San Fran's next step: Legalized prostitution?

GlockMeister · 07-21-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Ok, that's fine. Now we can set up, yet another government agency to oversee the prostitutes health records, payroll, etc. all at the tax-payers expense! Don't you folks in California already pay high enough taxes? Ban lead bullets and legalize prostitution ......... I swear there's something in they're drinking water!

You blobbered a sib full.

Pred · 07-21-2008, 10:15 AM

Compared to what, now? The amount of money the women would make would probably be more then enough to keep them "clean". You do realize that back in March CNN released a story/study that said 1 in 4 teen girls in America has an STD right? I fail to see how it can get much worse at this point.... Daddy's little girls are already whores, and loving it. Might as well make some money for doing what they like....

jimkim · 07-21-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

$20 bucks says STD rates go up.

Your on. Usually it goes down. The ????ladies??? in question are usually required to get medical checkups to keep their license.

I think the bunny ranch was outside the Las Vegas city limits or it could be in Reno.

GlockMeister · 07-21-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

....and who's going to handle the licenses and fees in California? The Dept. of Fish and Game?

No, it'll be the dept. of my bank account or yours this week?

TexasT · 07-21-2008, 10:21 AM

Well, 80% of sexually active adults will have an "STD" by age 50. It's called HPV. Doesn't cause problems in the vast majority, but it can. I'm sure that's what they're talking about. It's not the worst one to have. The really bad one is HIV, which is not detectable for at least 3 months after exposure. Heterosexual females are the ones increasing drastically in exposure. Wonder how they get it? Unfaithful husbands/boyfriends. You know, MSMs? Herpes is also another one that can be silent at times.

TexasT · 07-21-2008, 10:24 AM

And divorce rates go down? Of course I'm not married, but if I caught my husband using one of those facilities he'd be gone with the quickness.

Pred · 07-21-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

The really bad one is HIV, which is not detectable for at least 3 months after exposure. Heterosexual females are the ones increasing drastically in exposure. Wonder how they get it? Unfaithful husbands/boyfriends.

.... Or maybe cheating whores for wives. Door swings both ways.

TXplt · 07-21-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

$20 bucks says STD rates go up.

I would tend to debate this. This "externality" often keeps men (especially married) in check making the effective cost of prostitution higher and reducing demand. I don't believe that legal or illegal prostitution has much effect whatsoever on marital fidelity. Someone can catch an STD by running around with a co-worker equally as easily as from a prostitute.

If licensed and examined (not driven underground) to deal with this asymmetric information/externality we might actually see a decrease in STD's. Working girls (and guys) would be more careful, not wanting to lose their license (or have it suspended while treated). Johns might tend to patronize ladies with a current medical vice those without. I think the underground approach in existence through most of the U.S. combines the worst of all worlds--disease, crime, and substance abuse.

I don't believe places where prostitution is legal and regulated have higher STD rates (including AIDS) than countries where it's illegal. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

TexasT · 07-21-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pred

.... Or maybe cheating whores for wives. Door swings both ways.

What I've said is true. I can give you references if you'd like.

TXplt · 07-21-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

What I've said is true. I can give you references if you'd like.

I'd be interested in that--STD rates amongst areas where prostitution is legal and regulated (medicals, etc -- Germany, Macau, Nevada, Korea ? UK ?) and not legal. I'm not sure stats from Bangkok are necessarily legitimate in this regard--there's no regulation--(but wouldn't mind seeing them anyway).

Not that I plan on using them for anything other than esoteric information

This doesn't change the core argument, however. As long as the correct information is available to potential customers (and externalities regulated) government has no justification being involved here. It's a personal decision to be made.

Pred · 07-21-2008, 10:39 AM

Honestly I think a majority of the infidelity in this country comes from being unhappy with the way your partner looks. In, I think, '03, something like 65% of the people in this country were considered overweight or obese. Just read a study that ended in 2004 that said over 61% of the women in this country are overweight or obese. You can love someone to the point of self sacrifice, but not being attracted to them is just that, your not attracted to them. It's human nature, especially for men, to "want" to be with someone who they are attracted to, same thing for women however a mans job as always been to reproduce compared to a woman staying at home with one man and a family. When a woman, or a man, feel crappy about themselves it spills over on to their partner. A woman who hates her body and doesn't feel sexy won't show the same... enthusiasm, I guess, that a woman who loves the way she looks will. A man can only compliment his wife so much with no impact or results before doing so really does nothing to make the situation better. If someone is unhappy with their sexual experiences at home, sooner or later someone will make him feel the way he wants, to feel desired. Thats how affairs happen, same goes for a woman. Most affairs have nothing to do with love, and the person committing the affair doesn't love their partner any less, it's just that they need to feel a way their partner no longer makes them feel.

Pred · 07-21-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

What I've said is true. I can give you references if you'd like.

I have no doubt what you said is true. Men cheat, but so do women.

GlockMeister · 07-21-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pred

Compared to what, now? The amount of money the women would make would probably be more then enough to keep them "clean". You do realize that back in March CNN released a story/study that said 1 in 4 teen girls in America has an STD right? I fail to see how it can get much worse at this point.... Daddy's little girls are already whores, and loving it. Might as well make some money for doing what they like....

Do you really think once they regulate it, tax it and basically make it a profession, they'll make the same amount of money? Break it down and they'll all end up just making minimum wage or slightly more.

Here's a conversation I can see happening in the future.

Mother and Father: So (insert any female name here) have you decided what you want to do with your life?

Their daughter: Yes, I'm going to move to San Francisco and become a legalized modern day WHORE!

Mother and Father: But (insert name here), what about your dreams to become a doctor, lawyer, etc.etc.etc.

Their daughter: Well seeing as how I love sex, I just figure, why not make money doing something I love. You want me to be happy don't you?

I don't think anyone any longer cares about the fabrics of or for a moral society anymore. It seems to me, people just give up and let anything go because it's easier to do or because they fear someone will sue them. That some group will picket outside their work or home or say they're a racist or a homophobe or some crap like that instead of saying they've chosen to simply stand by their own morals and ethics. I think less and less anymore have any morals or ethics which is why the world is the way it is anymore.

The only ones who would approve of this are those who have or would someday take a trip there or to any other street corner or section of town where sex is sold. I'm sorry, I don't care how you rap it or how you color it, it's still selling sex.

TexasT · 07-21-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TXplt

I would tend to debate this. This "externality" often keeps men (especially married) in check making the effective cost of prostitution higher and reducing demand. I don't believe that legal or illegal prostitution has much effect whatsoever on marital fidelity. Someone can catch an STD by running around with a co-worker equally as easily as from a prostitute.

If licensed and examined (not driven underground) to deal with this asymmetric information/externality we might actually see a decrease in STD's. Working girls (and guys) would be more careful, not wanting to lose their license (or have it suspended while treated). Johns might tend to patronize ladies with a current medical vice those without. I think the underground approach in existence through most of the U.S. combines the worst of all worlds--disease, crime, and substance abuse.

I don't believe places where prostitution is legal and regulated have higher STD rates (including AIDS) than countries where it's illegal. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

People who take risky sexual activity are the ones that are likely to get an STD. Having sex with a prostitute (i.e. someone that has a greater risk for exposure due to the lifestyle) is risky. Sleeping with a co-worker MAY land you with an STD if that person also engages in risky sexual activity.

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TexasT · 07-21-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pred

I have no doubt what you said is true. Men cheat, but so do women.

I didn't deny that, but what I said is that heterosexual women are the most rapidly increasing group of people with new diagnosis of HIV. The most widely accepted/common method is the cheating husband theory.

GlockMeister · 07-21-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

And divorce rates go down? Of course I'm not married, but if I caught my husband using one of those facilities he'd be gone with the quickness.

And don't you think the more the facilities the greater the odds? I mean the more the facilities the more it says to everyone, IT'S OKAY TO DO!

TXplt · 07-21-2008, 10:45 AM

Glock, It'll be determined by the market, just like any other form of skilled occupation. There are pilots paid $30,000 a year and pilots paid $300K a year. In the U.S. there are $50 prostitutes and $5000 prostitutes (ask mr. spitzer). You can pay for the level of service you wish to receive.

GlockMeister · 07-21-2008, 10:46 AM

So another words, what you're saying is, you're ok with it?

TXplt · 07-21-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

I didn't deny that, but what I said is that heterosexual women are the most rapidly increasing group of people with new diagnosis of HIV. The most widely accepted/common method is the cheating husband theory.

I still wouldn't mind seeing the stats demonstrating that regulated prostitution would make this worse instead of better

I think availability of prostitution has little effect on whether a spouse cheats.

TXplt · 07-21-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

So another words, what you're saying is, you're ok with it?

With regulated prostitution as a profession--absolutely.

To me, it seems excessively hypocritical as well that porn stars are legal (having sex and acting for money) and prostitution isn't.

07-21-2008, 10:21 AM	#65
TexasT No Whining Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Somewhere. Posts: 4,937 Blog Entries: 17	Well, 80% of sexually active adults will have an "STD" by age 50. It's called HPV. Doesn't cause problems in the vast majority, but it can. I'm sure that's what they're talking about. It's not the worst one to have. The really bad one is HIV, which is not detectable for at least 3 months after exposure. Heterosexual females are the ones increasing drastically in exposure. Wonder how they get it? Unfaithful husbands/boyfriends. You know, MSMs? Herpes is also another one that can be silent at times. __________________ I walk like this because I can back it up.

07-21-2008, 10:24 AM	#66
TexasT No Whining Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Somewhere. Posts: 4,937 Blog Entries: 17	And divorce rates go down? Of course I'm not married, but if I caught my husband using one of those facilities he'd be gone with the quickness. __________________ I walk like this because I can back it up.

07-21-2008, 10:39 AM	#71
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Honestly I think a majority of the infidelity in this country comes from being unhappy with the way your partner looks. In, I think, '03, something like 65% of the people in this country were considered overweight or obese. Just read a study that ended in 2004 that said over 61% of the women in this country are overweight or obese. You can love someone to the point of self sacrifice, but not being attracted to them is just that, your not attracted to them. It's human nature, especially for men, to "want" to be with someone who they are attracted to, same thing for women however a mans job as always been to reproduce compared to a woman staying at home with one man and a family. When a woman, or a man, feel crappy about themselves it spills over on to their partner. A woman who hates her body and doesn't feel sexy won't show the same... enthusiasm, I guess, that a woman who loves the way she looks will. A man can only compliment his wife so much with no impact or results before doing so really does nothing to make the situation better. If someone is unhappy with their sexual experiences at home, sooner or later someone will make him feel the way he wants, to feel desired. Thats how affairs happen, same goes for a woman. Most affairs have nothing to do with love, and the person committing the affair doesn't love their partner any less, it's just that they need to feel a way their partner no longer makes them feel. Last edited by Pred; 07-21-2008 at 10:45 AM.

07-21-2008, 10:45 AM	#77
TXplt Conservative in Exile Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 3,186 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	Glock, It'll be determined by the market, just like any other form of skilled occupation. There are pilots paid $30,000 a year and pilots paid $300K a year. In the U.S. there are $50 prostitutes and $5000 prostitutes (ask mr. spitzer). You can pay for the level of service you wish to receive. __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

07-21-2008, 10:46 AM	#78
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 6,257	So another words, what you're saying is, you're ok with it? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-21-2008, 10:15 AM	#62
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Compared to what, now? The amount of money the women would make would probably be more then enough to keep them "clean". You do realize that back in March CNN released a story/study that said 1 in 4 teen girls in America has an STD right? I fail to see how it can get much worse at this point.... Daddy's little girls are already whores, and loving it. Might as well make some money for doing what they like....