Democrats and guns

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by samuel

Are you trying to tell us there aren't?That is the count I got and I used both my fingers and toes. sam.

There isn't that many people in the whole county.

[George Bruce]

Originally Posted by troy2000

That's the third election lately where a Republican in what used to be a safe district has been beaten by a conservative Democrat--I hope we're seeing a trend here, where each of the major parties becomes a little more balanced, and has to start appealing to a broad range of people instead of just the hard-core, activist bases they've been appealing to.

Those folks in Mississippi certainly didn't elect that guy to go to Washington simply to rubber-stamp any agenda Nancy Pelosi might have..

They might claim to be "conservatives" during the election campaign, yet they will be rubber stamping like machines when they get to DC. Be honest, for whom will they vote for committee chairs or leadership positions? Conservatives or even moderates? Or whomever the Party leadership nominates? No, Democrats in Congress who buck the Party leadership will be even more lonely and less powerful than the handful of Republicans surviving.

Originally Posted by tlarkin

Where did you get all these ideas from? Illegals can't vote either, so I am not sure your point there.

You really think they will ban guns in America? Honestly?

I expect a lot of illegals are voting now. And with a commanding majority in both houses of Congress, the Billary Obama administration will make all the illegals legal with a stroke of a pen. All they need to stay in power indefinitely is to import a few millions of brand new third world voters in time for any election that might be in doubt. Like the old saying goes, if the electorate does not do as you want, get a new electorate. This may be the last election in which Americans get to chose their leaders.

And yes, they definitely will ban guns in America if they can.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by George Bruce

They might claim to be "conservatives" during the election campaign, yet they will be rubber stamping like machines when they get to DC. Be honest, for whom will they vote for committee chairs or leadership positions? Conservatives or even moderates? Or whomever the Party leadership nominates? No, Democrats in Congress who buck the Party leadership will be even more lonely and less powerful than the handful of Republicans surviving.

You might want to consider the possibility they are who they say they are, instead of being charlatans and liars the voters were too stupid to unmask. And I assure you the Democrats aren't going to have such large majorities they can afford to throw away votes in the House. The conservative and moderate members aren't going to be the tail that wags the dog, but even a relative handful can be influential, because they'[ll be needed on close votes.

Originally Posted by George Bruce

I expect a lot of illegals are voting now.

No, they aren't. No one's been able to find any evidence whatsoever of a systemic problem with illegals voting, in spite of the hype. The new ID laws the Republicans have been pushing are a solution looking for a problem, playing on peoples' fears and cynicism.

[George Bruce]

Originally Posted by troy2000

You might want to consider the possibility they are who they say they are, instead of being charlatans and liars the voters were too stupid to unmask.

I don't believe I called them charlatans and liars. I do call them politicians, (and that may be a worse insult.) As politicians, I expect them to act like politicians always do. They will weight the benefits and consequences of their votes and consider the balance of power. They will consider the costs of bucking the Party leadership vs. the benefits of bringing home pork and aiding their contributors. And they will decide as politicians usually do, to act in their own best interests.

Plus, politicians with a helpful Party leadership are adept at masking their records. If there are more votes than needed to pass a particular bill, representatives from districts where the bill is unpopular and who are facing challenges in the next election are allowed to vote against a bill that will pass anyway.

If you think this is untrue, then explain to me exactly how the "assault weapons" ban passed. The numbers don't lie. It passed with the votes of all kinds of "moderate" Democrats and a few Republicans. And with a Democrat in the White House and a strong majority in Congress, there is exactly a 100% chance that something worse will pass early next year. Probably in February or March. For the lefties who have been out of control for a while, this is payback time. And we all know what paybacks can be. I suspect it is you who thinks the voters are stupid.

No, they aren't. No one's been able to find any evidence whatsoever of a systemic problem with illegals voting, in spite of the hype.

No evidence? You mean no government funded university studies. Hardly surprising there. I live in a majority Hispanic district. And I know from personal experience that illegals are voting, and not just one or two.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by troy2000

You might want to consider the possibility they are who they say they are, instead of being charlatans and liars the voters were too stupid to unmask. And I assure you the Democrats aren't going to have such large majorities they can afford to throw away votes in the House. The conservative and moderate members aren't going to be the tail that wags the dog, but even a relative handful can be influential, because they'[ll be needed on close votes.




No, they aren't. No one's been able to find any evidence whatsoever of a systemic problem with illegals voting, in spite of the hype. The new ID laws the Republicans have been pushing are a solution looking for a problem, playing on peoples' fears and cynicism.

How would you know considering that California made it illegal to check voter ID's?

'course the Demo-rats like it that way so they can expand their voter base of poor, ignorant people.

[patrick70]

Did California really do that.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by George Bruce

I don't believe I called them charlatans and liars. I do call them politicians, (and that may be a worse insult.) As politicians, I expect them to act like politicians always do. They will weight the benefits and consequences of their votes and consider the balance of power. They will consider the costs of bucking the Party leadership vs. the benefits of bringing home pork and aiding their contributors. And they will decide as politicians usually do, to act in their own best interests.

Plus, politicians with a helpful Party leadership are adept at masking their records. If there are more votes than needed to pass a particular bill, representatives from districts where the bill is unpopular and who are facing challenges in the next election are allowed to vote against a bill that will pass anyway.

If you think this is untrue, then explain to me exactly how the "assault weapons" ban passed. The numbers don't lie. It passed with the votes of all kinds of "moderate" Democrats and a few Republicans. And with a Democrat in the White House and a strong majority in Congress, there is exactly a 100% chance that something worse will pass early next year. Probably in February or March. For the lefties who have been out of control for a while, this is payback time. And we all know what paybacks can be. I suspect it is you who thinks the voters are stupid.



No evidence? You mean no government funded university studies. Hardly surprising there. I live in a majority Hispanic district. And I know from personal experience that illegals are voting, and not just one or two.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you over who thinks voters are stupid, but I'm not the one saying those people elected congressmen who are going to be the exact opposite of what they claim to be.

Although you may not believe it (and I don't like it), banning "assault weapons" is generally considered a moderate position, not a kooky idea from the left-wing fringe. That's why moderates voted for it, not because they were buffaloed or shanghaied by a radical leadership. Remember: the membership of each house elects it's own leaders. It's not the other way around.

There are no studies showing any systemic, worrisome problem with illegals voting, period--government funded or otherwise. If there were, the Republicans who are pushing the voter ID acts would be stuffing those studies in our faces 24/7. Even the Supreme Court acknowledged that when it upheld the voter ID act before it a little while back.

I think in the long run, requiring voter ID's is not only a good idea, but inevitable. But there's no doubt the Republicans are pushing them right now because in the short run it'll knock out more Democratic votes than Republican ones; the demographics favor them. Poor people who don't drive, elderly rural people who have trouble coming up with birth certificates and the like tend to vote Democratic.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by patrick70

Did California really do that.

I kid you not.

[Mad Hatter]

When the micro-stamped ammo law gets put through, they are going to give you a certain amount of time to dispose of all of your non stamped ammo.. Thats what I have read from states that are trying to do this already. Soooo, I guess the ammo went down to the bottom with the guns that fell out of the boat?

[patrick70]

Originally Posted by mitch_mckee

I kid you not.

California's a prime example of why liberalism is the greatest enemy our country faces.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by patrick70

California's a prime example of why liberalism is the greatest enemy our country faces.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by patrick70

California's a prime example of why liberalism is the greatest enemy our country faces.

Then what is Florida an example of?

[jimkim]

Florida is an example of a peninsula with a subtropical climate.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by jimkim

Florida is an example of a peninsula with a subtropical climate.

Thanks for clearing that up Jim. You should teach!

[jimkim]

Why thank you tlarkin want some pie.

[mym1a]

like a boil on ones back, at some point the dam thing will burst!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimkim]

Well he asked. dit'n he dit'n he?

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by jimkim

Well he asked. dit'n he dit'n he?

Yes, but at least he wasn't so long winded as he usually is....

[jimkim]

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[TXplt]

Originally Posted by jimkim

Florida is an example of a peninsula with a subtropical climate.

AND FL has decent CCW shall-issue laws as well. You also can carry in a vehicle without a permit (so long as the firearm is concealed, and in a holster, or console, case, or box of some sort. Loaded's fine as well). Other than open carry, FL is a great state for firearms.