[Sam Ruger]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dan22

Seems to me a serious sniper who is trying to kill people would do a lot better than 7%.

That's by chest shots. Multiply the % of kills by the number of bullets that hit the chest.
Example: Three chest shots equals a 21% chance of a kill.

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The CIA thinks a .22 will do the trick and they are not planning on a low ratio of kills.

That's by head shot and the ratio of kills is now really, really high.

And the difference between a head shot and a chest shot is about 14 inches.

[thrillbilly]

Whether or not the .22 can kill is not the point, a person can be killed with a pencil, doesn't mean I'd carry one as a CCW. The bottom line is that it's a marginal caliber with specific uses and disadvantages. I love my .22s but will not be fighting with them unless I have to, then I'll be putting triple-taps at the head.

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Sam Ruger

Anyone here think JMcDonald can't kill you now after reading my posts?

Well...only because I've seen his targets....lol!!

Duck & Dodge!!! LMAO

hrm, remind me to get some Dragonskin Armour & a new helmet...

[Metronome]

Didn't the Israeli's classify the 10/22 as a "non-lethal' tool originally? Point is they use it to put people out of comission (leg shots, etc.), not necessarily to destroy them.

So I'm thinking we take some bets to see how long we can take this thread - I'd wager we will putter out about 500 posts? Any takers? As always 'Price is Right' rules apply!

[larmus]

always remember the five D's

Dodge!
Duck!
Dip!
Dive!
Dodge!

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Metronome

Didn't the Israeli's classify the 10/22 as a "non-lethal' tool originally? Point is they use it to put people out of comission (leg shots, etc.), not necessarily to destroy them. So I'm thinking we take some bets to see how long we can take this thread - I'd wager we will putter out about 500 posts? Any takers? As always 'Price is Right' rules apply!

I'll betcha a Twinkie it makes it, unless a Mod kills the thread

[LiveToShoot]

I hope more .22LR shells make their way into the stores...

...just in case we need to verify that the .22LR is a viable SHTF firearm.

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LiveToShoot

I hope more .22LR shells make their way into the stores... ...just in case we need to verify that the .22LR is a viable SHTF firearm.

All ya need is one of these to make it viable for under 100 yds...


100 rounds per magazine of .22lr...should kill everything within 100 yards.

OR...One of THESE!!! (class III only)
AM-180 Submachine gun with a fire rate around 1.000 rounds per minute. Each mag has 180 rounds.
AM180 Sub Machine Gun | SplodeTV.com

Really, watch the vid. If it doesn't impress you, Billy Mays will give you double your money back!! (lol, it's free!!)

[Sam Ruger]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Metronome

Didn't the Israeli's classify the 10/22 as a "non-lethal' tool originally? Point is they use it to put people out of comission (leg shots, etc.), not necessarily to destroy them.

I can only wonder why Israel came up with the idea of using 22's as shooting demonstrators in the legs with them will not "put people out of commission". Rubber bullets, fire hoses, and tear gas have a much better record on crowd control than 22's. The oddity is that the Ruger's are fitted with silencers, suggesting Israel is actually trying to to prevent the crowd from recognizing they're being fired on. Also, Israel admits they use the 10/22 to target those in the crowd they believe organized the demonstration. I imagine "how much of a problem" the Palestinian in the scope is dictates how high the sniper aims.

For what it's worth, Soviet equipent in Iraq has a 12% kill rate on US troops - Not much better than a 22LR. Probably not a fair comparison though.

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So I'm thinking we take some bets to see how long we can take this thread - I'd wager we will putter out about 500 posts? Any takers? As always 'Price is Right' rules apply!

I'm betting it goes on as long as 22's exist and people keep dying from them. But I think most of us here realize you can kill someone with a 22 if you want to do it bad enough (Sirhan Sirhan). We'd just like to be able to do it and get away afterwards (Sirhan Sirhan did not). The 22 does not meet that standard unless you force your shot placement. The argument pretty much begins and ends here.

[knightRider]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Sam Ruger

This is why a .22 owner has to make his first rule in a self defense situation: "Run like Hell!" And, failing that, aim for the head. Because the % kill rate with head shots takes a sudden, dramatic rise over 7%. I posted the 7% kill rate to demonstrate that a 22LR (In this case, at 1050 FPS or less) has sufficient kinetic energy to kill by a single chest shot even if it's a miserable % rate. I think most of us with half a brain can figure out that a .22 can kill but the only way one can use it for self defense in a meaningful way is to aim for the head as, otherwise, a 7% kill rate is not going to keep you alive. .22 owners who don't know that and who are practising shooting for the chest are not practising self defense. I thought JMcDonald could use his .22 for self defense if he was aware of this and I think he is now. Otherwise, the vast majority of .22 packers are clueless. But the moment even one of them figures it out, he can kill and kill consistently. Anyone here think JMcDonald can't kill you now after reading my posts?

no because i have a Kevlar helmet a 7.62/39 can't penetrate until the second shot. the wienie 22lr has no chance. but i BET YOU CAN HIT A MOVING TARGET IN THE EYE AT 50 YARDS WITH YOUR 22 !

[JMcDonald]

Quote:       Originally Posted by knightRider

no because i have a Kevlar helmet a 7.62/39 can't penetrate until the second shot. the wienie 22lr has no chance. but i BET YOU CAN HIT A MOVING TARGET IN THE EYE AT 50 YARDS WITH YOUR 22 !

I havent really been bothering much with this thread, but I will say again I have no intention of fighting troops, especially not armored ones. I'll leave that to the Rambos to buy me time to get away.

And this is regardless of what weapon I have.

[tommy]

anyone who even thinks of fireing at a troops is crazy i mean come on it's just a matter of seconds after the first shot when that drone is gonna drop the bomb on yo butt so unless you got a allah death wish i would sugest lay low and let them pass by and live to fight another day. as for as the bullet broof vest yall can havum i'm going for a head shot so spend your money on ammo .

[thrillbilly]

Quote:       Originally Posted by knightRider

no because i have a Kevlar helmet a 7.62/39 can't penetrate until the second shot. the wienie 22lr has no chance. but i BET YOU CAN HIT A MOVING TARGET IN THE EYE AT 50 YARDS WITH YOUR 22 !

Hows it do against 7.62x54R? Seriously, will that penetrate the helmet the first shot?

[knightRider]

yes

[Seven©]

Quote:       Originally Posted by JMcDonald

I'll leave that to the Rambos to buy me time to get away.

That would definitely be your best bet.

Quote:       Originally Posted by JMcDonald

I'll leave that to the Rambos to buy me time to get away. And this is regardless of what weapon I have.

So, let's say your neighborhood is overrun by zombies.
While your "Rambo-esque" neighbors defend themselves, your plan is to run?

[thrillbilly]

Quote:       Originally Posted by knightRider

yes

HAH! That's why I love my bolt actions!

[Metronome]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Seven©

So, let's say your neighborhood is overrun by zombies. While your "Rambo-esque" neighbors defend themselves, your plan is to run?

You only need to outrun the slowest member in your neighborhood, and if that is you, then you kneecap someone else with your .22 LR.

[knightRider]

Quote:       Originally Posted by thrillbilly

HAH! That's why I love my bolt actions!

ha ha ha ah ahahahah i thought we where talking about 22lr >?<

but once again i have a 50 bmg and i know your not safe in your truck hill billy .. lol that is why i love my bolt action rifles.

[Metronome]

Quote:       Originally Posted by knightRider

but once again i have a 50 bmg and i know your not safe in your truck hill billy .. lol that is why i love my bolt action rifles.

In my car, I wouldn't even be safe from .22's... unless I could hunker down behind the engine block, which would be difficult because it displaces less than a large soda from McDonalds... you can save your .50 cal ammo!

[larmus]

i dought the engine block of anything less then a big rig will stop the energy of a .50cal...