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Old 08-22-2008, 09:13 PM   #1
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A flaw of the 1911 could be fatal 4 you.

I am in the process of writing/rewriting an article on the 1911.

It has been met with severe criticism in some quarters, but that does not change the facts of the matter.

Here is a link to it: http://www.pointshooting.com/1911.htm

It has to do with CQ self defense, not target and range shooting.
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It has been met with severe criticism in some quarters, but that does not change the facts of the matter.

Naturally. Any time you challenge one of America's most beloved platforms, you will be met with criticism.

The gist I take from your article is your criticism of the 1911 is...

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Basically, the method calls for placing the index finger along the side of the gun and using it to aim with, and pulling the trigger with the middle finger.

IMHO, that should never be done with any handgun. Period.

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Old 08-22-2008, 09:30 PM   #3
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That sounds like about the most un-natural way to hold a handgun that I've ever heard of.
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:40 PM   #4
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Placing your index finger on the side of any auto could cause it to malfunction. Not just a 1911.

Placing your index finger on the side of any revolver and this could happen:
http://www.auctionarms.com/help/foru...ubjectID=22431
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:41 PM   #5
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I tried it, and the gun points down....there is no way 'pointing' with my finger with the middle one in the trigger did anything but aim ridiculously low.
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good thing my index finger is on the trigger eh?
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:44 PM   #7
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Shooting a firearm in any situation, let alone a defensive one, in that manner just seems rediculous. It would be un-natural as .22guy stated, and I don't recall ever hearing about this in any formal defensive handgun training I've been through. And since the 1911 poses a problem for this particular grip, it has a design flaw? I think not.
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And since the 1911 poses a problem for this particular grip, it has a design flaw? I think not.
Exactly.

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is this whole thread a joke?
because forgive me for saying ...
but that is one of the stupidest things i have read in a long time.
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Eh, dunno. I kinda took it the OP was wanting a flame war. Then again, I like jumping to conclusions. I'm good at that. I just close my eyes and let it do what it do.
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^+1 This seems like a joke
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:14 PM   #12
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Why don't you just point the barrel instead of you finger? Hey pull my finger
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Shooting a firearm in any situation, let alone a defensive one, in that manner just seems rediculous. It would be un-natural as .22guy stated, and I don't recall ever hearing about this in any formal defensive handgun training I've been through. And since the 1911 poses a problem for this particular grip, it has a design flaw? I think not.
Me thinks this would be nearly impossible with dueling pistols as stated. Most dueling pistols are side-lock and the shooter would most like get his index digit caught up in the lock. Ouch
Used to do this when I lost my Red Ryder pistol...I also hollered Bang! The louder the yell the bigger the bullet.
Seems like a joke thread to me.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:45 PM   #14
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is this whole thread a joke?
because forgive me for saying ...
but that is one of the stupidest things i have read in a long time.
I said the same differently and had the post dissapear. Guess I should have had more restraint.
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Old 08-23-2008, 03:11 AM   #15
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Sounds like someone totally misunderstanding the basic concept of 'point shooting'.........
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Um.. I don't ever shoot like that. White nail polish eliminates any sort of visibility issue..

I don't think I could even get an aimed shot off while gripping like that...
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Weird thing...My first post disappeared too !
I will repeat what I said...As a 1911 shooter, by design, the Index finger cannot ride on the takedown pin without also being in an un-natural position and if fired like that, the finger will be impacted by the slide. The Natural position is that the Index finger rides at the top of the trigger guard in the machined surface below the slide and below the pin. So you CAN point your
Index finger and you Can't fire with the middle finger without risking damage to your Index finger being hit by the slide. John Browning Knew what he was doing !
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Yea Rich.. I just don't see how someone could actually aimed fire like that..

It just feels wrong...


Like holding the gun upside down and trying to aim+fire it that way or sideways "Gangsta" style...
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Old 08-23-2008, 03:48 AM   #19
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How is this a flaw? I am lost.

Millions of people has safely fired the pistol without doing this strange thing concerning their finger.

The gun is what it is, and it is meant to be handled in a certain way.

You should practice with and get good with it in the way it is meant to be handled.
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My post dis-appeared too, where I gave his theory the middle finger.

The poster never came back...
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