[big shrek]

Mike, sorry I skipped your question earlier...Russians used the Mosin Nagant as the OFFICIAL Sniper Tool, however, a lot of SHTF when Germany blitz'd 'em and many people used the hunting rifles & anything else on hand as Sniper Tools.

Many Polish KBKS wz 1898's were pressed into service from being training weapons...having scopes & plenty of ammo on hand for them it was a natural.

More recently in Grozny during the recent unpleasantness they used Sobol & Khorshun .22LR's as Sniper Tools and had Great Effectiveness.

The references, I can't really post because they are in Russian...but if you can read it you are welcome to google them Of course, if I goofed on something in translation, let me know

[Deersniper]

Although I have a .45, I'm considering a Buck Mark Micro for practice, the wife would like it.

[JMcDonald]

I wouldnt practice with anything except exactly what you'd use in an emergency.

[Mike Franklin]

big shrek, I don't consider any rifle with an effective(?) range of less than a football field as a sniper tool. I could see it being used against unarmed mobs but other than that IMO it would be nearly worthless.
With an enemy over running your country an unprepared person might use any weapon, that doesn't make a sniper gun out of it.

[JMcDonald]

A fast .22lr round will see a little over 2' drop at 200 yards if zeroed at 100 yards. Not that I even consider any .22lr rifle a real "sniper rifle," but it wouldnt stop someone from hitting a man-sized target at 200 yards. Hell, a bone-stock 10/22 can probably do a 6-8" group at those ranges, and it is one of the less accurate rifles.

[.303]

the key issue here is it's an shtf situation. So i think there are two things that actually go into it, considering people have been killing each other with rocks for centuries killing power, and stopping power is not going to be an issue. You're gonna want a long rifle that is going to put food on the table, self defense you should relegate to your side arm. A .22lr can put down most game the size of the family dog on down (boar aside). since this is gonna be most of what you're encountering it makes sense. You're going to be scrabbling for rounds and anything with a rare round is going to put you at an obvious disadvantage. Also though alot of people are going to be scrambling to pick up any gun they can and your more common pistols like your .45 acp and kz 75's and going to sponge up alot of 45 and 9mm ammo. 22 lr's and 22 mag are pretty popular rounds, however unreliable rim fire is. But also there are billions of them. I just see most gunshops getting looted, and a lot of rounds being soaked up by the local authorities. so ammunition after a while (and i'm talking long term) is going to become pretty limited and what you're going to have to work with is probably going to be whatever gun fires the most common round for that area.... I mean short engagements aside this is survival, not combat. and i think the .22 is just as viable a weapon as any other. And you might wanna invest in some machinist equipment so you can plunk out some replacement parts and custom tools, good for barter and the like.... now all that realistic bullshit aside, In a global shtf situation, if i had a choice i'd kick down to south america and pick me up a heavy barrel fn fal preferably with a 20 round mag and a bi pod. i just love them .30 rounds, medium range put em down when firing in short controlled 3 round bursts.

[big shrek]

In an urban environment, most shots will be at far less than 100 yards...pick your tool for your area.

[Rex in OTZ]

If all you had was a .22 then use it, Beware of the guy with only one gun he may know how to use it.
A double action 8 shot .22lr revolver with swing out cylinder for ease of loading would be a prudent choice no mags to go bad or lost and .22's jambing in a revolver is un-heard of, Chooseing a reliable semi auto .22 rifle the 10/22 has a Ginormus mag well that jambed rounds are more apt at being plucked out with a leatherman or rusty nail "whatever is at hand"
jamb clearing would be a common drill, also keeping extra mags would be handy, I used to use those 25 & 30 round Ramline and Hotlips mags the problem was they extended below the stock and more than one had the retainer pin on the mag busted off from wear & tear "no combat" thru the woods coon hunting, went to carrying a couple 10 rounders in my pocket and the pocket had a velcro flap to keep them handy.

[Rex in OTZ]

How about a Rossi pump rifle in .22mag, the Remington pump.22lr is a very accurate and reliable tube fed weapon and lots of parts at Numrich, I still would lean towards a revolver in double action with a 8 or 9 shot cylinder they would be quick to load and if you had a dud just trigger the next shot instead of clearing jambs in a semi-auto pistol
some those semi-auto's would be a bugger to clear, I shot a buck mark and had trouble as the round jambed the action open and we couldent shake it out and it was coverd from the top makeing access limited lucky it was just plinking, Of semi auto .22's I liked the semi-auto colt .22 pistol as the barrel comes right off useing a allen wrench and when the slide is back the whole action is open from the top and both side's same with the old model High Standard "toggle release" Sport Kings pistols just thumb the barrel release forward and slide the barrel right off the frame and the slide next takes all of 3 seconds to do in a stressfull situation that would be far easyer than fiddling with a jambed round in a Ruger MkII, or buckmark, tec .22 "I shot the hell outta it and the large mag well helped clear jambs"

[billy]

Viability of the .22LR as a SHTF gun AND a "combat" weapon?


quick answer

no.

[JMcDonald]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

Viability of the .22LR as a SHTF gun AND a "combat" weapon? quick answer no.

We got it the last half a dozen times you said it.

And Rex, I wouldn't use a .22lr pistol as they don't come out fast enough to get reliable expansion, and if they do expand then penetration suffers. Also, as a pistol would surely be a BUG Id rather have a little more punch for CQ problems.

[big shrek]

.22lr - Silent but deadly, much like Billy's farts!! At close range, absolutely deadly!

[knightRider]

Quote:       Originally Posted by JMcDonald

We got it the last half a dozen times you said it. And Rex, I wouldn't use a .22lr pistol as they don't come out fast enough to get reliable expansion, and if they do expand then penetration suffers. Also, as a pistol would surely be a BUG Id rather have a little more punch for CQ problems.

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[wunhunglo]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH, can't believe it's still going!

[TexasT]

It's a different thread...

[wunhunglo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

It's a different thread...

Not a lot different!

[JMcDonald]

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[big shrek]

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[knightRider]

Quote:       Originally Posted by JMcDonald

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[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by big shrek

Surely you have a farting smiley?