N.H. will accept free oil from Chavez after all..

Marine1 · 07-19-2008, 02:35 PM

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) - Two years ago, New Hampshire refused to accept heating oil from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, the pro-Castro U.S. critic who once called President Bush "the devil." But with fuel prices rising, well, free oil is free oil.

A lot has changed over the past two years. Back then, heating oil sold for about $2.50 per gallon in the Northeast. Last month, the average price was $4.61, with predictions of $5 per gallon oil by winter.

"The average tank is 250 to 275 gallons," Citizens spokeswoman Ashley Durmer said. "Filling it once is over $1,500. That is unfathomable that anyone can pay that price. If you have to fill the tank four times, it's going to be a devastating winter for a lot of people."

N.H. will accept free oil from Chavez after all

Windwalker · 07-19-2008, 06:09 PM

Why is Chavez giving N.H. free oil?

KGunner · 07-19-2008, 07:59 PM

Chavez is a fan of buying diplomatic ties. He is doing it all over South America, only thing is his pockets aren't THAT deep and things are beginning to fall over.

Bravo · 07-19-2008, 11:11 PM

Another reason why I love New Hampshire so much...

A bigger question to ask is, Why is Bush not accepting oil from Chavez?

Oil prices are driven by supply and demand. It's brutally simple. Today, in the US, we have a TON of demand. The reason that the prices are so high is because we can't get enough oil (the biggest reason at least).

If we began to buy oil from Venezuela, the price of oil for us would drop some. We don't buy though, because he has Communist ties.

I swear, I can't wait for the day that this country gets its head out of it's rear and starts to realize that spreading democracy is not the way to go. If other countries want to be communist, socialist, neo-nazi, statist, etc, so be it. Let them do it, keep trading with them, promote peace, and the world will be a better place.

EDIT: FYI, I'd put money down that us folks up here in Maine aren't too much farther behind from NH in asking for free (or discounted) oil from Chavez. This winter is going to be incredibly painful for those on fixed income up here when it comes to heating oil. It shouldn't be this way, but many families are going to eat less to stay warm...which is really sad.

Rave · 07-20-2008, 08:13 AM

A lot of chest pounding and big talk been going on up in DC,Stay the course,bring 'em on,don't talk or nagotiate,etc.
Well,it sounds great,but if ya' snooze,ya' loose,and pride falleth before the fall.
If we don't get serious and build a few new refineries,that would signal our commitment,and a few nuclears power plants,our enemies,(some of them Bushes friends) will assume it is all talk and no walk.
The result being another drop in our credibility.

Big Dog · 07-20-2008, 08:58 AM

The only good thing to ever come out of Venezuela is Patricia Velasquez (the Egyptian Princess from "The Mummy") - we don't need Uncle Hugo's stinking gas!

I will never buy gas at a Citgo station - if necessary, I'll push my car or bike down to the next station.

Gotta stand by our principals.

Bravo · 07-20-2008, 09:09 AM

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we don't need Uncle Hugo's stinking gas!

I understand your anger with Commie countries (I think), but the gas price signs at pump stations say that we do need his gas...

wunhunglo · 07-20-2008, 09:26 AM

[quote=Bravo;567829]Another reason why I love New Hampshire so much...

A bigger question to ask is, Why is Bush not accepting oil from Chavez?

Oil prices are driven by supply and demand. It's brutally simple.

If we began to buy oil from Venezuela, the price of oil for us would drop some. We don't buy though, because he has Communist ties.

I swear, I can't wait for the day that this country gets its head out of it's rear and starts to realize that spreading democracy is not the way to go. If other countries want to be communist, socialist, neo-nazi, statist, etc, so be it. Let them do it, keep trading with them, promote peace, and the world will be a better place.

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There must be a helluva more to it than that!

It doesn't seem to bother Bush & co to trade with lots of other Communist countries?? Or allow the American oil companies to help develop the commie countries Oil production facilities! Back in the nineties, I was working in China on an AMOCO oil facility, operated in partnership with CNOOC, the Chinese national oil company!

Look at what you buy now that is made in China! Who's got a Norinco or norinco ammo???

That reason doesn't hold water.

Brother Bob · 07-20-2008, 09:39 AM

So some of you think it's Ok to accept Oil from a man that nationalized all oil fields in his country and threw out Exxon/Mobile and Conoco/Phillips? Why is anyone buying gas from Citgo? You folks in New Hampshire, shame on you!

Bravo · 07-20-2008, 03:47 PM

No really, there isn't much more to it. We can lower the price of oil in this country by being able to import more oil. Buying oil from Chavez would indeed do just that. Now, how much would it lower it? I don't know..it may not really be that much.

Bush won't trade with him because he has ties with Castro. The US won't trade with Castro because we're too stubborn to get over the past and get on with the future.

Exxon Mobile was thrown out of Venezuela because they went after Chavez's assets, and really, who could blame them. They're doing the same to the US. Honestly, I don't know who is more dangerous, Chavez, or Exxon Mobile.

I must be missing something. Can someone give me a good reason why we shouldn't be openly trading with Venezuela and Cuba?

Rave · 07-20-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

So some of you think it's Ok to accept Oil from a man that nationalized all oil fields in his country and threw out Exxon/Mobile and Conoco/Phillips? Why is anyone buying gas from Citgo? You folks in New Hampshire, shame on you!

Much better to buy it from the Saudis?
11 of the 15 bombers on 911 were Saudis.
They have schools teaching students to hate America.
The aid terrorist organizations.
But they are Bush's buds,so I guess that makes everything OK
I agree that Chavez is a dangerious man,but he is only one of many,some favored by our gummint,some not,ya' never know from day to day,but the Saudis can do no wrong?
Hummmm,threw out Exxon/Mobil and Conoco/Phillipss and nationalized all oil fields instead of kissing the butt of big business,no wonder Bush is freaked out over him!

Brother Bob · 07-20-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rave

Much better to buy it from the Saudis?
11 of the 15 bombers on 911 were Saudis.
They have schools teaching students to hate America.
The aid terrorist organizations.
But they are Bush's buds,so I guess that makes everything OK
I agree that Chavez is a dangerious man,but he is only one of many,some favored by our gummint,some not,ya' never know from day to day,but the Saudis can do no wrong?
Hummmm,threw out Exxon/Mobil and Conoco/Phillipss and nationalized all oil fields instead of kissing the butt of big business,no wonder Bush is freaked out over him!

Rave, get a grip on reality! The Saudi's didn't just become our "friends", since Bush took office! You can't post one damn thread without taking a poke at Bush! I don't care what the the post is about! "Respected Member"? Maybe in someone's mind!

stalebiscuit · 07-20-2008, 06:53 PM

selling their souls

Bravo · 07-20-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

selling their souls

Seriously? I love how people think that buying oil from a commie country means that we owe them something. It's called free trade, something that our country needs to learn how to do better.

The Saudi's (those involved with oil), are best friends with whomever the US president is. There are also many Saudi's that hate America, and many terrorist organizations within Saudi Arabia.

Rave makes a great point though. How is trading with Saudi Arabia any different than trading with Venezuela? I know one difference...Venezuela has yet to send terrorists over to drop a few of our buildings...

stalebiscuit · 07-20-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

Seriously? I love how people think that buying oil from a commie country means that we owe them something. It's called free trade, something that our country needs to learn how to do better.

The Saudi's (those involved with oil), are best friends with whomever the US president is. There are also many Saudi's that hate America, and many terrorist organizations within Saudi Arabia.

Rave makes a great point though. How is trading with Saudi Arabia any different than trading with Venezuela? I know one difference...Venezuela has yet to send terrorists over to drop a few of our buildings...

i dont agree with it one bit, the entire oil industry and how we deal with them is messed up

ever since the 70s in that oil scare people have been freaked out, they in essence spanked us and we let OPEC know they could do whatever the hell they want

they control a monopoly on the oil trade and industry, our business's are not allowed to do the same thing, the have something over us that we dont

what they are doing to us is the same thing we could do to them, for instance if they needed software or computers or cars or weapons or food and we charged them outrageous prices, and we were the only venue to get it, what choice do they have but to pay it

why cant we as america charge our enemies (cause thats who these people are) obscene and ridiculous prices as well? let private business's control a monopoly on foreign products and affairs, let them form conglomerates and price fix the same way the oil industry does

Bravo · 07-20-2008, 08:48 PM

Let's just put it this way: Right now, we're buying nothing from them. If they want to sell us cheap oil, let's take it. If they raise the price to obscene heights, then we stop buying from them.

Also, let's be clear, American currently exports very little. If we decided to stop exporting any single item to a specific country, they would have no trouble getting that item from another country.

I agree that there is a monopoly on oil. It really means that we need to be drilling our own oil and open it up to private countries within the US. Until we can start doing that in mass amounts, we need to get oil from where ever we can. If that means trading with a country that has communist ties, so be it.

Venezuela poses no threat to our economy or national security. We are only hurting ourselves by not trading with them.

troy2000 · 07-20-2008, 11:09 PM

Wait a minute. When did we stop buying oil from Venezuela? Last I heard, we were one of their major customers, political posturing on both sides or no.

Here we go; I just googled it. Last month, Venezuela was our fourth-largest supplier, after Canada, Saudi Arabia and Mexico:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

TXplt · 07-20-2008, 11:12 PM

A Canadian friend of mine surprised me with the Canada part while discussing the world's oil plight (overhead Alberta) a few months back. Most people don't think about it, but we do import a whole bunch of oil from Canada.

troy2000 · 07-20-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TXplt

A Canadian friend of mine surprised me with the Canada part while discussing the world's oil plight (overhead Alberta) a few months back. Most people don't think about it, but we do import a whole bunch of oil from Canada.

Yep. We're in thrall to them evil Canadian Oil Barons, ey?

We get a lot of natural gas from them, too.

Big Dog · 07-21-2008, 06:20 AM

Every man has his priciples, and his scruples. Choose your own.
Me, I don't buy gas from Chavez - beyond the fact he's a Commie - he's simply a dumb%@$ Sum%$@# and I don't like him. So no, I don't buy from CITGO. No advantage in price anyways - the stations down the road have the same prices.
I favor a station here in my 'hood that buys their gas from an American oil company - they purposely switched to US-produced oil. And they are generally a couple cents a gallon cheaper.
Othewise, I buy the generic dino-juice from other companies. Who knows where it comes from?

Just one Dawg's personal opinion.

And yes - I own some Commie-produced guns too.

07-19-2008, 02:35 PM	#1
Marine1 Runnin' With The Big Dogs Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 862 Images: 4	N.H. will accept free oil from Chavez after all.. CONCORD, N.H. (AP) - Two years ago, New Hampshire refused to accept heating oil from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, the pro-Castro U.S. critic who once called President Bush "the devil." But with fuel prices rising, well, free oil is free oil. A lot has changed over the past two years. Back then, heating oil sold for about $2.50 per gallon in the Northeast. Last month, the average price was $4.61, with predictions of $5 per gallon oil by winter. "The average tank is 250 to 275 gallons," Citizens spokeswoman Ashley Durmer said. "Filling it once is over $1,500. That is unfathomable that anyone can pay that price. If you have to fill the tank four times, it's going to be a devastating winter for a lot of people." N.H. will accept free oil from Chavez after all

07-19-2008, 06:09 PM	#2
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,997	Why is Chavez giving N.H. free oil? __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

07-19-2008, 07:59 PM	#3
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 515 Blog Entries: 5	Chavez is a fan of buying diplomatic ties. He is doing it all over South America, only thing is his pockets aren't THAT deep and things are beginning to fall over. __________________ If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they'd probably rather be dead.

07-19-2008, 11:11 PM	#4
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 2,014	Another reason why I love New Hampshire so much... A bigger question to ask is, Why is Bush not accepting oil from Chavez? Oil prices are driven by supply and demand. It's brutally simple. Today, in the US, we have a TON of demand. The reason that the prices are so high is because we can't get enough oil (the biggest reason at least). If we began to buy oil from Venezuela, the price of oil for us would drop some. We don't buy though, because he has Communist ties. I swear, I can't wait for the day that this country gets its head out of it's rear and starts to realize that spreading democracy is not the way to go. If other countries want to be communist, socialist, neo-nazi, statist, etc, so be it. Let them do it, keep trading with them, promote peace, and the world will be a better place. EDIT: FYI, I'd put money down that us folks up here in Maine aren't too much farther behind from NH in asking for free (or discounted) oil from Chavez. This winter is going to be incredibly painful for those on fixed income up here when it comes to heating oil. It shouldn't be this way, but many families are going to eat less to stay warm...which is really sad. Last edited by Bravo; 07-19-2008 at 11:14 PM.

07-20-2008, 08:13 AM	#5
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,048	A lot of chest pounding and big talk been going on up in DC,Stay the course,bring 'em on,don't talk or nagotiate,etc. Well,it sounds great,but if ya' snooze,ya' loose,and pride falleth before the fall. If we don't get serious and build a few new refineries,that would signal our commitment,and a few nuclears power plants,our enemies,(some of them Bushes friends) will assume it is all talk and no walk. The result being another drop in our credibility. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

07-20-2008, 08:58 AM	#6
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,412	The only good thing to ever come out of Venezuela is Patricia Velasquez (the Egyptian Princess from "The Mummy") - we don't need Uncle Hugo's stinking gas! I will never buy gas at a Citgo station - if necessary, I'll push my car or bike down to the next station. Gotta stand by our principals. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-20-2008, 09:26 AM	#8
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 2,004	[quote=Bravo;567829]Another reason why I love New Hampshire so much... A bigger question to ask is, Why is Bush not accepting oil from Chavez? Oil prices are driven by supply and demand. It's brutally simple. If we began to buy oil from Venezuela, the price of oil for us would drop some. We don't buy though, because he has Communist ties. I swear, I can't wait for the day that this country gets its head out of it's rear and starts to realize that spreading democracy is not the way to go. If other countries want to be communist, socialist, neo-nazi, statist, etc, so be it. Let them do it, keep trading with them, promote peace, and the world will be a better place. quote] There must be a helluva more to it than that! It doesn't seem to bother Bush & co to trade with lots of other Communist countries?? Or allow the American oil companies to help develop the commie countries Oil production facilities! Back in the nineties, I was working in China on an AMOCO oil facility, operated in partnership with CNOOC, the Chinese national oil company! Look at what you buy now that is made in China! Who's got a Norinco or norinco ammo??? That reason doesn't hold water.

07-20-2008, 09:39 AM	#9
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 3,046 Blog Entries: 3	So some of you think it's Ok to accept Oil from a man that nationalized all oil fields in his country and threw out Exxon/Mobile and Conoco/Phillips? Why is anyone buying gas from Citgo? You folks in New Hampshire, shame on you!

07-20-2008, 03:47 PM	#10
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 2,014	No really, there isn't much more to it. We can lower the price of oil in this country by being able to import more oil. Buying oil from Chavez would indeed do just that. Now, how much would it lower it? I don't know..it may not really be that much. Bush won't trade with him because he has ties with Castro. The US won't trade with Castro because we're too stubborn to get over the past and get on with the future. Exxon Mobile was thrown out of Venezuela because they went after Chavez's assets, and really, who could blame them. They're doing the same to the US. Honestly, I don't know who is more dangerous, Chavez, or Exxon Mobile. I must be missing something. Can someone give me a good reason why we shouldn't be openly trading with Venezuela and Cuba?

07-20-2008, 06:53 PM	#13
stalebiscuit Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: atlanta, but much rather be in valdosta Posts: 1,793	selling their souls

07-20-2008, 08:48 PM	#16
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 2,014	Let's just put it this way: Right now, we're buying nothing from them. If they want to sell us cheap oil, let's take it. If they raise the price to obscene heights, then we stop buying from them. Also, let's be clear, American currently exports very little. If we decided to stop exporting any single item to a specific country, they would have no trouble getting that item from another country. I agree that there is a monopoly on oil. It really means that we need to be drilling our own oil and open it up to private countries within the US. Until we can start doing that in mass amounts, we need to get oil from where ever we can. If that means trading with a country that has communist ties, so be it. Venezuela poses no threat to our economy or national security. We are only hurting ourselves by not trading with them.

07-20-2008, 11:09 PM	#17
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,014 Images: 9	Wait a minute. When did we stop buying oil from Venezuela? Last I heard, we were one of their major customers, political posturing on both sides or no. Here we go; I just googled it. Last month, Venezuela was our fourth-largest supplier, after Canada, Saudi Arabia and Mexico: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html __________________ I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said. WF Buckley, Jr

07-20-2008, 11:12 PM	#18
TXplt Conservative in Exile Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 3,186 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	A Canadian friend of mine surprised me with the Canada part while discussing the world's oil plight (overhead Alberta) a few months back. Most people don't think about it, but we do import a whole bunch of oil from Canada. __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

07-21-2008, 06:20 AM	#20
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,412	Every man has his priciples, and his scruples. Choose your own. Me, I don't buy gas from Chavez - beyond the fact he's a Commie - he's simply a dumb%@$ Sum%$@# and I don't like him. So no, I don't buy from CITGO. No advantage in price anyways - the stations down the road have the same prices. I favor a station here in my 'hood that buys their gas from an American oil company - they purposely switched to US-produced oil. And they are generally a couple cents a gallon cheaper. Othewise, I buy the generic dino-juice from other companies. Who knows where it comes from? Just one Dawg's personal opinion. And yes - I own some Commie-produced guns too. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.