[tommy]

i don't think it would be against the law to stop an intruder any way you can. if he's inside my house i have the right to shoot him anywhere's i want to to stop me from getting hurt.i guess you could call it less than lethal force to try and stop them. but like i said if they kept comin well then they will die.

[squirrelblaster]

i like Turtles......

[TexasT]

We know, evil zombie kid.

[JMcDonald]

Quote:       Originally Posted by wunhunglo

The first bit I've highlighted made me laugh; you've obviously never been anywhere near Africa. Everybody is always trying to steal everything they can!

I the BUSH? I definately dont even see anyone in that picture.

Quote:       Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Second bit is one of the sad facts of life in Africa in that the AK47 is the most common poachers tool in all the countries and has taken all sorts of game including many many rhino.

As has been brought up over and over in this thread, there is a big difference between "killing" and "stopping." I have no doubt in my mind that many weapons could kill a rhino. However, stopping a charging rhino from killing you is a whole different ballgame. Hell, I bet a very well-placed .22lr could kill a rhino, if you hit it at just the right spot in the head.

[wunhunglo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by JMcDonald

I the BUSH? I definately dont even see anyone in that picture. As has been brought up over and over in this thread, there is a big difference between "killing" and "stopping." I have no doubt in my mind that many weapons could kill a rhino. However, stopping a charging rhino from killing you is a whole different ballgame. Hell, I bet a very well-placed .22lr could kill a rhino, if you hit it at just the right spot in the head.

Just because you can't see them, doesn't mean they are not there!

As for a .22 being used to take a rhino, well that's a bit like Sharks & Scotsmen...............there has never been a recorded case of a Scotsman being attacked by a shark!







I used to be a Cynic, but 50+ years of experience has turned me into a realist!

[TexasT]

JMcDonald, are you trolling? I am not quite understanding your fascination with .22lrs and not quite understanding how you think it would kill a rhino. Most hunters try to kill animals with the most effective gun without going overboard...or underboard in your case. It's not humane to try to kill a rhino with a .22, a rabbit however...

[mym1a]

looks sexy but the performance just isn't there unless you going to use it for one tricked out small game rifle??????

[leomort]

Hmm, Ok. For the posters against the .22lr as a survival rifle. What would you chose? Why?

[wunhunglo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by leomort

Hmm, Ok. For the posters against the .22lr as a survival rifle. What would you chose? Why?

I don't think there were any posters against the .22 as a "survival" rifle. only against it as a SHTF rifle which might have to be used for personal protection. The .22rf makes an excellent "survival" rifle.

As a SHTF rifle (if there is such a thing) I would love to have something like an AR10 but will settle for an AR15.

For a combat rifle, definitely an original AR10 with decent magazines!

[leomort]

survival rifle, SHTF rifle,etc. seems everyone is lumping everything together. So let's keep the water muddy as many seem to perfer. Besides you might have to use your survival weapon as your SHTF rifle or vice versa.

If the posters' against the .22lr rifle, what do plan on using? If it's an AR-15 .223rem. That's fine. Just want to know what you'll take and why?

[jimkim]

I like the .22lr as a survival rifle. In the LA riot scenario I would feel severely outgunned by almost everyone. My choice for the Supremely Viable SHTF Weapon is to not be in a SHTF situation to begin with. In my world a SHTF situation is when I have to rely on a 22 for self defense. I believe in using a round with a record of having good, reliable stopping power. The 22lr isnt one of them.

[tommy]

that scope looks like it came off a crossman bbgun. lol

Quote:       Originally Posted by JMcDonald

The 10/22 with folding stock (so it is more easily stored hidden in my BOV) and good 25rd mags. Discuss .

[JMcDonald]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

JMcDonald, are you trolling? I am not quite understanding your fascination with .22lrs and not quite understanding how you think it would kill a rhino. Most hunters try to kill animals with the most effective gun without going overboard...or underboard in your case. It's not humane to try to kill a rhino with a .22, a rabbit however...

Ok, first off we are talking about poaching and poaching rarely involves anything humane. Nowhere did I say Id ever try to do this, or say it was at all the right thing to do.

No, I am not trolling. What would trolling be? Coming into a thread and insulting someone without adding anything valuable to the discussion? That sounds alot like some other members.

Wikipedia definition of a Troll:

Quote:      

An Internet troll...is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community...with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

There was nothing irrelevant about my posting of this thread, it was on topic, and it was not intended to disrupt anything. I suppose that since the topic could be considered controversial, though all I did was post several facts that most are simply refusing to argue with, but can't bring themselves to admit to the truth in them. At the very least, I am no more of a troll than all the people e-flaming me to get an emotional rise out of me or to get a bandwagon going against me, while not adding anything constructive to the thread.

Quote:       Originally Posted by tommy

that scope looks like it came off a crossman bbgun. lol

It did, actually heh. However, now there is a much nicer 40mm 3-9x scope.


But, I suppose this is the point in the thread when sore losers, after they realize they can't continue the debate with relevant logical arguments, turn ad homium and start trying to discredit their opposition personally. Thus, before the real flaming begins, Ill head out.

Again, thanks to those who participated maturely and at least attempted to add an informative opinion. And, I hope those of you smart enough to see through the BS will note how respectful I have been to others despite the way Ive been spoken to. Finally, I am perfectly satisfied knowing those same people are smart enough to see the logic in my arguments, whether they actually wholly believe them or not. I've learned that debating with people who can't maintain a mature debate involving a subject they don't agree with but have little or no support against it is futile, and that those are always the same people to quickly turn to insults and personal attacks despite how calm and respectful their opposition remains.



Oh, and to add a bit more fuel:
www.brassfetcher.com

[squirrelblaster]

i like turtles..........

[mym1a]

different rifles and calibers for different tasks thats all

[JMcDonald]

Oh, I meant to reply to your post, mym1a. On that site are very interesting numbers that show good .22lr rounds to be perfectly capable, when compared to the smaller-caiber automatic pistol rounds (.25acp up to 9mm), especially the FMJ rounds which Id be forced to use.

[Rex in OTZ]

As a Kid hunting raccons along the creek bottoms of Northern Nebraska i had gotten a good deal of Winchester wildcat hollow point ammo for hunting,turns out that when we treed a coon we would head shot them they dropped out the tree just fine, problem was they dident penetrate completely they would just splatter on coon skulls knocking them out and later on we had woozey coon wobbling round in the back out pickup after they came to, solids are the only way to fly if shooting anything bigger than coon, possium & mabe lucky if ya can nail a coyote. you can kill bigger stuff and its been done but critters dident shoot back at you.

[jimkim]

FMJ 22lr? I believe in using a round with a record of having good, reliable stopping power. The 22lr isnt one of them.

[Calvin]

Don't know if it was already said or not, but Elmer Keith said, "A hit with a .22 is way better than a miss with a .44".
A .22 is the best weapon in the world if you can hit with it and it's all you've got.

Nice 10/22 and hope it works when you really need it to!!

[billy]

a hit with a 44 trumps a hit with a 22!