Former Alabama Judges Poem

[TexasT]

^nice first post noob. Try starting out in the "Introductions" forum before posting in the general forums. You will be received much better.

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by mgarland

IN REGARDS TO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE COURT HOUSE, AND UNDER WHATEVER PRETEXT OR HOWEVER THEY WERE SMUGGLED IN, THE MOST DISTURBING THING IS THAT THEIR VERY PRESENCE WOULD CREATE ENOUGH OF A CONTROVERSY THAT THEY WOULD BE REMOVED. YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE DISSENTERS, BUT IT REVEALS TO ME WHERE OUR COUNTRY IS AT SPIRITUALLY AS WELL AS MORALLY. IN II TIMOTHY CHAPTER 3 IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS THAT IN THE LAST DAYS MEN WILL BECOME LOVERS OF THEIR OWN SELVES AND PLEASURES, RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD. PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CRIME RATE, THE HORRIBLE THINGS IN THE NEWS, AND YET THE VERY COMMANDMENTS THAT THEY WANT REMOVED, IF THEY WERE FOLLOWED, WOULD DO AWAY WITH ANY NEED OF A COURT HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
A COURTHOUSE REPRESENTS LAW AND ORDER IF ANY PLACE DOES. WHAT GREATER STANDARD TO HAVE THAN THE GREATEST LAWS EVER GIVEN? HEY, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WERE POSTED AT A ZOO OR CHILDREN'S PARK, ALTHOUGH MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND MORE ACCEPTANCE THERE. AFTER ALL, REMEMBER WHAT JESUS SAID? SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN TO COME UNTO ME FOR OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Whether it be the laws of the land, the Golden Rule, or The Ten Commandments, some people are rebellious by nature. If they weren't, the prisons wouldn't be suffering from over-crowding.

[TexasT]

Brobo, I'm thinking he might be a troll? He came straight to this thread without talking about his guns first.

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by TexasT

Brobo, I'm thinking he might be a troll? He came straight to this thread without talking about his guns first.

Now just a darn minute! You already said I was a troll! There is no room for more than one troll on this site! Where's my two goats when I need them! Ungrateful bastids!

[ArkansasHunter]

WOW this Thread is still drawing attention. LOL Like I said in another post why did or why do we have to remove these things discussed here, when Washington D.C. is covered with it ?

Again I'm proud of the Judge for what he did, I would do the same.

Tell me why is God of the Bible inscribed many places in Washington.
Why does our currentcy have in God we trust on it ?
Why does the Supreme court doors have the 10 comandents carved into it ?
Should I also mention the Pledge of Allegents too ?

How did we go wrong or where did we go wrong ? This was a Christian nation.
Has all the filth and immoral crap some have generated, changed so many people today ?

Have so many Americans turned there backs on God and will not stand up ?

Look what has happened to America, the greatest and most powerful nation in the world is crumbling because so many either don't believe or have turned there backs on God of the Bible.

Did you not know ? Something you might say here at this post will be used against you judgement day, if it's against God ?
It will be, read your Bible and see.
Jesus even said if your ashamed of me I will be ashamed of you and who so ever will not confess me I will like wise Not confess him to my Father which is in Heaven.
He also said his word is sharper than a 2 edge sword. Meaning it cuts deep into the heart and souls of people and in turn people hate the word of God for it.
Because it is truth.

Anytime I can stand up for God or Jesus I will stand up !!! Like this Judge did.

When a Judge decrees turn in your guns, will you stand up and say NO ?

God of the Bible has blessed me and continues to bless me, he healed me one day !
I was in a wreck and was crippled.
I now can walk and stand up straight I'm never in any pain from it. I am just like you and can get around and do anything now.
Because of his love for me, I sure didn't deserve it.

So understand I know this God is REAL so I will stand up for him at any cost !!!

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Now just a darn minute! You already said I was a troll! There is no room for more than one troll on this site! Where's my two goats when I need them! Ungrateful bastids!

No, I think I called you a gremlin. Let's just let this thread die.

[ArkansasHunter]

Can someone show a document that says Seperation from Church and State ?

[TexasT]

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

[Deersniper]

Woe is the Judge who says right is wrong and wrong is right. That will be up to the BIG judge. We are not to judge, it is Gods job. Our job is to love one another and resist evil at all costs. We race through hell and limp thru heaven.

[7mmremmag1995]

thats some powerful stuff

[SwedeSteve]

After reading this whole thread, I am reminded why I do not combine religion and politics in the same conversation.

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

After reading this whole thread, I am reminded why I do not combine religion and politics in the same conversation.

Religion and politics will get you in trouble!............. So lets talk about SEX!

[ArkansasHunter]

Thank you Texas T.
After reading that it reads like theres not to be a seperation from chuch and state.

Quote :I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

I wonder if that means he/they didn't want to build a wall of seperation ? between church and state.
Thats what it looks like to me and an established church is what they left in England.

[TexasT]

No, Thomas Jefferson is saying religion is personal and shouldn't be governed.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Thank you Texas T.
After reading that it reads like theres not to be a seperation from chuch and state.
Quote :I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.
I wonder if that means he/they didn't want to build a wall of seperation ? between church and state.
Thats what it looks like to me and an established church is what they left in England.

No; he meant that by saying that, they WERE building a wall of separation between Church and State. In England, the Church was an arm of the State.

Think about it this way, Mike. If a judge has God and the Ten Commandments in his heart, he doesn't need a 2 1/2 ton granite sculpture to prove it. I think he was showing off and waving his religion around, instead of simply demonstrating respect for the Lord. It was an act of arrogance, not of reverence.

[ArkansasHunter]

troy I don't think arrogance is the correct word. I would call it ( I'll try to spell it)
diffiance.

Kind of like many here includeing me, if we had to give up our 2nd. ammendment right.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

troy I don't think arrogance is the correct word. I would call it ( I'll try to spell it)
diffiance.

Kind of like many here includeing me, if we had to give up our 2nd. ammendment right.

Well, I think it was arrogant of him to do it out of defiance, Mike.

You know he was put up to it by the Christian Family Foundation and Coral Ridge Ministries, don't you? The Christian Family Foundation were the ones who approached him to run in the first place, and paid for his campaign. He started arranging for the sculpture the first month he was in office. Coral Ridge Ministries supported and filmed the installation of the sculpture and his press conference, and sold videotapes of the event. The money from those sales went toward Moore's legal bills.

I'm not sure that running for Chief Justice as the instrument of a church to make a point, instead of wanting to become a Justice in order to do the whole job to the best of his ability, was really a good idea to begin with; I'd say his loyalties were misplaced.

I'm not doubting the sincerity of his beliefs, or that he meant well. But it turned out badly, I'd say.

[ezearln]

The letter to the Danbury Basptists was one to pacify, they thinking that the Methodists were about to be named as the "official State Church" and that isn't the letter in it's entirety nor is it properly presented, the fact is there are many references to God, Christianity, and faith in general replete through the documents that pertain to this nations foundation. And far more than Jefferson's letter to Danbury attest to the belief these people had that God was and is an intregal part of what we do as a people . What they were attempting to do was to prevent any singular secular imposition upon the people and Government as a whole. I don't care if you want to worship the hood ornament on your Dodge Truck, do it if you believe it's right but just like the folks that wrote the 1st, don't make it a requirement of my citizenship. But no where do the words nor any that can be reasonably convoluted to their purpose state there is a "Separtion of Church and State" It simply does not exist.

[TXplt]

Earl,

With all due respect kind sir, take a look at post 44. The specific words don't exist, but the concept does. As does our right to practice individually.

Cheers.

[ezearln]

TXplt the actual letter does indeed still exist and unfortunately has been so quoted out of context that much isn't known to the general public. The letter as I recall is several paragraphs long posed in much the same flowerly speech as was common for the period. But Jefferson only alluded to any such "Separation as being in "essence" and not a denial of faith upon anyones part. In fact the letter in it's entirety was used successfully to block many attempts to remove prayer or in fact any meantion of faith of any kind from public schools for many years, that is until the Liberal Supremes of the 60's allowed Mad Madelyn to use ONLY the paragraph pertaining to Jefferson's comment that in "essense there shall always be a wall of separation between Church and State"