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Old 08-31-2008, 10:32 AM   #1
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Obama's gun ban rhetoric

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign just won't let the gun issue rest. Mr. Obama and his campaign surrogates continue to assure gun owners that he is on their side. Yet, despite all the Democratic claims to the contrary, Mr. Obama is undoubtedly the most anti-gun candidate ever nominated by a major party for president.

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Old 08-31-2008, 11:51 AM   #2
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When you look at Obama's record as an anti-gunner, no one is going to believe he's had a change of heart on the matter of gun rights. The only reason he is trying to convince people he's a friend of gun owners is that he knows the gun owners and Second Amendment supporters in the United States know damned well he's as virulently antigun as Nancy Pelosi and Carolyn McCarthy.

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Old 08-31-2008, 01:11 PM   #3
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When you look at Obama's record as an anti-gunner, no one is going to believe he's had a change of heart on the matter of gun rights. The only reason he is trying to convince people he's a friend of gun owners is that he knows the gun owners and Second Amendment supporters in the United States know damned well he's as virulently antigun as Nancy Pelosi and Carolyn McCarthy.

Not to mention his running mate's anti-gun record.
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Old 08-31-2008, 01:46 PM   #5
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Let us look at Obama's recent history

This is not political. Just read the news releases.

The primaries. Obama was an "end the war" campaigner and took in millions of votes and dollars from those who wanted the war ended now and the troops brought home. At the very end when he won he became a "listen to the general on the ground" politician.

The primary campaign theme. Obama was a "new voice, new politician, new visionary who wanted to do away with old style politics". Now he as a vice presidential candidate who is everything Obama was against in the primaries. Biden is classic old school, old style, well funded, establishment liberal.

So, why listen to him? His past is his true roadway.
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Well, he is running on the platform of "CHANGE".
And it seems he does change his tune to match the audience at hand.
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Old 08-31-2008, 08:30 PM   #8
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I got a news letter from the FOB where the two answered several questions.
Obama said he supports 'common sense gun control' like the Brady Bill which he would like to see reinacted.
Need I say more.
Biden's record speaks for it's self.
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I got a news letter form the FOB where the two answered several questions.
Obama said he supports 'common sense gun control' like the Brady Bill which he would like to see reinacted.
Need I say more.
Biden's record speaks for it's self.
I believe the Brady Bill was enacted about a generation ago...need I say more?
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:57 PM   #10
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... the Brady Bill and the AWB were both mistakes.
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I believe the Brady Bill was enacted about a generation ago...need I say more?
Does that mean you agree with it?
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Does that mean you agree with it?
No. But it's a little late to get hysterical and try to fight its passage, don't you think? Next we'll be arguing about whether Hawaii should become a state.

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Old 09-01-2008, 12:45 AM   #13
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I got a news letter form the FOB where the two answered several questions.
Obama said he supports 'common sense gun control' like the Brady Bill which he would like to see reinacted.
Need I say more.
Biden's record speaks for it's self.
Well,,,,If Obama did say that about the Brady Bill ( passed into law by Clinton Nov 1993, enacted Feb 1994), then he don't have a clue whats he's thinking or talking about.
First, the Supreme Court ruled that it violated provisions in the Constitution for one thing. So it really just became a waiting period. And the waiting provisions of the bill expired in 1998. The Bill was replaced however, with NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) which still has a waiting period. So whats the point of reinacting the Brady Bill, unless he wants redundant inefficiency, (wouldn't suprise me either). If he did state that, then I think he don't even knows the NICS exist or what it is however. On the other hand, he just wants more gun control of any kind, and whatever comes across the table he'll sign his name to, in my opinion.

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No. But it's a little late to get hysterical and try to fight its passage, don't you think? Next we'll be arguing about whether Hawaii should become a state.
There's no argument, period. If you'll remember, the Dems passed it several years ago and weren't our lives all better because of it?
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No. But it's a little late to get hysterical and try to fight its passage, don't you think? Next we'll be arguing about whether Hawaii should become a state.
Many of its provisions, as well as the AWB had a sunset period and are now gone. We need make sure it and they don't reappear in any way, shape, or form. We need fight passage of these, as well as changes or extensions of NICS which might be back door means of gun control.

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Many of its provisions, as well as the AWB had a sunset period and are now gone. We need make sure it and they don't reappear in any way, shape, or form. We need fight passage of these, as well as changes or extensions of NICS which might be back door means of gun control.

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Agreed. The proof that these measures did nothing to curb gun violence is in the history books since their inception and sunset.
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Keep up. It expired, the sunset clause. Why do you thing AR's are on the market with 30 rd mags. Our hand guns have hi-cap mags and the like.
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Keep up. It expired, the sunset clause. Why do you thing AR's are on the market with 30 rd mags. Our hand guns have hi-cap mags and the like.
Why are hi-cap mags and AR's on the market? That certainly has nothing to do with the Brady Bill, Jim. You're thinking of another bill entirely: the Assault Weapons Ban.

The Brady Bill targeted handguns. It had no sunset clause. And to the best of my knowledge it's still in full force today, except for the five-day waiting period (which was superceded by the NICS).
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... it still does nothing to change the FACT that Obama and Biden are both completely anti-gun and will do everything possible to attack the 2nd Amendment to take the guns away from the people. IF you believe otherwise, you are just fooling yourself.

They will attempt to reintroduce the AWB and be much more inclusive to encompass all firearms...
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Why are hi-cap mags and AR's on the market? That certainly has nothing to do with the Brady Bill, Jim. You're thinking of another bill entirely: the Assault Weapons Ban.

The Brady Bill targeted handguns. It had no sunset clause. And to the best of my knowledge it's still in full force today, except for the five-day waiting period (which was superceded by the NICS).
Largely semantics; the Brady act waiting period itself expired in November 1998 and was replaced by NICS at the same time. Private sales--non FFL--were never covered. Several provisions requiring LE checks were ruled as unconstitutional and struck down. The law really doesn't do anything anymore unless NICS isn't working and a firearm is bought from a dealer.
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