...a little about the Clintons.

[9mmfan]

Originally Posted by killer

It won't link...that body is way too skinny for Miss Monica.

Dang it...you almost got me to bite and say something, and that will be
strike two.

Lol, you can do a search on her on Yahoo and find it, along with some "interesting" pictures........

[nathangdad]

and it is disturbing. How many people in actual combat have
seen that many associates die?

It seems beyond normal probability. Granted, we all know people
who have died in an accident and I have known one person who
committed suicide in my life (a very physically ill aunt of my wife) but this many people this connected is not normal.

[Sooner Shooter]

Now how did that nickname Slick Willy come about?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by nathangdad

and it is disturbing. How many people in actual combat have
seen that many associates die?

It seems beyond normal probability. Granted, we all know people
who have died in an accident and I have known one person who
committed suicide in my life (a very physically ill aunt of my wife) but this many people this connected is not normal.

nathangdad, there's nothing disturbing at all about it, if you look into it. All you have to do is list anyone who can be tied to the Clintons in the slightest, then label them all "suspicious deaths." It helps if you claim "no autopsy was allowed," even when there was one.

That includes people like the ex-boyfriend of the ex-wife of an ex-staffer of the Clintons; grossly overweight guys who drink and smoke heavily, then die of heart attacks; and a woman killed during an armed robbery of a Starbucks (by a guy who was caught and convicted, no less).

Throw in a few complete strangers, like claiming a convenience-store clerk who'd held the job for twenty five years was "an ex-CIA intelligence analyst." Then lie about Vince Foster and claim there was no gun and no blood, even though the autopsy report says otherwise and the gun they recovered actually belonged to him.

Voila!! You now have a huge list of "suspicious deaths" that doesn't mean a damn thing. And you've gotten away with it because you aren't actually accusing anyone of anything; you're just sticking the label "suspicious" on everything in sight.

[nathangdad]

No disrespect but even after thinking about your post (which did have valid points) I still feel this is an abnormal amout of death too close to
the Clintons or for that matter any couple. I just cannot think of any
people I have ever known or read about with this type situation.

Perhaps we just view the data from somewhat differing angles.

Have a great day and good shooting.

[Cudahogs]

I don't think there were that many "accidents" on the Sorpanos!
-Fred

[troy2000]

Think about it: the Political Director of the Democratic National Committee was on that list. He was severely overweight; he smoked heavily and drank heavily. And he had a heart attack. Exactly what is 'suspicious' about any of that? Especially since an autopsy determined he had a massive heart attack, in spite of the list claiming none was allowed...

Why is a convenience-store clerk listed as an "accountant for the CIA?" She wasn't, and she never met Clinton. Why is her death on there as 'suspicious?'

There's a former chairman of the Washington DC Council on the list, with claims that he 'had ties to Whitewater.' He didn't; his only connection to Clinton is that they were both in the same city (Washington DC).

There's an attorney who supposedly 'jumped out a window of a tall building.' The truth is that he died at home.

Another lawyer listed as a suicide actually died of viral pneumonia.

You get the drift? Most of the people on the list were only remotely tied to the Clintons to begin with (friend-of-a-friend-of-a-lawyer-of-a-friend), or had no connection at all. And there's nothing suspicious about their deaths to begin with, much less anything tying them to Clinton.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by TXplt

On #4, Mr. Brown (despite what else might have been going on) was killed in an aircraft accident. It was completely an unfortunate accident (CFIT) due to an improperly designed approach, a lack of training, weather at or near minimums, and a crew that lost positional awareness during a rushed and unstabilized approach.

I can't speak to any of the rest. I personally would not like to be their friends or associated with them in any way.

A pathologist who investigated the Crash Site, does NOT agree with you Txplt.

TWA 800

The bullet hole that should have shaken Washington

DG-Ron Brown Death

WINDS - Ron Brown Classic Accident or Conspiracy Cover-up?

http://users.aol.com/beachbt/janoski.txt

[LiveToShoot]

Pieces of the puzzle fitting together...

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

A pathologist who investigated the Crash Site, does NOT agree with you Txplt.

TWA 800

So they were investigating the possiblility that a Swiss citizen supposedly on the plane had committed insurance fraud, and didn't really go down on it. And this ties to the Clintons how...? And ties to the pathologist how...?

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

The bullet hole that should have shaken Washington

Sorry; there WAS an autopsy performed on Ron Brown. And of course it wasn't a "full" autopsy. When a pile of bodies is pulled out of a plane wreck, you don't normally need to check all the stomach contents to see what the passengers ate the night before, test for diseases, etc. What's the point?

The autopsy that was performed was done by Air Force Col. William Gormley. According to him, the supposed bullet hole was more of an indentation than a hole. He also said that if there had been a bullet, there would have been either an exit wound or a bullet found in the body, and there were not.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

DG-Ron Brown Death

Excuse me? You're putting up a link to a comedian-turned-nutball-political-activist's review of an episode of a fictional TV series, and we're supposed to take him seriously? What part of "fiction" is hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

[WINDS - Ron Brown Classic Accident or Conspiracy Cover-up?

This guy makes his living selling Clinton conspiracies. It would take an article longer than the one he wrote here to debunk all the bogus information in it. His version of what happened is another one of those lurid stories "inspired by real events," rather than being any factual account.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

http://users.aol.com/beachbt/janoski.txt

That's obvious nonsense about a 'lead snowstorm' in Brown's brain. No way is a .45 bullet going to totally disintegrate and disperse into tiny fragments, simply from going through the top of someone's head. Hello? We're talking 230 or 240 grains of relatively slow-moving lead here...

And all these links ignore the basic problem: what kind of plausible scenario can anyone come up with that accounts for him being in that crashed plane with a bullet hole in the top of his head? Give me some kind of possibilities here, instead of just running around muttering about suspicious deaths.

I'll ask that one more time, to be very clear: how could Ron Brown, who by all accounts walked onto that plane alive before it took off and crashed, reasonably wind up shot?

[LarryO1970]

... yet if someone posed something on Bush or other Republicans, you'd be all over supporting it, regardless.

Is there anything about the Klintons you are against? Hey, the Klintons are clean as a whistle, eh? Dirty bastards is more like it...

I hate to say it Troy2k... but you are completely supportive of the Leftists, sans gun control.

Hey Troy2k, ever hear of frangible ammo?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... yet if someone posed something on Bush or other Republicans, you'd be all over supporting it, regardless.

Is there anything about the Klintons you are against? Hey, the Klintons are clean as a whistle, eh? Dirty bastards is more like it...

I hate to say it Troy2k... but you are completely supportive of the Leftists, sans gun control.

Hey Troy2k, ever hear of frangible ammo?

Oh, come on, Larry. The truth is that you loved saying that; It was so much easier (and so much more fun) than actually addressing what I said...

"Is there anything about the Klinton's (I) are against?" Well, apparently you haven't been paying attention for several months now, or you'd have noticed I'm against Hillary Clinton becoming our next president.

But I don't need to buy into nonsensical, melodramatic, paranoid, downright retarded conspiracy theories to justify myself....

You know, Larry, there are conspiracy theories all over the Internet about Bush being responsible for 9/11, Bush giving the Bin Laden family special treatment after 9/11, Bush being responsible for blowing the levees in New Orleans, Bush this and Bush that. When's the last time you saw me cutting and pasting that horse**** on here, and trying to convince people it's real?

[LarryO1970]

I know you are against Hillary... we've already been over that. However, you can't seem to help yourself in defending Bill... that man was and is a complete waste of time and made some serious mistakes. Ask anyone Army who survived Mogadishu... not to mention his continued interference into the Khobar Towers bombing investigation.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

I know you are against Hillary... we've already been over that. However, you can't seem to help yourself in defending Bill... that man was and is a complete waste of time and made some serious mistakes. Ask anyone Army who survived Mogadishu... not to mention his continued interference into the Khobar Towers bombing investigation.

Nothing you're saying justifies the paranoid nonsense surrounding the "Clinton Body Count." It's one thing to say he was a bad president and bad leader; it's something else entirely to claim he's at the center of a thirty-year-old murder spree that makes organized crime look like a pack of Brownie Scouts.

By the way, I missed responding to the one point you did make, about frangible ammo. Typically, to get a 'lead snowstorm' as the term is used by pathologists you need a non-FMJ rifle bullet, or a high-velocity handgun round such as a .357. The odds of getting one from a .45 lead bullet are about zero. Here's an excerpt from a book on gunshot wounds; notice it also says the handgun fragments are larger and fewer:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Vbr...ZvKcEfG0&hl=en

Whether non-lead, frangible .45 ammo would punch a clean, round hole through the skull, then disintegrate and disperse thoughout the brain with no exit holes, I'm not sure. I'm no pathologist or ballistics expert. But it sounds unlikely to me. And we're still stuck with Gormley's statement that there were no bone fragments.

But even if we accept that frangible ammo would produce the results allegedly seen, it still begs the question of who did it, how they did it, and why they did it where they did it. Who shot Ron Brown, then crashed the plane? If they were going to crash the plane, why shoot him? If they were going to shoot him, why crash the plane?