (I do have strong convictions however). It's my opinion that those who wrote the constitution wisely believed religion was an individual and group thing which needed to be kept separate from making the laws of the land because everyone has their beliefs, many differ, and everyone thinks they're right. From a governmental perspective, the issue is not solvable.

troy2000 · 05-02-2008, 12:02 PM

The vast majority of legal scholars agree with you TXplt. And so do I. That doesn't mean, of course, that the ACLU and the courts don't get carried away and nitpicky sometimes.

If Roy Moore had stuck to having wooden plaques of the Ten Commandments on the wall of his courtroom, I'd have said, "leave the man be." But I think when he dragged a 2 1/2 ton sculpture into the middle of the building, he was deliberately picking a fight instead of just standing up for his convictions.

CrazyIvan · 05-02-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

It's a judge's duty to follow the law, not to write his own in the name of God and ignore the ones already in place. And if you stop and think about it, someone who blatantly and publicly defies lawful court orders really shouldn't have a license to practice law; he's already demonstrated he has no respect for it and thinks his personal beliefs are more important.

So what say you about the judges, police officers and government officials (many who hold law degrees) who do not uphold the immigration laws in this country? The Kali way regarding the 2nd amendment and immigration?

YankeeSpirit76 · 05-02-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

Mike, if he's going to honor what he consider's God's law over the laws he was sworn to uphold and apply as a judge, he should've been a preacher instead of a judge. Judges aren't supposed to pick and choose, and go with only the laws they like.

If your conscience and beliefs won't let you properly do the job you're hired to do, the proper thing to do is find another job and stop taking the paycheck..

+1 troy. Imagine their reaction if he were a fanatical mulsim instead of a fanatical christian.

troy2000 · 05-02-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

So what say you about the judges, police officers and government officials (many who hold law degrees) who do not uphold the immigration laws in this country? The Kali way regarding the 2nd amendment and immigration?

I haven't seen any judges blatantly refusing to follow the law in immigration cases around here; the usual whine is that they're too mean because they ARE following the law. And it's a police officer's job to follow orders, not to set his department's policy.

On the other hand, don't get me started on the government officials who haven't been doing their jobs at all until recently, and who even now are mostly just making gestures.

I'm not sure what 'the Kali way' is regarding immigration. Could you be a little more specific?

Obviously, I don't like some of the bs rules and laws California has regarding guns. But in a few ways it's better than other states. For example, I don't have to get a permission slip from my local Sheriff to buy a handgun.

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Originally Posted by YankeeSpirit76

+1 troy. Imagine their reaction if he were a fanatical mulsim instead of a fanatical christian.

Did you read about that Muslim convert bus driver in London, who kicked everyone off his bus for a few minutes so he could spread a rug and say his prayers?

When he finished and told them they could get back on board, most of them refused to do so because there was a backpack laying behind his seat, and they were afraid he'd been saying his final prayers...

CrazyIvan · 05-02-2008, 12:42 PM

kali way:

Illegalize so many different guns, you need to be a Lawyer for the NRA to understand completely what is lawful and what is not.
Allow so many illegal immigrants to inhabit the state of California and do nothing about it. They say there are 13 million illegals in the US. That is bullcrap! There are 12 million illegals in the Los Angeles area ALONE! I put the nationwide illegal immigrant number around 25-30 million. I've been hearing the numbers "12" and "13" million since I was 10 years old, and it is a bunch of bunk!

Police Officers are Law Enforcement Officers. They are supposed to FOLLOW and ENFORCE the LAW, not simply obey orders. The Police Officer's Union, if it cared about the US population being legal and safe from crimes committed by illegals, would hold a rally and strikes and speak out against the leaders of their cities regarding the LAX enforcement against illegal immigrants.

(The fact that LEO's simply obey orders also scares me because it lends more argument to the statement that when the day comes they want to take everyone's firearms, they will OBEY the orders to take them with whatever force is necessary. And people question their ability to disregard the orders of their upper eschelon. Well, your statements lend credence directly to support the statement that LEO's will come knocking on your door and do whatever is necessary to get you to comply to their orders, lawfull, constitutional, or not.)

Judges have resolved to convicting illegals with "Agricultural Tresspass" rather than uphold the law and send their asses back to whatever country they came from. This is a simple $100 (or so) fine (which is usually excused because of a letter sent by a pro bono lawyer) and they are sent on their way. It is bullcrap and a blatant disregard for the immigration laws of this country.

It really irks me that you sit and defend all these idiots for being so far left, they are falling off the edge of a round globe...yet when someone comes to defend the beliefs of a traditional and conservative-minded judge, you go off on them....I just don't get it.

Cyrille · 05-02-2008, 12:57 PM

I believe that if all the adhearents of their indiviual faiths followed the tennets/docterines of their particular beliefs this would be a much more peaceful planet. Particularlly concerning how they should treat other people(s)

troy2000 · 05-02-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

kali way:
Illegalize so many different guns, you need to be a Lawyer for the NRA to understand completely what is lawful and what is not.
Allow so many illegal immigrants to inhabit the state of California and do nothing about it. They say there are 13 million illegals in the US. That is bullcrap! There are 12 million illegals in the Los Angeles area ALONE! I put the nationwide illegal immigrant number around 25-30 million. I've been hearing the numbers "12" and "13" million since I was 10 years old, and it is a bunch of bunk!
Police Officers are Law Enforcement Officers. They are supposed to FOLLOW and ENFORCE the LAW, not simply obey orders. The Police Officer's Union, if it cared about the US population being legal and safe from crimes committed by illegals, would hold a rally and strikes and speak out against the leaders of their cities regarding the LAX enforcement against illegal immigrants.
(The fact that LEO's simply obey orders also scares me because it lends more argument to the statement that when the day comes they want to take everyone's firearms, they will OBEY the orders to take them with whatever force is necessary. And people question their ability to disregard the orders of their upper eschelon. Well, your statements lend credence directly to support the statement that LEO's will come knocking on your door and do whatever is necessary to get you to comply to their orders, lawfull, constitutional, or not.)
Judges have resolved to convicting illegals with "Agricultural Tresspass" rather than uphold the law and send their asses back to whatever country they came from. This is a simple $100 (or so) fine (which is usually excused because of a letter sent by a pro bono lawyer) and they are sent on their way. It is bullcrap and a blatant disregard for the immigration laws of this country.
It really irks me that you sit and defend all these idiots for being so far left, they are falling off the edge of a round globe...yet when someone comes to defend the beliefs of a traditional and conservative-minded judge, you go off on them....I just don't get it.

Whoa. Excuse me? Back off a little, son. Exactly where have I been "defending all these idiots for being so left...?"

I already said I don't like a lot of the bs gun laws California has. But it's easier to buy a handgun here than it is in North Carolina and some other places. That's a simple fact, not a defense of left-wing idiots.

The fact that California is bearing the brunt of the illegal immigration hardly means they're encouraging it. You think it's a total accident the first good fence to stop them was built between California and Baja California? It went up because California was raising hell about the problem.

I don't want my police officers being political activists, holding rallies and going on strike. I'll settle for them doing their normal duties, and not taking it upon themselves to enforce immigration laws they don't have jurisdiction over to begin with.

Maybe it's different where you live. But out here, immigration cases are heard by federal immigration judges. And they don't issue "agricultural trespass tickets" instead of deportation orders.

Ratchet down the hostility level a little if you want to keep discussing this with me; I'm tired of people on Gun and Game rudely getting in my face.

CrazyIvan · 05-02-2008, 01:10 PM

You're right, it is the duty of immigration judges to take action against illegal immigrants.

But, it is the duty of the LEO to arrest them and take them to the lockup to be sent before that judge.

People will argue that the court can not handle the numbers....

Well, instead of hiring more cops to handle the increased crime committed by illegal immigrants, how about keeping it the same and hiring more judges to handle the numbers?

As it stands now, cops pull over an illegal immigrant on the road and let them go. That is wrong. They don't even bother writing tickets or anything else, because they know it will never be paid.

I've noticed the speed traps in Denver in areas that have been infiltrated by the illegal population invasion disappearing. They know the majority of the folks who drive through these areas are illegal, and there is no point in stopping them for traffic offenses because it isn't going to do anything. This goes on around the country.

Everyone knows San Fran and Los Angeles are bigtime sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants. The political leaders and law enforcement agencies do nothing. All they do is ask LEGAL CITIZENS for more money to handle the added crime and problems arizing from illegal immigrants.

Gun laws, we all know anti-gun laws do not stop gun crime. Yet, Cali pretty much takes the lead on anti-gun legislation. I believe NY would be 2nd.

I'm not trying to attack you...but, I believe this judge was in the right and his being kicked out was wrong.

I am not Christian, but I am conservative, and I believe the political leaders and law enforcement in this country is a snowball down a ski-slope going left. It is gaining speed and getting bigger.

Eventually, we will be ruled by a socialistic authoritarian government where we will all be taxed 75%, our guns will be taken, we will not be able to speak out publicly against the beliefs and actions we believe are wrong, and everyone will be paid from a big pot of money we all pay into. The amount we get will depend on the color of our skin. Any dissertion of this system will dub you as a domestic terrorist and you will lose all of your rights and convicted.

The problem leading this is that the leftists so often make role models of people and hold people up on a soap box who would have our country run this way. I see so many "Obama 2008" bumper stickers on the road, it scares the shizit out of me. Do these people really know what they are supporting? I don't think so. The virus will spread, the lies will more often be taken as truth. Our population will be diluted with illegals and people who are not educated with the facts. These people are so willing to let go of any control we have as citizens of this country. We will end up in a world I listed above.

I don't necessarily agree with spiritual beliefs of Christians, but I do believe that the Christian foundation laid by the founders of this country because of their Christian beliefs is the best in the history of this world. To abandon those practices by the governing force the founders laid out in the beginning will take us down a road I am affraid to travel.

This Judge was flattened by this snowball-turned-avalanche and it is disgustingly wrong.

As far as immigration, this is the type of legislation that should be taken to law and ENFORCED!

House approves Tancredo's amendment on 'sanctuary cities' : Local News : The Rocky Mountain News

TXplt · 05-02-2008, 02:22 PM

I might be wrong, but I seriously doubt the guy was blindsided and fired. I think it very likely others informed him on multiple occasions that what he was doing was inconsistent with enforcing the laws and constitution (which he was charged with doing).

When I was commissioned, had my religious beliefs precluded my taking the oath, it would have been my responsiblity not to. They did not, and I agreed to support and defend the constitution. If a public servant gets to the point he or she is unable to do that anymore (for whatever beliefs or reasons) he or she needs to leave.

While I might agree on what he may have to say, that doesn't entitle him to circumvent his charge as a public servant. That's the point. Likewise, obama or hillary might not like guns, but they still have the responsiblity to support and defend the 2A because that's what they agreed to do. If they can't do this, they need to leave public service.

troy2000 · 05-02-2008, 02:36 PM

Ivan, do you believe the federal U.S. District Judge who ordered the sculpture removed; the members of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals who affirmed that order; the other eight Justices of the Alabama State Supreme Court who ordered him to obey the court order; the entire Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission, which filed a unanimous complaint against him with the Alabama Court of the Judiciary (COJ) for not doing so; and the members of the COJ who removed him from office are all 'left-wing idiots?'

To believe that, you'd have to believe the entire legal and judicial structure of Alabama, one of the most conservative states in the Union, is comprised of left-wing idiots. I doubt that's true.

CrazyIvan · 05-02-2008, 02:48 PM

I believe they agreed with him, but were pressured by the Media and other Leftist associations and politicians...ACLU, ISNA and others.

Goes back to my point about letting them control us.

troy2000 · 05-02-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

I believe they agreed with him, but were pressured by the Media and other Leftist associations and politicians...ACLU, ISNA and others.
Goes back to my point about letting them control us.

I think you just insulted the entire state government and judiciary of Alabama, Ivan.

Do you think Judge Moore is the only man in Alabama who had any integrity? That everyone one else, including the other eight member of the State Supreme Court, were media whores who bowed to it so it wouldn't run bad stories about them in California and New York?

If they'd been making their decisions that way, they'd have bowed to public opinion in Alabama instead, which was firmly behind Moore.

The reality is that a State Justice simply can't tell a Federal District Judge and a Federal Court of Appeals to kiss off, and expect to keep his job. If he won't obey court orders, why should anyone have to obey his?

Here's a pretty good blog by an actual judge, musing on how and why judicial decisions are made by appeals courts:

Have Opinion, Will Travel: "Conservative" v. "Liberal" Courts - A reality check.

CrazyIvan · 05-02-2008, 03:16 PM

I'm happy. They should know that we as a people aren't going to take crap from anyone! We are sick of bowing to the will of the leftists who want their say but won't let you have yours. They need to know that those who bow to the leftists are as bad as the leftists themselves.

GlockMeister · 05-02-2008, 03:19 PM

DEEP BREATHES PEOPLE! In through the mouth, out through the nose.

SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LMAO

CrazyIvan · 05-02-2008, 03:22 PM

I'm just talking, not really huffy. Sorry if I came off like I was.

I just don't want our country to turn into the next USSR. That would be bad; with these PC leftists hading into power, I believe that is the road we are going down.

mgarland · 05-03-2008, 01:58 PM

IN REGARDS TO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE COURT HOUSE, AND UNDER WHATEVER PRETEXT OR HOWEVER THEY WERE SMUGGLED IN, THE MOST DISTURBING THING IS THAT THEIR VERY PRESENCE WOULD CREATE ENOUGH OF A CONTROVERSY THAT THEY WOULD BE REMOVED. YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE DISSENTERS, BUT IT REVEALS TO ME WHERE OUR COUNTRY IS AT SPIRITUALLY AS WELL AS MORALLY. IN II TIMOTHY CHAPTER 3 IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS THAT IN THE LAST DAYS MEN WILL BECOME LOVERS OF THEIR OWN SELVES AND PLEASURES, RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD. PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CRIME RATE, THE HORRIBLE THINGS IN THE NEWS, AND YET THE VERY COMMANDMENTS THAT THEY WANT REMOVED, IF THEY WERE FOLLOWED, WOULD DO AWAY WITH ANY NEED OF A COURT HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
A COURTHOUSE REPRESENTS LAW AND ORDER IF ANY PLACE DOES. WHAT GREATER STANDARD TO HAVE THAN THE GREATEST LAWS EVER GIVEN? HEY, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WERE POSTED AT A ZOO OR CHILDREN'S PARK, ALTHOUGH MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND MORE ACCEPTANCE THERE. AFTER ALL, REMEMBER WHAT JESUS SAID? SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN TO COME UNTO ME FOR OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

05-01-2008, 07:39 PM	#44
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,773 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	Ok--once again.....Here's amendment 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. You'll not see "separation of church and state" worded per se in our constitution, but the "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means essentially the same thing. The "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means, while I as a public servant can certainly individually praise God and make my opinions known, when acting in an official capacity I can in no way sanction religion or the lack thereof. In practice, I can't tell co-workers or subordinates they must pray (or to whom), but I'm certainly entitled to give God the credit in my retirement speech (or any other personal speech). I'll not get in the middle of a theological discussion (I do have strong convictions however). It's my opinion that those who wrote the constitution wisely believed religion was an individual and group thing which needed to be kept separate from making the laws of the land because everyone has their beliefs, many differ, and everyone thinks they're right. From a governmental perspective, the issue is not solvable. __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

05-02-2008, 12:02 PM	#45
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,402 Images: 9	The vast majority of legal scholars agree with you TXplt. And so do I. That doesn't mean, of course, that the ACLU and the courts don't get carried away and nitpicky sometimes. If Roy Moore had stuck to having wooden plaques of the Ten Commandments on the wall of his courtroom, I'd have said, "leave the man be." But I think when he dragged a 2 1/2 ton sculpture into the middle of the building, he was deliberately picking a fight instead of just standing up for his convictions. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-02-2008 at 02:20 PM.

05-02-2008, 12:42 PM	#49
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	kali way: Illegalize so many different guns, you need to be a Lawyer for the NRA to understand completely what is lawful and what is not. Allow so many illegal immigrants to inhabit the state of California and do nothing about it. They say there are 13 million illegals in the US. That is bullcrap! There are 12 million illegals in the Los Angeles area ALONE! I put the nationwide illegal immigrant number around 25-30 million. I've been hearing the numbers "12" and "13" million since I was 10 years old, and it is a bunch of bunk! Police Officers are Law Enforcement Officers. They are supposed to FOLLOW and ENFORCE the LAW, not simply obey orders. The Police Officer's Union, if it cared about the US population being legal and safe from crimes committed by illegals, would hold a rally and strikes and speak out against the leaders of their cities regarding the LAX enforcement against illegal immigrants. (The fact that LEO's simply obey orders also scares me because it lends more argument to the statement that when the day comes they want to take everyone's firearms, they will OBEY the orders to take them with whatever force is necessary. And people question their ability to disregard the orders of their upper eschelon. Well, your statements lend credence directly to support the statement that LEO's will come knocking on your door and do whatever is necessary to get you to comply to their orders, lawfull, constitutional, or not.) Judges have resolved to convicting illegals with "Agricultural Tresspass" rather than uphold the law and send their asses back to whatever country they came from. This is a simple $100 (or so) fine (which is usually excused because of a letter sent by a pro bono lawyer) and they are sent on their way. It is bullcrap and a blatant disregard for the immigration laws of this country. It really irks me that you sit and defend all these idiots for being so far left, they are falling off the edge of a round globe...yet when someone comes to defend the beliefs of a traditional and conservative-minded judge, you go off on them....I just don't get it. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me Last edited by CrazyIvan; 05-02-2008 at 12:47 PM.

05-02-2008, 01:10 PM	#52
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	You're right, it is the duty of immigration judges to take action against illegal immigrants. But, it is the duty of the LEO to arrest them and take them to the lockup to be sent before that judge. People will argue that the court can not handle the numbers.... Well, instead of hiring more cops to handle the increased crime committed by illegal immigrants, how about keeping it the same and hiring more judges to handle the numbers? As it stands now, cops pull over an illegal immigrant on the road and let them go. That is wrong. They don't even bother writing tickets or anything else, because they know it will never be paid. I've noticed the speed traps in Denver in areas that have been infiltrated by the illegal population invasion disappearing. They know the majority of the folks who drive through these areas are illegal, and there is no point in stopping them for traffic offenses because it isn't going to do anything. This goes on around the country. Everyone knows San Fran and Los Angeles are bigtime sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants. The political leaders and law enforcement agencies do nothing. All they do is ask LEGAL CITIZENS for more money to handle the added crime and problems arizing from illegal immigrants. Gun laws, we all know anti-gun laws do not stop gun crime. Yet, Cali pretty much takes the lead on anti-gun legislation. I believe NY would be 2nd. I'm not trying to attack you...but, I believe this judge was in the right and his being kicked out was wrong. I am not Christian, but I am conservative, and I believe the political leaders and law enforcement in this country is a snowball down a ski-slope going left. It is gaining speed and getting bigger. Eventually, we will be ruled by a socialistic authoritarian government where we will all be taxed 75%, our guns will be taken, we will not be able to speak out publicly against the beliefs and actions we believe are wrong, and everyone will be paid from a big pot of money we all pay into. The amount we get will depend on the color of our skin. Any dissertion of this system will dub you as a domestic terrorist and you will lose all of your rights and convicted. The problem leading this is that the leftists so often make role models of people and hold people up on a soap box who would have our country run this way. I see so many "Obama 2008" bumper stickers on the road, it scares the shizit out of me. Do these people really know what they are supporting? I don't think so. The virus will spread, the lies will more often be taken as truth. Our population will be diluted with illegals and people who are not educated with the facts. These people are so willing to let go of any control we have as citizens of this country. We will end up in a world I listed above. I don't necessarily agree with spiritual beliefs of Christians, but I do believe that the Christian foundation laid by the founders of this country because of their Christian beliefs is the best in the history of this world. To abandon those practices by the governing force the founders laid out in the beginning will take us down a road I am affraid to travel. This Judge was flattened by this snowball-turned-avalanche and it is disgustingly wrong. As far as immigration, this is the type of legislation that should be taken to law and ENFORCED! House approves Tancredo's amendment on 'sanctuary cities' : Local News : The Rocky Mountain News Last edited by CrazyIvan; 05-02-2008 at 01:34 PM.

05-02-2008, 02:22 PM	#53
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,773 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	I might be wrong, but I seriously doubt the guy was blindsided and fired. I think it very likely others informed him on multiple occasions that what he was doing was inconsistent with enforcing the laws and constitution (which he was charged with doing). When I was commissioned, had my religious beliefs precluded my taking the oath, it would have been my responsiblity not to. They did not, and I agreed to support and defend the constitution. If a public servant gets to the point he or she is unable to do that anymore (for whatever beliefs or reasons) he or she needs to leave. While I might agree on what he may have to say, that doesn't entitle him to circumvent his charge as a public servant. That's the point. Likewise, obama or hillary might not like guns, but they still have the responsiblity to support and defend the 2A because that's what they agreed to do. If they can't do this, they need to leave public service. __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

05-02-2008, 12:57 PM	#50
Cyrille Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 1,834	I believe that if all the adhearents of their indiviual faiths followed the tennets/docterines of their particular beliefs this would be a much more peaceful planet. Particularlly concerning how they should treat other people(s)

05-02-2008, 02:36 PM	#54
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,402 Images: 9	Ivan, do you believe the federal U.S. District Judge who ordered the sculpture removed; the members of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals who affirmed that order; the other eight Justices of the Alabama State Supreme Court who ordered him to obey the court order; the entire Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission, which filed a unanimous complaint against him with the Alabama Court of the Judiciary (COJ) for not doing so; and the members of the COJ who removed him from office are all 'left-wing idiots?' To believe that, you'd have to believe the entire legal and judicial structure of Alabama, one of the most conservative states in the Union, is comprised of left-wing idiots. I doubt that's true. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-02-2008 at 02:38 PM.

05-02-2008, 02:48 PM	#55
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	I believe they agreed with him, but were pressured by the Media and other Leftist associations and politicians...ACLU, ISNA and others. Goes back to my point about letting them control us. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-02-2008, 03:16 PM	#57
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	I'm happy. They should know that we as a people aren't going to take crap from anyone! We are sick of bowing to the will of the leftists who want their say but won't let you have yours. They need to know that those who bow to the leftists are as bad as the leftists themselves.

05-02-2008, 03:19 PM	#58
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,362	DEEP BREATHES PEOPLE! In through the mouth, out through the nose. SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LMAO __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

05-02-2008, 03:22 PM	#59
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	I'm just talking, not really huffy. Sorry if I came off like I was. I just don't want our country to turn into the next USSR. That would be bad; with these PC leftists hading into power, I believe that is the road we are going down. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-03-2008, 01:58 PM	#60
mgarland Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1	THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE COURT HOUSE, AND UNDER WHATEVER PRETEXT OR HOWEVER THEY WERE SMUGGLED IN, THE MOST DISTURBING THING IS THAT THEIR VERY PRESENCE WOULD CREATE ENOUGH OF A CONTROVERSY THAT THEY WOULD BE REMOVED. YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE DISSENTERS, BUT IT REVEALS TO ME WHERE OUR COUNTRY IS AT SPIRITUALLY AS WELL AS MORALLY. IN II TIMOTHY CHAPTER 3 IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS THAT IN THE LAST DAYS MEN WILL BECOME LOVERS OF THEIR OWN SELVES AND PLEASURES, RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD. PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CRIME RATE, THE HORRIBLE THINGS IN THE NEWS, AND YET THE VERY COMMANDMENTS THAT THEY WANT REMOVED, IF THEY WERE FOLLOWED, WOULD DO AWAY WITH ANY NEED OF A COURT HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. A COURTHOUSE REPRESENTS LAW AND ORDER IF ANY PLACE DOES. WHAT GREATER STANDARD TO HAVE THAN THE GREATEST LAWS EVER GIVEN? HEY, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WERE POSTED AT A ZOO OR CHILDREN'S PARK, ALTHOUGH MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND MORE ACCEPTANCE THERE. AFTER ALL, REMEMBER WHAT JESUS SAID? SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN TO COME UNTO ME FOR OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.