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Originally Posted by soonerborn  I didnt say that there was anything wrong with buying American products. What I said was that it is wrong to exclude imported products solely because they are imported. |
Have you noticed that as close to Canada as we live there is very little here in the states that is made in Canada? why is that? Why is most all the stuff we import from an Asian country? If I have a choice and i can buy American, I do, regardless.
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I too have pride when I buy something American, theres nothing wrong with taking pride in your country, believe me I do. What I dont do is just buy it because it is American. For example if I am buying jeans I buy Nautica because I like the fit and finish better on them than any other. They say made in USA but most of them arent, just like Levi, Lee and practically every other brand. You can still buy some Wranglers made here but I have never liked them. My tiller is a very old Troy built, made in USA and is hands down the best tiller out there and I am very proud to have it.
Unfortunately today just because it has an American name on it doesnt mean it was made in the US. Most large manufacturers have moved overseas so those spiffy Levis hanging in your closet were probably made outside the US.
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If they AREN'T made in the USA then they CAN NOT have the stamp on them that they are.
Did you know that Wranglers come in several fits and that they have a ONE YEAR WARRANTY? No other jean does. Did you know that Wrangler has the Heavy seam on the outside of the leg, so it doesn't chaff you when riding a Horse, motorcycle etc? Did you know they have 7 belt loops versus 5? Did you know Wrangler shirts have a longer tail, so they stay tucked in?? They are also AMERICAN and made better and out of a heavier cloth.
As far as Troy, yup! you have the best.
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Like I said we just differ on this. IMO buying American just because its American is practiced by either racists or well intentioned people misguided into a socialist practice by patriotism. I am sure you fall into the later category so dont start spouting that I am suggesting that you are racist.
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Am I confused or what? How is American RACIST?????? I think too many people are hiding behind a word they have no clue what it means. Americans are NOT a RACE they are a CULTURE. Buying American in no way is an example of being RACIST.
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The proof is as they say in the pudding. In the 80s people were screaming that Japan practically owned the US. Every time a Japanese business or businessman bought property in the US it was televised and asserted as proof that one day soon Japan would own the US. People where saying stuff like "Who really won WWII?". People were screaming about the deficit and all the dollars pouring out of the country. Now its being replaced with China. One difference in the whole thing is that unlike Japan, China is not our friend but they are really not an enemy at this point either. Despite our having a huge trade deficit for the past 30 years, our economy has exploded over that time frame.
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Chinese Trade and Chinese Government are two different entities. They want Taiwan and they have warned us. They will take it and when they shot down that Weather Satellite, that was a demostration that they are prepared to fight us if need be. Prior to 1996 they had a ZERO for a SPACE PROGRAM and thanks to Bill Clinton they now have a man in space. Clinton's idea of GLOBALIZATION is why we are where we are today, in a real mess.
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Its just not as simple anymore as saying that if you buy American products you are supporting America. Whether you like it or not the global economy is here to stay.
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Be ready to speak Chinese....... Time will tell whether the Global Economy is here to stay or not, so far I see economies crashing, recessions hitting, and rogue countries gaining power, power that will sooner or later have to be neutralized at the cost of human Life.
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Originally Posted by TXplt Wing--you are right about the food thing. Starvation drives revolutions. We're fortunate in that we can generally feed our people and our $ spent on food is a relatively low fraction of our income compared to other nations. As energy prices climb, crop and food prices will follow suit. You can probably still eat if food prices double or triple. Not so for alot of the world.
My point about our own oil is it's time to take the cuffs off and get out of the way. We need to develop energy sources, and we need to use what we got here in the mean time. This is our own coal and oil. The people I talk to in AK want oil exploration--rightfully, the oil's theirs as well (it's sitting under their state). Why does Washington get in the way ?
Other countries make the $, and then use it to buy at bargain basement prices back in the US, exploiting our weakening dollar. Holding oil in reserve (or coal) at this stage is asinine. Many of these other countries don't like us as well, and can use the $ to push their agendas. What happens WHEN we finally do develop hydrogen power cars, nuclear breeders and fusion, etc., and the oil loses value--once again we've passed up an opportunity to effectively be OUR OWN OPEC. Meanwhile, more $ by foreign interests also means the potential for these $ to corrupt our own government by potentially "buying" politicians. These politicians then "globalize" our liberties and values, and undermine our own constitution. The threat from sitting on our resources is very real.
A global economy is fine, but allowing other countries to hurt our core values by exploiting our economy isn't. To prevent this, our government needs mostly to get out of the way, save initiaitives TO BUILD new energy sources. |
Well said Txplt
Washington doesn't get in the way, it is the whiners of this country. No one wanted an Oil Refinery built in their backyard and now those same ones are demanding a solution. Everyone wanted a cleaner and less OPEC dependent means of fuel and they blindly chased after E85 which is a BIG JOKE and is more of a pollutant and uses more fossil fuel than if you just burned regular gas. We are chasing our tails. people cried over the Valdez and made a Pony show over the trial of th ship's Capt for along time. That gave the Tree Huggers more leverage and now we need the ANWR and can't seem to get it from Enviromental laws that were put in to place by Tree Hugger Lobbist.
We listen to them and we shut down our Nuke Plants, we stop exploring in so-called sensitive areas and we stopped building the refineries out of fear of enviromental errosion.
It ain't WASHINGTON, it is US. We have created our very own Monster and we will have to sleep with it for awhile until the years of Enviromental lobbying is able to be somewhat undone.
I am afraid the likes of Chavez and that jerk off in Iran will get their way and they will make Billions off of everyone's suffering, that is until the world wakes up and has had enough and then the guns will begin firing and their will be lost of human life by the millions.
I am repeating what was preached to me about 25 years ago. Some philosipher predicted that World War III was going to be started in the Middle East and that was going to be a war unlike any war before. There was going to be Peace on Earth after, but it was going to be a long war. Well there is a war unlike any war before, right now in the middle East and it is growing more so with the hoarding of the oil and the increasing pricing.
I am sure ready to listen to anyone else's predictions, cuz I am worried that ole philosipher from years ago is having thei rpredictions come true.
05-16-2008, 08:53 AM
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