Gay Attack Swept Under The Rug

Coeloptera · 09-14-2008, 10:20 PM

Gay attack swept under the shrug - The Denver Post

Gay guy visits Denver with his cousin and her boyfriend.

Guy on street hurls a nasty slur at gay guy, then punches gay guy in head.

Gay guy has boxing training, beats crap out of bigot, headlocks him until police arrive.

No arrest, no charges, attacker's name not even taken down.

Now mind you, hate-crime legislation is silly, the crimes themselves have penalties already.

But isn't this, if nothing else, simple assault?

- Coeloptera

stalebiscuit · 09-14-2008, 10:22 PM

ya, it is assault

maybe the gay dude might have been taken in as well

if charges were pressed the gay guy would have to at the least give a statement and deal with a bunch of crap from it, generally from what i understand, two guys get into a fight.....they usually both go to jail

Coeloptera · 09-14-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

ya, it is assault

if charges were pressed the gay guy would have to at the least give a statement and deal with a bunch of crap from it, generally from what i understand, two guys get into a fight.....they usually both go to jail

Sounds like he really wanted to make a statement. Didn't sound like he'd mind waiting down at the station until it was sorted out.

Also sounds like a pretty one-sided beatdown.

Fabulous update!
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"Last week, an investigation by DPD Internal Affairs concluded that Boehnlein, who has been with the department since 2006, should face disciplinary action for failing to follow proper procedure. In a letter sent to Daivari last week, police chief Gerald Whitman wrote that 'appropriate disciplinary action will be taken against the officer and this incident will remain in his personnel file in the event of future similar conduct.' A records clerk with the department says that specifics on what disciplinary action the officer will face have not yet been made public."

- Coeloptera

nathangdad · 09-14-2008, 10:53 PM

a city keep crime statistics down artificially before, during, and after major events. It makes everyone from the Chamber of Commerce to the local media happy. It has happened before and will happen again.

Seven© · 09-14-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coeloptera

But isn't this, if nothing else, simple assault?

- Coeloptera

Simple assault by whom? Just asking.

"Daivari, an amateur boxer"

Aren't people with training in fighting skills (boxing, martial arts, etc.) held to a higher standard? Like gun owners with CCP?

Coeloptera · 09-14-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Seven©

Aren't people with training in fighting skills (boxing, martial arts, etc.) held to a higher standard? Like gun owners with CCP?

I actually don't know the legalities of having training. Anyone have some specifics?

Granted, the guy was apparently punched in the head, so I imagine he's free to defend himself with his hands.

- Coeloptera

Seven© · 09-14-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coeloptera

Granted, the guy was apparently punched in the head, so I imagine he's free to defend himself with his hands.

I agree. As well he should be. Granted. But, how bad was the "one-sided beat down?" Did Daivari defend himself with "one good punch." Or, did he "beat the guy down." IMO, there is a difference. Maybe the cops did Daivari a favor by just "telling him to let it go and go home." Maybe he went too far "just defending himself."

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just curious. When I took the CCP class in NC, I was told in any shooting I would be held to the same level of accountability as a Police Officer. Class Instructor: "You will be viewed with the same level of responsibility as a LEO in a court room."

So, if a 98lb. drunk dude calls Chuck Liddell a fag in a bar and slaps him, it's OK for Chuck Liddell to beat him down?

Once again, I'm just asking.

wunhunglo · 09-15-2008, 05:37 AM

Neutralise the threat!

Big Dog · 09-15-2008, 06:06 AM

Down here in the South, things are simple - if you hit a guy who knows how to fight, expect to get your butt kicked. I'll leave it at that.

Rambo · 09-15-2008, 06:52 AM

Just recently here, a group of teens hurled slurs at some gay men and when that didn't get a rise out of them, they hurled bricks, hitting one. One teen is in jail and the other three are being looked at for a previous incident.
In Iowa, words are not enough to justify assault. Hitting someone is "All bet's off".

DWFan · 09-15-2008, 08:02 AM

Discrimination based on your doing what is legally required for you to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights (such as mandated classes for getting a permit) should be just as illegal as denying your 2nd Amendment rights to begin with.
If a citizen who obeys the law and trains for responsible firearms carry and use is held to a higher standard, then by logic, a criminal who illegally possesses and uses a weapon should be given a break.

jackar · 09-15-2008, 08:53 AM

I didn't read the article so don't know if the gay man was a professional boxer or just fast with his fists. I had a good friend who was professional, a cruiserweight, and I know for a fact that he took a lot of crap without retaliating, some of it physical, he said that losing his license just wasn't worth it. One thing for sure, the guy who threw the first punch will think twice before doing it again. I think he got his just rewards.

Windwalker · 09-15-2008, 09:28 AM

Just not enough information given to determine a just conclusion.

troy2000 · 09-15-2008, 09:44 AM

"Last week, an investigation by DPD Internal Affairs concluded that Boehnlein...should face disciplinary action for failing to follow proper procedure...police chief Gerald Whitman wrote that 'appropriate disciplinary action will be taken against the officer and this incident will remain in his personnel file in the event of future similar conduct'"."

I'd say that if 'appropriate disciplinary action' is being taken after an internal investigation, it's an admission by the Police Department of wrongdoing on the officer's part.

But I'd also say it's an indication this officer's attitude and behavior isn't typical of Denver or its force...

CalifgirlinOk · 09-15-2008, 09:45 AM

He had every right to defend himself in my eyes..!!

billy · 09-15-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Dog

Down here in the South, things are simple - if you hit a guy who knows how to fight, expect to get your butt kicked. I'll leave it at that.

isnt that how it is all over the world?
i dont think it's a southern thing.

wunhunglo · 09-15-2008, 10:15 AM

Right on Billy

stalebiscuit · 09-15-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Dog

Down here in the South, things are simple - if you hit a guy who knows how to fight, expect to get your butt kicked. I'll leave it at that.

not how it is anymore

or at least when i was growing up, use to be like that

but now if there was a fight they bring their "crews" (which is lame)

and/or will jump you later or make a big deal out of it with the law

i wish things were still like that

SwedeSteve · 09-15-2008, 10:57 AM

An eye for an eye !! This ensures an appropriate response. "He punched me, I punched him".

KingMusa45 · 09-15-2008, 11:22 AM

ha ha ha that guy has to live with the fact that he got served a hot hand sandwich by someone that he probably thought of as weak, feminine, and lesser then himself... he shoulda went to jail on top of it......he deserved his beat down......i think if a person lays hands on you, you have the right to manhandle his mandible....i woulda beat the guy snotless.

09-14-2008, 10:20 PM	#1
Coeloptera Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,144	Gay Attack Swept Under The Rug Gay attack swept under the shrug - The Denver Post Gay guy visits Denver with his cousin and her boyfriend. Guy on street hurls a nasty slur at gay guy, then punches gay guy in head. Gay guy has boxing training, beats crap out of bigot, headlocks him until police arrive. No arrest, no charges, attacker's name not even taken down. Now mind you, hate-crime legislation is silly, the crimes themselves have penalties already. But isn't this, if nothing else, simple assault? - Coeloptera

09-14-2008, 10:22 PM	#2
stalebiscuit Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: atlanta, but much rather be in valdosta Posts: 1,797	ya, it is assault maybe the gay dude might have been taken in as well if charges were pressed the gay guy would have to at the least give a statement and deal with a bunch of crap from it, generally from what i understand, two guys get into a fight.....they usually both go to jail __________________ honey, i forgot to duck! Last edited by stalebiscuit; 09-14-2008 at 10:25 PM.

09-14-2008, 10:53 PM	#4
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,906	Well, one avenue to consider is the desire of a city keep crime statistics down artificially before, during, and after major events. It makes everyone from the Chamber of Commerce to the local media happy. It has happened before and will happen again.

09-15-2008, 06:06 AM	#9
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,412	Down here in the South, things are simple - if you hit a guy who knows how to fight, expect to get your butt kicked. I'll leave it at that. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables. Last edited by billy; 09-15-2008 at 10:13 AM.

09-15-2008, 06:52 AM	#10
Rambo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 934	Just recently here, a group of teens hurled slurs at some gay men and when that didn't get a rise out of them, they hurled bricks, hitting one. One teen is in jail and the other three are being looked at for a previous incident. In Iowa, words are not enough to justify assault. Hitting someone is "All bet's off". __________________ If you run, you'll just die tired.

09-15-2008, 05:37 AM	#8
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 2,004	Neutralise the threat!

09-15-2008, 08:02 AM	#11
DWFan Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: N. Texas Posts: 922 Blog Entries: 2	Discrimination based on your doing what is legally required for you to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights (such as mandated classes for getting a permit) should be just as illegal as denying your 2nd Amendment rights to begin with. If a citizen who obeys the law and trains for responsible firearms carry and use is held to a higher standard, then by logic, a criminal who illegally possesses and uses a weapon should be given a break.

09-15-2008, 08:53 AM	#12
jackar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 178	I didn't read the article so don't know if the gay man was a professional boxer or just fast with his fists. I had a good friend who was professional, a cruiserweight, and I know for a fact that he took a lot of crap without retaliating, some of it physical, he said that losing his license just wasn't worth it. One thing for sure, the guy who threw the first punch will think twice before doing it again. I think he got his just rewards.

09-15-2008, 09:28 AM	#13
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,999	Just not enough information given to determine a just conclusion. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

09-15-2008, 09:44 AM	#14
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	"Last week, an investigation by DPD Internal Affairs concluded that Boehnlein...should face disciplinary action for failing to follow proper procedure...police chief Gerald Whitman wrote that 'appropriate disciplinary action will be taken against the officer and this incident will remain in his personnel file in the event of future similar conduct'"." I'd say that if 'appropriate disciplinary action' is being taken after an internal investigation, it's an admission by the Police Department of wrongdoing on the officer's part. But I'd also say it's an indication this officer's attitude and behavior isn't typical of Denver or its force... __________________ I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said. WF Buckley, Jr

09-15-2008, 09:45 AM	#15
CalifgirlinOk MY CAT RUDY ATE SANTA..!! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,577	He had every right to defend himself in my eyes..!! __________________ "Most of the troubles in the world is caused by people wanting to be important". T.S.Eliot

09-15-2008, 10:15 AM	#17
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 2,004	Right on Billy

09-15-2008, 10:57 AM	#19
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,563 Images: 1	An eye for an eye !! This ensures an appropriate response. "He punched me, I punched him". __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

09-15-2008, 11:22 AM	#20
KingMusa45 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 312	ha ha ha that guy has to live with the fact that he got served a hot hand sandwich by someone that he probably thought of as weak, feminine, and lesser then himself... he shoulda went to jail on top of it......he deserved his beat down......i think if a person lays hands on you, you have the right to manhandle his mandible....i woulda beat the guy snotless.