San Fran's next step: Legalized prostitution?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by 9mmfan

Have you ever thought that maybe there has only been one airline accident evolving a pilot using cocaine is because it is a illegal drug? That just proved my point, thank you.
I think that statistic might increase just little bit when it is legal and the flight attendants start handing out lines of coke don't you?

You still haven't answered my question yet.......who would pay for all of the extra policemen that would be needed because of the huge increase of D.W.I.'s? Or would we just legalize driving drunk and driving while under the influence? Yeah, that would make our roads a lot safer wouldn't it? It seems to me that legalizing illegal drugs would just cause more government control instead of less.

What about all the people who would end up getting addicted to cocaine or heroin? What if they got fired from their job because they were coming into work high? Who would be stuck with the bill with sending them to rehab. That would cause even more taxes and even more spending. "Texas T" is right, the bread and butter of psychiatry and psychiatric hospitals is substance abuse and who do you think would be stuck with the bill. The U.S. government, that's who.

And what if it was "your" daughter who was killed on the highway because some law abiding citizen decided to snort a few lines of coke before they got on the highway? It would be perfectly legal wouldn't it? Or would it be? You couldn't really have it both ways could you? If you legalize illegal drugs then more people would be driving under the influance........ which would, in turn, increase the need for more policemen.....which means even more government control and higher taxes.......unless you made driving under the influence legal.........then your car insurance would increase, not just a small increase, but a huge increase. Our health insurance would also increase a lot.

Lol, this is hilarious unless it was your daughter or loved one who was killed by someone on the road who was high.

This is a issue that is very close to my heart because about 10 years my cousin was killed by a driver who was high, she died 3 weeks before she was going to graduate from high school. The drug the person was using was pot, the so called "safe drug". His sentence for vehicular homicide was one year in jail and 3 years on probation.

Please don't yell. I deleted all your bold-face to tone the discussion down a little.

1. No. It has never even crossed my mind that there's only been one plane crash involving cocaine because it's illegal. You can get the stuff anywhere; the laws haven't even put a dent in the supply. Instead, they've just driven up the price and made a lot of murderous South American thugs very rich.

2. We'd need fewer policemen, not more. Enforcing the drug laws is probably the single biggest thing eating up manpower and man hours for the law enforcement community in this country.

3. Legalizing other drugs wouldn't make it legal to drive or fly under the influence, any more than legalizing alcohol did.

4. There would be no more people getting hooked than there are right now. I repeat: the stuff is everywhere.

5. You have my sympathy for your loss. But I don't remember anyone ever claiming it was safe to drive under the influence of marijuana, and no one is trying to make doing so legal.

6. I remember a case of a woman who spent a month sleeping in a dumpster behind a rehab clinic, waiting her turn in line to be treated because they were short-handed and short of money. Then she got busted, and spent six months locked up. You know what? That's an idiotic allotment of money and priorities: we aren't willing to treat her because it costs money, but we're willing to pay to keep her behind bars for probably ten times what the treatment and counseling would have cost.

I repeat: you can't fix every problem with cops, judges and jails. As a matter of fact, a lot of the time it just makes the problem worse.

[TXplt]

Originally Posted by Mike Franklin

If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
And if a million people do an immoral thing, it's still an immoral thing.

So how many of ya'll want your daughter to grow up to be a whore?

In some cultures (in the past) this was a revered profession.

What's the difference between this and marrying someone much older for money ?

I don't have a daughter. I don't judge someone's chosen profession. An individual might well be happier being a prostitute than cleaning sewers. Both can be honorable vocations, I beleive. It's not up to me (or a state entity) to decide this for them.

[billy]

i dont use drugs or hire whores.
but i think they should both be legalized.


they go together oh so well!


criminals wouldnt like it a bit.

[9mmfan]

Originally Posted by TXplt

I have answered your question--if you believe there are externalities associated with legalized drug use requiring enforcement, it would come out of the substances being taxed just like alcohol and tobacco. I'd be willing to debate the need for enforcement, though.

The illegality of cocaine has proven no point of yours whatsoever, sir. Believe it or not, most people are able to manage their lives without going through it drunk or high, professional operators especially so. Most people have the self-discipline not to consume materials that will impair their faculties because they are professionals, whether or not any law exists. Antihistimines are completely legal, but most individuals I know would far prefer to call in sick rather than risk flying when sick (also a bad idea) as well as the faculty decrease caused by these meds. Booze has been legal since prohibition. How many commercial airplane accidents have been caused by a drunk pilot ? I can think of one accident in the 70's, but that is it (for all the billions of hours flown--and I do know a little about the subject; I've done accident investigations in the past). I understand and empathize with your situation; this doesn't make it appropriate, in my opinion, to propose solutions that don't work--it'd be no different in my case. If a friend crashes after mishandling an engine problem (when the airplane was completely capable of flying) I'm not going to go out and call for a massive redesign of the airplane because this isn't the cause or solution. Gun control makes crime worse in the United States--attempting to ban guns (drugs) doesn't fix this problem. Fatigue has killed more operators than any drug manufactured. Inattention kills people, not cell phones. It's ok to drink, it's not ok to drive drunk. It makes no difference if this is drunk or high--you're still impared.

How many people are addicted to legal prescription drugs, alcohol, nicotine, high fat foods, risky behavior (all completely legal) ? It'd be no different. I submit the "war against drug" laws if anything have exacerbated our addiction problems by driving them underground. The drug laws and enforcement have succeeded only in making criminals out of citizens, filling our jails, hurting people, and costing ME money.

Eating high fat food is the same as using cocain, heroin and meth? Damn, I'm in trouble now.......no more buffet lines for me......no more "all you can eat" restraunts..........man I'm in trouble big time.....I can't wait to read up on all of the statistics about people being killed on the highway after eating a Big Mack.

I guess it's time for me to enter rehab for eating to many Bar-B-Q Ribs........I'm addicted to Bar-B-Q..............ohhhhhh nooooooo.



P.S. If anyone has read any of my posts they would know that I type all of posts in bold print. Only because it is easer to read, I have not ever "yelled" at anyone. Typing in all capital letters is considered yelling, not typing in bold.

[TXplt]

Actually, unless I've gotten my facts wrong, heart disease is America's number one killer. Is it better one dies of a heart attack instead of liver failure from years of doing drugs or alcohol ? Will a heart attack make someone any less dead because it's a result of doing something some consider as "good." Is medical care due to heart disease any less expensive than drug rehab ?

Everything has risks, which we can't legislate away. Legislating and legally prosecuting so called "Vices" (instead of regulation to deal with them) is not only arbitrary, but hasn't and won't work.

Good night, sir.

[Brother Bob]

Troy2k, do you realize that if a woman gets raped in some countries in the Middle East, they stone them to death? Am I missing something here????

[nathangdad]

point of view. I stand by my post. I truly believe the Bible is right in the
denounciation of whoredom both in a religious and a practical base.

If you want whoredom on demand move to Amsterdam or at least some back alley in Berlin.

[TXplt]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Troy2k, do you realize that if a woman gets raped in some countries in the Middle East, they stone them to death? Am I missing something here????

Respectfully, yes, I think so Brother Bob. I've spent a fair bit of time in Saudi Arabia and other parts of the middle east. I consider many of the people I've met there as hypocrites--quite a few boozers (SA is NOT a dry country, unless you're from the US), and "sins" committed in Baharain with hookers don't count. Much of the help is imported with indentured servants (Pakastan, etc.) and these people were often treated poorly by their employers. I've not observed human trafficing, but had heard stories of indentured women used at least partially as "sex slaves" from sources I considered credible--again the first part is from personal observation, the last not.

No, I wouldn't look anywhere in the Middle East for any type of guidance on how to successfully run a country (or, in my opinion, of how to be a good human being for that matter). Nor would I ever care if I in any way "offended" them or made them mad.

Turkey, on the other hand, was OK.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Troy2k, do you realize that if a woman gets raped in some countries in the Middle East, they stone them to death? Am I missing something here????

You got it sort of right, Bob. Although I haven't heard of a woman being stoned for getting raped, some of the people over there consider it proper for a man to kill his own daughter if she's a victim, because it cleanses the family honor somehow. But there's also a chance he and/or her brothers have nailed his dead neighbor's daughter for a few bucks, because she has no other way to make a living.

I don't really think we need to model our laws with an eye toward impressing them.

edit: oops...looks like TXplt beat me to it here.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by nathangdad

point of view. I stand by my post. I truly believe the Bible is right in the
denounciation of whoredom both in a religious and a practical base.

If you want whoredom on demand move to Amsterdam or at least some back alley in Berlin.

No, I don't "want" whoredom, nathangdad. On demand, or any other way. I'm married. But I don't happen to think our laws should be based on what I want, either.

I'll stand by my observation that the Bible may have denounced whoredom, but a passel of supposedly religious people (then and now) have been known to frequent them anyway.

And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find that Amsterdam and Berlin had less sex-related violence and crime than the average American city.

[Coeloptera]

Originally Posted by GDawg

Actually, prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas. You have to go outside of Clark County if you want to find a brothel. Not to say that there isn't prostitution in Vegas.

It's legal in Germany and controlled by the government. They get medical exams regularly and you can find some very interesting talent in the brothels.

Yep. Outside the county proper. Not really very far outside the city itself, either. We also have tons of "escort services".

Works fine here. No major problems. I don't see why this is a big deal.

As George Carlin said (I'll paraphrase). Selling is legal, ***king is legal. Why isn't selling ***king legal?

I can't really comprehend why selling something it's legal to give away for free isn't legal.

- Coeloptera

[ArkansasHunter]

Legalize Pronstitution, Illegal Drugs ? God forbid !!! Or God Help us !!! That's all I'll say for now...A.H

[TXplt]

^^ It's never free !

or maybe I've just been unlucky........

It's the old hidden cost thing ........

[Sooner Shooter]

"What was shocking yesterday is common place today." I don't know who said it or if anyone said it but that's what is happening today. We keep giving in and giving in to all of lifes' evils. Drug Legalization, prostitution legalization, gay marriage etc. Where will it stop? This can very well be compared to our love for gun ownership. We don't want a law passed for one thing because it may affect us down the road regarding something else, ultimately banning guns for law abiding citizens. Before we know it, child molestations will be no big deal if we don't stand strong against what's wrong!

[9mmfan]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Please don't yell. I deleted all your bold-face to tone the discussion down a little.

Troy, if you would have read any of my posts since last December you would know that almost everything I type is in bold type. I thought everyone with any internet knowledge at all knew that it is considered yelling when you write in all capital letters, not when you type in bold print.

1. No. It has never even crossed my mind that there's only been one plane crash involving cocaine because it's illegal. You can get the stuff anywhere; the laws haven't even put a dent in the supply. Instead, they've just driven up the price and made a lot of murderous South American thugs very rich.

Again, I guess you haven't read anything I have typed. I wasn't even talking to you in the first place, and if you go back and read this thread for your self you would know that.

2. We'd need fewer policemen, not more. Enforcing the drug laws is probably the single biggest thing eating up manpower and man hours for the law enforcement community in this country.

I agree, but I would take it a step farther, I don't think having more policemen and judges would solve anything.

3. Legalizing other drugs wouldn't make it legal to drive or fly under the influence, any more than legalizing alcohol did.

I can see now that you didn't read anything I posted, so maybe I will try to explain it to you. I never said that legalizing drugs would make it legal to drive or fly under the influence, in fact, that doesn't even make any sense.

4. There would be no more people getting hooked than there are right now. I repeat: the stuff is everywhere.

I disagree 100%, it might be everywhere in California, but it's not like that in the rest of country. I guess it depends on who your friends are and who you hang out with.

5. You have my sympathy for your loss. But I don't remember anyone ever claiming it was safe to drive under the influence of marijuana, and no one is trying to make doing so legal.

This is getting old, again you never read what I posted. I never said that anyone was claiming it was safe to drive under the influence of any type of drug. And I never said that anyone is trying to make driving under the influence legal.

6. I remember a case of a woman who spent a month sleeping in a dumpster behind a rehab clinic, waiting her turn in line to be treated because they were short-handed and short of money. Then she got busted, and spent six months locked up. You know what? That's an idiotic allotment of money and priorities: we aren't willing to treat her because it costs money, but we're willing to pay to keep her behind bars for probably ten times what the treatment and counseling would have cost.

If the woman never got hooked on drugs in the first place I guess she wouldn't have spent 6 months living in a dumpster would she? I bet spending 6 months in jail with free room and board, free health care and free cable TV would be a improvement compared with spending 6 months living inside a dumpster. I bet after 6 months in jail she wasn't hooked on drugs anymore too.

I repeat: you can't fix every problem with cops, judges and jails. As a matter of fact, a lot of the time it just makes the problem worse.

Like I said before, I know you can't fix all the problems with more cops, judges and jails, I never said you could. Again, please read my posts before you respond, ok?

I do know one thing, the major cause of death for people under the age of 20 is being killed by a drunk driver. It would be foolish to think that by legalizing Meth, Heroin and Cocaine that there wouldn't be more people out on the road under the influence.

If they ever did make drugs like cocaine, meth and heroin legal, there would be more young people using them and by the time they became your age (if they lived that long) they would be so burned out they wouldn't even have enough brain cells left for them to even make on their own. They would be spending the rest of their life living on disability on my tax money.

Drugs like Heroin, Cocaine and Meth kills brain cells, that is a fact. There is a good reason there not legal. What part of "dead brain cells" do people not understand?

I also agree 100% with Nathangdad.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Sooner Shooter

"What was shocking yesterday is common place today." I don't know who said it or if anyone said it but that's what is happening today. We keep giving in and giving in to all of lifes' evils. Drug Legalization, prostitution legalization, gay marriage etc. Where will it stop? This can very well be compared to our love for gun ownership. We don't want a law passed for one thing because it may affect us down the road regarding something else, ultimately banning guns for law abiding citizens. Before we know it, child molestations will be no big deal if we don't stand strong against what's wrong!

Oh, please. Talk about non sequiturs...

Somehow, I don't see the connection between legalizing prostitution and molesting children. That makes about as much sense as saying that since the Supreme Court has ruled we have the right to keep and bear arms, before we know it murdering your neighbor will be no big deal. Or that if we allow fencing teams in high school, before we know it schoolyard stabbings will be no big deal.

[TXplt]

^ +1

It's tough to do cross cultural analysis (it always has limited validity), but many of our European breathern have far less hang ups about and problems with Alcohol than we do here. This is because wine and beer are treated as a part of life in the family from the get go (and dealt with as such), not some prohibited forbidden fruit. If a kid is curious about a glass of wine or beer with dinner in Italy, stormtroopers don't rush in and throw the parents in jail.

Drugs, sex, tobacco, and booze are perennial issues to have to deal with when growing up. Our nanny state laws here regarding these issues (and others) have in actuality made our social problems far worse than they otherwise would have been--far worse indeed than just leaving the situation alone. These laws are actually contributing to (and exacerbating) our problems--not helping--individuals are trained to rely on the state to solve problems they can only solve themselves. They can only be solved and addressed by self, family and parents--not by a legal system.

[Pred]

$20 says if you legalize prostitution the divorce rate in this country gets cut in half.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by Pred

$20 says if you legalize prostitution the divorce rate in this country gets cut in half.

$20 bucks says STD rates go up.

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by GDawg

Actually, prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas. You have to go outside of Clark County if you want to find a brothel. Not to say that there isn't prostitution in Vegas.

It's legal in Germany and controlled by the government. They get medical exams regularly and you can find some very interesting talent in the brothels.

I meant, the Bunny Ranch, and it is still up (pun intended) and running isn't it? I thought it was in Vegas is all, my bad. lol But you know/knew where and what I meant...lol