San Fran's next step: Legalized prostitution?

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by TXplt

I'd be interested in that--STD rates amongst areas where prostitution is legal and regulated (medicals, etc -- Germany, Macau, Nevada, Korea ? UK ?) and not legal. I'm not sure stats from Bangkok are necessarily legitimate in this regard--there's no regulation--(but wouldn't mind seeing them anyway).

Not that I plan on using them for anything other than esoteric information

This doesn't change the core argument, however. As long as the correct information is available to potential customers (and externalities regulated) government has no justification being involved here. It's a personal decision to be made.

I was referring to information on HIV rates in the US. I can also give you info on HPV in the US.

[TXplt]

OK, sorry TT --this only really works as an argument (as far as if it's a legitimate concern for an externality caused by prostitution) if we compare rates between places where regulated prostitution is legal vice where it isn't.

Again, it doesn't change the core argument as far as outlawing prostitution, so long as johns are informed as to the actual risks they're taking.

And I'd also submit it might be no less dangerous than hang gliding, rock climbing, bungee jumping, or parachuting at night (and a whole lot safer than an inexperienced pilot tangling with weather). -- all of which are legal activities for the most part.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by GlockMeister

So another words, what you're saying is, you're ok with it?

I really don't see a problem with it. Regardless, your not selling sex, your selling TIME, which no one seems to understand. Tutors sell their time to teach people how to do something. Bodyguards sell their time to protect someone. Selling your time to make someone feel good is no different then a clown selling his time to entertain some kids a birthday party. Simply because a book says it's wrong or you don't agree with it doesn't make it any less of a profession.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by Pred

Honestly I think a majority of the infidelity in this country comes from being unhappy with the way your partner looks. In, I think, '03, something like 65% of the people in this country were considered overweight or obese. Just read a study that ended in 2004 that said over 61% of the women in this country are overweight or obese. You can love someone to the point of self sacrifice, but not being attracted to them is just that, your not attracted to them. It's human nature, especially for men, to "want" to be with someone who they are attracted to, same thing for women however a mans job as always been to reproduce compared to a woman staying at home with one man and a family. When a woman, or a man, feel crappy about themselves it spills over on to their partner. A woman who hates her body and doesn't feel sexy won't show the same... enthusiasm, I guess, that a woman who loves the way she looks will. A man can only compliment his wife so much with no impact or results before doing so really does nothing to make the situation better. If someone is unhappy with their sexual experiences at home, sooner or later someone will make him feel the way he wants, to feel desired. Thats how affairs happen, same goes for a woman. Most affairs have nothing to do with love, and the person committing the affair doesn't love their partner any less, it's just that they need to feel a way their partner no longer makes them feel.

This is very interesting, because a lot of the men I've seen judge women by their looks are no super models themselves. Why is it easier for women to accept their significant others for looks and size of their "anatomy", but hard for men to do the same? Why those cheating men can't accept their women has less to do with looks and more to do with poor self control and obsolete morals.

[Pred]

Easy, it all goes back to how men and women have lived their lives over thousands of years, and what is expected from each gender. The man has always been the provider, and, again, it's always been the nature of a man to reproduce with as many women as possible. Women on the other hand have always been the person at home who cooks, cleans, and looks after the children while the man is away. 99% of the time, whats a mans fantasy? To be with many women. 99% of the time, whats a womans fantasy? To find that one man to make her happy and take care of her.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by TXplt

OK, sorry TT --this only really works as an argument (as far as if it's a legitimate concern for an externality caused by prostitution) if we compare rates between places where regulated prostitution is legal vice where it isn't.

Again, it doesn't change the core argument as far as outlawing prostitution, so long as johns are informed as to the actual risks they're taking.

And I'd also submit it might be no less dangerous than hang gliding, rock climbing, bungee jumping, or parachuting at night (and a whole lot safer than an inexperienced pilot tangling with weather). -- all of which are legal activities for the most part.

Yes, it would be really hard to compare the US with other places that have legalized prostitution because those places have had this system in place for many years. Also those places are less prude than the US. There, it's ok to be open about sexuality, here not so much. That's why the MSM theory of HIV transmission works. That's how people get STDs. I don't think a US man who goes to one of those places would likely disclose that info to his spouse so that she can be safe as well. Let alone disclose other information about what he may be doing outside of home and the prostitution house.

[GlockMeister]

No matter what you call it, how you label it or what color you give it, PORN STAR, PROSTITUTE or WHORE, it's still the same thing, selling sex, ones body for money.

I suppose it is in a sense already a profession. I mean it has been around for many, many years. But keeping it illegal, to me, keeps the morals of the masses separate. Making it legal says anything goes and we as a society no longer care and no longer have morals.

Sure, you can have morals and still have legalized prostitution. Why stop there. Legalize drugs also then. Why even bother to draw a line anymore? Go ahead and legalize rape and murder then as well. I mean, if as a society we're going to let one city get it's way when it comes to something that for hundreds of years has been illegal, to now try and legalize it, why not do the same for everything else that's illegal to do?

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by Pred

I really don't see a problem with it. Regardless, your not selling sex, your selling TIME, which no one seems to understand. Tutors sell their time to teach people how to do something. Bodyguards sell their time to protect someone. Selling your time to make someone feel good is no different then a clown selling his time to entertain some kids a birthday party. Simply because a book says it's wrong or you don't agree with it doesn't make it any less of a profession.

Selling time? What, are the men doinking air? Blow up dolls? What? Are they just talking? LMFAO Anything to condone it and agree with the masses.

[Pred]

Actually Glock, your reasoning is flawed. The difference is prostitution, drugs, they only, if all, hurt those who CHOOSE to participate. Rape and murder is causing harm to another person. Legalizing prostitution has nothing to do with morals, it's just another case of the government protection ourselves, from, ourselves. Personal responsibility has long been forgotten in this country. All you have to do is look at the news each night and hear all the people place blame on others for what they've done or what they don't have in life. I really don't see why we don't legalize drugs. Do you realize the amount of tax dollars this country could generate if we just legalized weed? And please, you smoke a few joints and need to "sober" up real quick, it's very easy to do. You drink 8 shots of tequila and need to sober up, give yourself a few hours. I've done both, maybe you have to, either way I'm speaking from my own experiences. And you really need to let the whole "moral" argument go. Right, wrong, morals, are nothing more then a point of view. Some people view something one way, someone else views it another. This country is lacking common sense, not morals.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Selling time? What, are the men doinking air? Blow up dolls? What? Are they just talking? LMFAO Anything to condone it and agree with the masses.

Masses? What masses? I fail to see the 100 million people demanding prostitution be legalized. When you go to work, your place of work pays you for your time, not what you produce. The only difference is people who don't approve of something demonize it by distorting the truth. If I pay a women $500 to spend the evening with me, I'm paying her for her time. What we do during that time period is really no ones business.

[big shrek]

Never really saw the need for hookers...I live in Florida near the beach...all one has to do is dress nice & be polite, dance a little...you meet more horny vacationers than you can handle.

There are a LOT of women just out looking to put down in their Diary, "What & Who I did over my summer vacation!"

Thank God that Earth Girls are Easy!!

[TXplt]

Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Selling time? What, are the men doinking air? Blow up dolls? What? Are they just talking? LMFAO Anything to condone it and agree with the masses.

Actually, maybe I look at the world strangely, but I see a good prostitute (whose job it is to stimulate the senses and provide company) as being absolutely no different than any other type of good entertainer or artisan at his/her craft. Really the same as a singer, pianist, masseuse, actor, chef, or comic.

I don't look on prostitution as an immoral activity. This is probably why our constitution (wisely) separated religion from politics. I also do consider myself as a religious person; my beliefs are not the same as some others on this topic at all. I'll side with George Carlin on this one.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by Pred

Easy, it all goes back to how men and women have lived their lives over thousands of years, and what is expected from each gender. The man has always been the provider, and, again, it's always been the nature of a man to reproduce with as many women as possible. Women on the other hand have always been the person at home who cooks, cleans, and looks after the children while the man is away. 99% of the time, whats a mans fantasy? To be with many women. 99% of the time, whats a womans fantasy? To find that one man to make her happy and take care of her.

With more and more women becoming independent of a man's support, men need to get with the program. I don't need any man to provide for me, and I sure as heck don't need one to provide for me that thinks he can go sleep with whores because of it.

[TXplt]

Thanks for the video, BTW TT (although I'd consider the lady as a far more productive citizen than the cameraman ). Off to the range to shoot my summer gun (Charter .44). Only wish I could find some source for .44spl that wasn't so expensive. Enjoy !

[Mike Franklin]

I notice that most of those in favor of legal prostitution are men. Now given the liberation of women, how are you guys gonna feel when you find out that some guy hung like a mule has been taking care of your wife's sexual needs?

[Pred]

Originally Posted by TexasT

With more and more women becoming independent

Many people have said this has specifically contributed to many of the problems in this country, and, I tend to agree. During the 60's and 70's when women decided they should leave the home and work, families then started to allow the TV to raise their children, which is very true today, along with the internet. Suicide rates, teen pregnancy, drug use, a failing educational system, all were on the rise after this time period. While I'm not saying it's a womens "job" to stay at home, it's generally been accepted over many years and in many cultures that that is the way it is. Having a parent at home does a lot for kids, but sadly that doesn't hold true any more as both parents work. Now however, it's more out of necessity then choice.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by Mike Franklin

I notice that most of those in favor of legal prostitution are men. Now given the liberation of women, how are you guys gonna feel when you find out that some guy hung like a mule has been taking care of your wife's sexual needs?

That only applies if your not already hung like a mule .... And besides, why else do you think men keep guns in different rooms of the home.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by Mike Franklin

I notice that most of those in favor of legal prostitution are men. Now given the liberation of women, how are you guys gonna feel when you find out that some guy hung like a mule has been taking care of your wife's sexual needs?

I was just going to say this. Thanks!

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by Pred

That only applies if your not already hung like a mule .... And besides, why else do you think men keep guns in different rooms of the home.

Haha, let's be real here...this just isn't true of the majority.

[Pred]

I know, I feel sorry for all the other mens wives.... But, oh well. I can only please so many women, real shame too.