i have a question

KingMusa45 · 07-12-2008, 11:22 AM

i really don't intend to offend anyone but i am curious.
i've noticed a lot of people get rilled up at the idea of the gov. taking our guns, not that i don't agree, but they don't seem to care about the fact that their other rights are violated.
my question is, if they decide to take your guns really what could you do?
if shtf like in Katrina, but on a national scale and they declared marshall law, what could you do?
legally they would be in the right.
if this is to political, i apologize and i wont ask again.
i was curious as to what you guys and gals think.

snuffysmith · 07-12-2008, 11:31 AM

I think what it boils down to is it's a personal choice. What might be a reasonable action for one man might not work for another. For example, I'm retired(senior citizen) living alone; I would not have to worry about wife or children being injured if I resisted the goons taking my guns. How do you feel about America and the constitution? About your rights? Each person must decide that themselves, I can't tell you to resist and maybe die to keep your guns. Wish I had an easy answer for you, but I don't.

Snuffy

lefty o · 07-12-2008, 11:33 AM

legally, they would not be right to take your guns. its a guaranteed right in the constitution. if the gov ever oversteps its boundaries like that, you decide how to deal with it, fight back or roll over and play dead.

iflylow74 · 07-12-2008, 11:56 AM

I agree with lefty. If everyone sticks together and decides not to roll over, then there is little the government could do about 100 million or so determined gun owners. Plus, if the government knew that 100 million (or how ever many) gun owners wouldn't give up their guns, then the government would never try to take them in the first place IMHO.

KingMusa45 · 07-12-2008, 11:57 AM

it's not a question of what should i do, it's what would you do?
and more important what could you do legally?

texnmidwest · 07-12-2008, 11:59 AM

What could I do if the government tried to take my guns?

THIS!

Brother Bob · 07-12-2008, 12:10 PM

I believe we all received a valuable lesson from Katrina. I don't believe there would be enough law enforcement of any variety to pull it off. There would be too many folks in uniform that would refuse to obey that order. Yeah, I'd probably shoot anyone that came busting in my door to take my weapons.

KingMusa45 · 07-12-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iflylow74

I agree with lefty. If everyone sticks together and decides not to roll over, then there is little the government could do about 100 million or so determined gun owners. Plus, if the government knew that 100 million (or how ever many) gun owners wouldn't give up their guns, then the government would never try to take them in the first place IMHO.

if you fought back you would be considered an illegal enemy combatant and off to the hoosegow you go.

KGunner · 07-12-2008, 12:18 PM

The term legal is very tricky. Laws mean nothing, many laws can be seen as unjust. It was illegal for Jews to own businesses when the Nazi's took power...does that make it right? When it comes down to it, sometimes you must ignore the laws imposed and do what you think is right.

When the government makes it illegal to own guns, will you surrender yours? They can make anything illegal. I for one, will not surrender any of my firearms.

"Only an armed people can be truly free.
Only an unarmed people can ever be enslaved."

- Aristotle

Brother Bob · 07-12-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KingMusa45

if you fought back you would be considered an illegal enemy combatant and off to the hoosegow you go.

Sorry, they don't have enough "hoosgow's" for 100,000,000 people. Not only that, with all these people in jail, who would work and pay taxes? Oh silly me! I forgot about our large Temp service called Mexico!

billy · 07-12-2008, 12:27 PM

if soldiers showed up at my door and demanded my guns i would hand em over.
im not suicidal.

wunhunglo · 07-12-2008, 12:27 PM

It's already been done by your government and if they think it's right at the time, they'll do it again, regardless of your rights. If you think otherwise, you're in cloud cuckoo land. Look to the past to see what can, & probably will, happen in the future!
Sure, you'll complain & bitch about it but most people are basically law abiding and brought up to have some respect for the law, so when the cops knock on your door, and request your guns, most of you will roll-over and comply. You are not going to take on the local law enforcement or National Guard despite the BS and Bravado!

billy · 07-12-2008, 12:29 PM

you might be able to have guns again.
but you cant get undead.

wunhunglo · 07-12-2008, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Sorry, they don't have enough "hoosgow's" for 100,000,000 people. Not only that, with all these people in jail, who would work and pay taxes? Oh silly me! I forgot about our large Temp service called Mexico!

Never heard of the camp at Guantanamo bay then??? How long do you think it takes for an army to construct a concentration camp???

Brother Bob · 07-12-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Never heard of the camp at Guantanamo bay then??? How long do you think it takes for an army to construct a concentration camp???

For 100 million people? LOL!

I've been to Gitmo, twice. Now how do you think Uncle Sam could pull this off when it takes them 20 years to build 500 miles of fence on the border! Do you have any idea how many Patriots are in this country? How the Hell would they get enough Americans to go along with this nonsense? Most of the military wouldn't even go along with it. There would be nothing left to fight for! It would no longer be America!

KGunner · 07-12-2008, 12:55 PM

Wunhunglo, I am not calling you uninformed or anything like that, but America is quite different from Great Britain, or any other nation for that matter. We have a Constitutional right to own firearms, our Founding Fathers laid it out very clearly that a citizens right to keep and bear arms should never be infringed. Not only do we have a right to arms, but also a right as described by the Constitution again to redress our grievances with our government, and if need be, change the government in power. Without the right to arms, we have no way of defending ourselves from a government who no longer obeys the people. In America, at least how it was, the government is run by the people, the government does not run the people. WE are the government. Our Founding Fathers were perhaps the most brilliant minds in history, and understood how imperative it is for a private citizen to be able to own a weapon. After all, if private citizens wouldn't have owned weapons during the Revolution, this wouldn't be America but instead another piece of the empire of Great Britain.

knightRider · 07-12-2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wunhunglo

It's already been done by your government and if they think it's right at the time, they'll do it again, regardless of your rights. If you think otherwise, you're in cloud cuckoo land. Look to the past to see what can, & probably will, happen in the future!
Sure, you'll complain & bitch about it but most people are basically law abiding and brought up to have some respect for the law, so when the cops knock on your door, and request your guns, most of you will roll-over and comply. You are not going to take on the local law enforcement or National Guard despite the BS and Bravado!

sorry friend but many euro nations have very little back bone , or religion. I know i would die for my land , freedom , family, and God . the rest of you that couldn't or wouldn't i don't give a damn.

knightRider · 07-12-2008, 01:00 PM

England has a queen , need i say more !

wunhunglo · 07-12-2008, 01:01 PM

I'd like to believe it wouldn't happen but I also believe it could happen again, depending on circumstances.
The antis are snipping away at your rights daily and if you follow what happened in other countries, first there will be registration then confiscation. Don't believe it couldn't happen, it has happened in many many countries. It Has happened in the USA during a hurricane SHTF scenario, it could happen again.
If they make it illegal to own a firearm, I'm sure that there are plenty of LEO's who will only be too glad to enforce the law and if it is really a SHTF scenario and Martial law declared and the government has outlawed the possession of firearms, then the Army would follow Lawfull orders.

knightRider · 07-12-2008, 01:03 PM

sorry not gonna happen , guess you didn't see the courts just ruled in our favor for the 2nd amendment .

07-12-2008, 11:22 AM	#1
KingMusa45 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 312	i have a question i really don't intend to offend anyone but i am curious. i've noticed a lot of people get rilled up at the idea of the gov. taking our guns, not that i don't agree, but they don't seem to care about the fact that their other rights are violated. my question is, if they decide to take your guns really what could you do? if shtf like in Katrina, but on a national scale and they declared marshall law, what could you do? legally they would be in the right. if this is to political, i apologize and i wont ask again. i was curious as to what you guys and gals think.

07-12-2008, 11:31 AM	#2
snuffysmith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: central Arkansas Posts: 562	I think what it boils down to is it's a personal choice. What might be a reasonable action for one man might not work for another. For example, I'm retired(senior citizen) living alone; I would not have to worry about wife or children being injured if I resisted the goons taking my guns. How do you feel about America and the constitution? About your rights? Each person must decide that themselves, I can't tell you to resist and maybe die to keep your guns. Wish I had an easy answer for you, but I don't. Snuffy __________________ time & weather changes everything

07-12-2008, 11:56 AM	#4
iflylow74 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Arkansaw Posts: 1,023 Blog Entries: 11	I agree with lefty. If everyone sticks together and decides not to roll over, then there is little the government could do about 100 million or so determined gun owners. Plus, if the government knew that 100 million (or how ever many) gun owners wouldn't give up their guns, then the government would never try to take them in the first place IMHO. __________________ Most things aren't a matter of can or can't, but a matter of want to or don't want to. -me

07-12-2008, 11:59 AM	#6
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,372	What could I do if the government tried to take my guns? THIS! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

07-12-2008, 12:18 PM	#9
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 425	The term legal is very tricky. Laws mean nothing, many laws can be seen as unjust. It was illegal for Jews to own businesses when the Nazi's took power...does that make it right? When it comes down to it, sometimes you must ignore the laws imposed and do what you think is right. When the government makes it illegal to own guns, will you surrender yours? They can make anything illegal. I for one, will not surrender any of my firearms. "Only an armed people can be truly free. Only an unarmed people can ever be enslaved." - Aristotle __________________ Kel-Tec P11 Mossberg 500A Tactical 12 ga. 1947 Mosin Nagant M44 Yugo SKS 59/66

07-12-2008, 11:33 AM	#3
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,785	legally, they would not be right to take your guns. its a guaranteed right in the constitution. if the gov ever oversteps its boundaries like that, you decide how to deal with it, fight back or roll over and play dead.

07-12-2008, 11:57 AM	#5
KingMusa45 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 312	it's not a question of what should i do, it's what would you do? and more important what could you do legally?

07-12-2008, 12:10 PM	#7
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,670 Blog Entries: 3	I believe we all received a valuable lesson from Katrina. I don't believe there would be enough law enforcement of any variety to pull it off. There would be too many folks in uniform that would refuse to obey that order. Yeah, I'd probably shoot anyone that came busting in my door to take my weapons.

07-12-2008, 12:27 PM	#11
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,937 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	if soldiers showed up at my door and demanded my guns i would hand em over. im not suicidal. __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

07-12-2008, 12:27 PM	#12
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 1,650	It's already been done by your government and if they think it's right at the time, they'll do it again, regardless of your rights. If you think otherwise, you're in cloud cuckoo land. Look to the past to see what can, & probably will, happen in the future! Sure, you'll complain & bitch about it but most people are basically law abiding and brought up to have some respect for the law, so when the cops knock on your door, and request your guns, most of you will roll-over and comply. You are not going to take on the local law enforcement or National Guard despite the BS and Bravado!

07-12-2008, 12:29 PM	#13
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,937 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	you might be able to have guns again. but you cant get undead. __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

07-12-2008, 12:55 PM	#16
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 425	Wunhunglo, I am not calling you uninformed or anything like that, but America is quite different from Great Britain, or any other nation for that matter. We have a Constitutional right to own firearms, our Founding Fathers laid it out very clearly that a citizens right to keep and bear arms should never be infringed. Not only do we have a right to arms, but also a right as described by the Constitution again to redress our grievances with our government, and if need be, change the government in power. Without the right to arms, we have no way of defending ourselves from a government who no longer obeys the people. In America, at least how it was, the government is run by the people, the government does not run the people. WE are the government. Our Founding Fathers were perhaps the most brilliant minds in history, and understood how imperative it is for a private citizen to be able to own a weapon. After all, if private citizens wouldn't have owned weapons during the Revolution, this wouldn't be America but instead another piece of the empire of Great Britain. __________________ Kel-Tec P11 Mossberg 500A Tactical 12 ga. 1947 Mosin Nagant M44 Yugo SKS 59/66

07-12-2008, 01:00 PM	#18
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,680 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	England has a queen , need i say more ! __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch.

07-12-2008, 01:01 PM	#19
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 1,650	I'd like to believe it wouldn't happen but I also believe it could happen again, depending on circumstances. The antis are snipping away at your rights daily and if you follow what happened in other countries, first there will be registration then confiscation. Don't believe it couldn't happen, it has happened in many many countries. It Has happened in the USA during a hurricane SHTF scenario, it could happen again. If they make it illegal to own a firearm, I'm sure that there are plenty of LEO's who will only be too glad to enforce the law and if it is really a SHTF scenario and Martial law declared and the government has outlawed the possession of firearms, then the Army would follow Lawfull orders.

07-12-2008, 01:03 PM	#20
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,680 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	sorry not gonna happen , guess you didn't see the courts just ruled in our favor for the 2nd amendment . __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch.