Can I post this here? Had to draw my weapon

KGunner · 10-09-2008, 02:24 PM

I had to draw my weapon about a week and a half ago at about 9:15 pm. Here is the story. If this doesn't belong here, I apologize and a moderator can move it to where they deem appropriate. I feel it is a story many should read. This is copy and pasted, so many things don't apply to the good folks here.

Let me start out with something here. I'm not proud of this, believe me, the last thing I wanted to happen was this. I am posting this to illustrate that you aren't exempt from the rules of anything, and bad things can happen. Another reason I'm writing this for all to see is I'm tired of seeing how negatively guns and their owners are portrayed, guns aren't bad, only some of the people who use them.

It was Tuesday night and I had just walked my dog, Patton. When I walk him at night I carry my 9mm semi-auto handgun on my hip in a holster. It is legal to open carry a firearms in a vast majority of Colorado. I got back into my room and heard yelling at my window. I have a birds eye view of the intersection of Laurel and Remington. I hear lots of stuff out my window, usually drunk college kids. I looked out, expecting to be entertained but I started hearing things like "I'm going to beat your ass" and "I'm going to kill you motherfucker." I saw two guys chasing another east down Laurel. The kid was doing nothing to provoke the two, he was backstepping to protect himself, blocking kicks. I got onto the roof (can access easily through my window) and yelled at them to knock it off, thinking it was drunk kids fighting or something. After they continued to chase the kid I went outside to the corner of Laurel and Remington to make sure this guy wasn't getting killed in the street, I live 20 yards from that corner. He apparently ran away. That is when they saw me. They yelled "You got a fucking staring problem?" I walked away back to my house, wasn't my problem, and didn't give a shit about it. They were about 40 yards away when they saw me. When I turned around, they were 10 yards away and were coming at me fast. I told them to not come onto my property several times. I warned them I was calling the police. I got to my door and opened it, both of them kept coming. I told them again to just leave the property, and that I was calling the police. This whole time they kept yelling at me, saying they were going to beat the shit out of me and kill me...yes they said they were going to kill me. I was about to go into the house when one of the guys wouldn't back off, he came onto the front porch, maybe 5 yards away at most. At that point, thinking it was two against one, and seeing how aggressive and insistent on kicking my ass and killing me they both were, I pulled out my handgun and made clear I would use it. A round was chambered, and the rounds I have loaded are Hornady hollow-point self defense rounds. They leave the barrel at 1,110 feet per second, and over 100 yards they maintain over 95% of that speed. They mushroom out and splinter so wide if I were to hit something I could put my fist through it, these rounds are meant to kill. His friend, after seeing the gun drawn, ran off. The other male stood there, and said "What are you going to do, fucking shoot me?" Seeing how it wasn't two against one anymore, and shooting him would be a bad decision, I told him to leave the property again, and that I was calling the cops. According to the laws in Colorado, I could have shot him dead and not been prosecuted, I am glad I didn't, but let this illustrate MOST gun owners are very responsible and the last thing they wish to do is drawn their gun and take a life. I turned around, closed and locked the door, and ran upstairs to get my phone to call the police. I went back downstairs and by that time (20 seconds) the kids were gone and the cops were there. I am convinced that the cops showed up as I went inside, I have little doubt if they hadn't shown up, the kid would have come inside, at which point I wouldn't have had much of any choice but to shoot him. I had no choice but to draw on him, believe me I did not want it to come to this. I made every effort to get into my house and verbally warned them several time.

I want this to be a lesson to everyone who has the "It won't happen to me" mentality. Sadly, the world and many people in it are bad. Firearm ownership shouldn't be a right for us, but instead a necessity. I feel very strongly that if more people owned firearms, were responsible, and knew how to use them effectively, crime rates would drop. If you need more reinforcement on my feelings, just look at every single state with a concealed carry law, and see their violent crime rates versus those that strip their inhabitants of the means to defend themselves.

From you all I wanted some opinions. Every one I have to this story to has been supportive and said I handled it well. Two of my close friends, girls, have all but abandoned our friendship because they don't think I should have done this. They weren't there, so I don't give a shitty diaper what they have to say about it. I do care, however, what fellow gun owners feel, since you all aren't ignorant.

CrazyIvan · 10-09-2008, 02:35 PM

Wow...quite a story. I bet that got your adrenaline going. I think what you did was proper and right. They have no right to enter your property and must leave upon your request. Failure to do so and approaching you in a threatening way definitely puts you in a position to draw. Coming on your porch and threatening you further puts you in a position to fire should he make any further move toward you.

I understand your retreat inside, but it was your property and had every right to stand your ground if you had chosen to.

My only criticism in this is that I would have carried my cell phone with me, in the least, in case you needed to dial 911 and was unable to return to your house. At most, I may have even turned on audio recording to capture the incident, or video if possible.

Ghost · 10-09-2008, 02:38 PM

Just my opinion, I don't see anything wrong with what you did. You have the right to protect yourself and your property. It sounds like the guy who asked if you were going to shoot him was on something. PCP will make some people feel invincible. I would keep my eyes open to be sure they don't come back. I definitely don't think that gun laws are in place to protect law abiding citizens. You were responsible with your weapon and used you God given common sense to not pull the trigger even though legally you may have been justified. Just watch your back, some of these cowards may try to get even with you for making them backdown. It's hurts their poor little ego.

CrazyIvan · 10-09-2008, 02:45 PM

KGunner,

I forgot to ask...

What was the officer's response or position when you told him what happened? Was he in support of your actions or did he kind of condemn you for them?

YankeeSpirit76 · 10-09-2008, 03:02 PM

Kgunner,
Nice job of keeping your cool the way you did. Most other people probably would have shot him when he started up your stairs.
I just have one question. Did you need to go out there in the first place?
It sounds like those punks didn't actually hurt anyone (unless I missed it). They were just threatening to hurt him right?
If they were beating the kid with real potential to kill or hurt him badly then yes, I would have done what you did.
But you said "he apparently ran away".
My point is, since they didn't hurt him, maybe you should have just called the cops and let them handle it. That way you never would have had the fight in the first place. I don't know. It's one of those snap decisions you have to make. I'm not saying you were wrong. Just a thought because not only did they not hurt him, but now they know where you live and could conceivable harass you .

White Rook · 10-09-2008, 03:19 PM

I think you did the right thing also. I would watch that they don't come back and try to get even. I would keep your gun close at hand at all times while you are inside and coming and going from your residence.

troy2000 · 10-09-2008, 03:19 PM

I'd say you acted very responsibly and in a restrained manner. What do the two 'friends' think you should have done differently?

Quote:

Originally Posted by YankeeSpirit76

Kgunner,
Nice job of keeping your cool the way you did. Most other people probably would have shot him when he started up your stairs.
I just have one question. Did you need to go out there in the first place?
It sounds like those punks didn't actually hurt anyone (unless I missed it). They were just threatening to hurt him right?
If they were beating the kid with real potential to kill or hurt him badly then yes, I would have done what you did.
But you said "he apparently ran away".
My point is, since they didn't hurt him, maybe you should have just called the cops and let them handle it. That way you never would have had the fight in the first place. I don't know. It's one of those snap decisions you have to make. I'm not saying you were wrong. Just a thought because not only did they not hurt him, but now they know where you live and could conceivable harass you .

I think it was proper for him to go make sure the kid wasn't getting hurt, since they were kicking at him and threatening to kill him. He didn't know until he checked that the kid had managed to get away. And it sounds like as soon as they lost their victim, they picked out another one right away, and turned all their hostility onto him instead.

SightNSqueeze · 10-09-2008, 03:30 PM

Everything you described passed the legal test for the use of deadly force. Some of us at the time that we were in law enforcement might have been held to a higher test since we would have been required to use less-than-deadly force if the person displaying threatening and aggressive conduct was known to be unarmed.

Surely, the fact that these men were just seconds earlier pursuing and openly threatening the life of another person, and now threatening and pursuing you, even as you retreated to the safety of your home, would pass the test of a normal person being justifiably in fear of losing life or limb. Therefore, it stands to reason that you would have been justified in using use of deadly force for the purpose of stopping the assault, regardless of whether the use resulted in killing or maiming the assailant.

That’s the way the police in South Carolina would have looked at this incident if it came down to a shooting incident. In the mean time, go over events as they happened in your mind and decide what things you would do or not do in similar or dissimilar incidents. Keeping a cool head and thinking these scenarios through in advance may pay off again in the future.

connormcmanus · 10-09-2008, 03:39 PM

Sounds like a couple of drunk drugged out guys looking for a fight. You did right, I think, by checking on the kid they were after, it's what a good person does. Also, you did right by giving them all the verbal warning before drawing you firearm. They were the ones dumb enough to walk up to your house after the warning. I agree wholeheartedly on the PCP thing, know a guy that was a cop and broke both a guys arms and a leg before he gave up. It's good you didn't discharge as well, I understand that in the situation you were justified, and had I been in your position, I probably would have, only due to the fact that my wife and son would have been inside, but I would watch for them to come back, if you're lucky they were to drunk/high to remember where they even were. I am interested to know what the police had to say on the situation though.

cremley · 10-09-2008, 03:44 PM

I agree with Troy. you handled the situation very well and did more than what was necessary (i.e. not shooting the loser). I personally wouldn't even talk to the girls who would have thought I did anything wrong because I don't hang out with ignorant people.

GlockMeister · 10-09-2008, 03:53 PM

WOW, what a story is right. Kgunner, I'm real glad you didn't have to use it and a;so real glad no one was injured, especially YOU!

Did you file a police report or anything?

KGunner, I know you're not proud of any of this and wish you didn't have to do this. But this is what can happen when people get involved and also why people tend to not get involved, especially in states where the laws aren't as, well let's just say, where the laws aren't as lenient towards guns and gun owners. But KGunner, please make sure the American Rifleman magazine gets your story for their "Armed Citizens" section.

YankeeSpirit76 · 10-09-2008, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy2000

I'd say you acted very responsibly and in a restrained manner. What do the two 'friends' think you should have done differently?

I think it was proper for him to go make sure the kid wasn't getting hurt, since they were kicking at him and threatening to kill him. He didn't know until he checked that the kid had managed to get away. And it sounds like as soon as they lost their victim, they picked out another one right away, and turned all their hostility onto him instead.

Good point,
I was just looking out for him as far as him possibly getting in trouble with the law.

DaTeacha · 10-09-2008, 05:12 PM

Quite a story. Good response and restraint on your part. I am personally amazed at a 20 second response time -- here it would be more like 20 mintues to an hour befoer a deputy arrives. Were the police already en route or something, or did they just happen to be in the neighborhood?

BunnyWabbit · 10-09-2008, 05:34 PM

When I went through the Conceal and Carry class a couple months ago, they specifically said, you pull your weapon, you shoot it. Don't use it to hold someone there until the law shows up or to scare someone to stop some behavior because you will be in trouble for brandishing a weapon and you could lose your CC license. Make sure when you pull it that you feel there is physical harm that will happen to you. Can be as little as a broken bone that you fear.

CrazyIvan · 10-09-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BunnyWabbit

When I went through the Conceal and Carry class a couple months ago, they specifically said, you pull your weapon, you shoot it. Don't use it to hold someone there until the law shows up or to scare someone to stop some behavior because you will be in trouble for brandishing a weapon and you could lose your CC license. Make sure when you pull it that you feel there is physical harm that will happen to you. Can be as little as a broken bone that you fear.

Sounds like a trigger happy instructor. Either that or you misunderstood, no offense.

The idea is that if you pull a gun, you must be prepared mentally and emotionally to do what you may have to do...pull the trigger. Do not pull a gun if you are not willing to pull the trigger. But, I have never heard anyone say... "if you pull a gun, pull the trigger too."

Merely brandishing a weapon to divert bodily harm is one of the many levels there are of "necessary" force. Should you feel no decrease in the threat or the offender furthers their assault upon you, then you are authorized to shoot.

Cyrano · 10-09-2008, 06:05 PM

Kgunner, you handled the situation about as well as it could be handled, given the circumstances. You have done nothing to be ashamed of, and those two idiot girls who don't want to know you anymore are completely in the wrong. Frankly, you are better off without dummies like that in your life, who can't wrap their heads around the fact that the world is a dangerous place and you have to be ready to deal with that.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-09-2008, 06:09 PM

Anytime a situation is deescalated without your weapon being fired YOU win. Even though you were within your right to shoot that POS you did the right thing by not doing so. The aftermath of legal challenges and emotional baggage is not something you want to deal with.

No matter if you were within your right, some anti gun DA looking for a some election publicity might proscecute.

texnmidwest · 10-09-2008, 06:26 PM

Kgunner, You acted responsibly and honorably. The thing that a lot of people don't understand is that close calls like that tend to affect one for a while after wards. You did well. AND I am sure the kid that you saved truly appreciates what you did for him.

TexasT · 10-09-2008, 06:41 PM

I thought you handled yourself well given the conditions. Somebody else will probably shoot those jerks down the road, be glad you didn't have to. I don't know how it is in Colorado, but in Texas they make a distinction between property and premises. You can shoot people in your house, but shooting them in your yard is different. I think you still go to court for both. Everytime you fire you gun in a self defense manner you're more than likely going to court even if you didn't do anything wrong. Doesn't mean you'll lose, but you'll probably go to court.

Mad Hatter · 10-09-2008, 06:47 PM

Kgunner, you did what you had to do and did it well !! Screw your girl friends thoughts...Would they have preffered to see you hurt or dead ? Keep up your guard, as nuts like that might come back for you...

10-09-2008, 02:24 PM	#1
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 789 Blog Entries: 10	Can I post this here? Had to draw my weapon I had to draw my weapon about a week and a half ago at about 9:15 pm. Here is the story. If this doesn't belong here, I apologize and a moderator can move it to where they deem appropriate. I feel it is a story many should read. This is copy and pasted, so many things don't apply to the good folks here. Let me start out with something here. I'm not proud of this, believe me, the last thing I wanted to happen was this. I am posting this to illustrate that you aren't exempt from the rules of anything, and bad things can happen. Another reason I'm writing this for all to see is I'm tired of seeing how negatively guns and their owners are portrayed, guns aren't bad, only some of the people who use them. It was Tuesday night and I had just walked my dog, Patton. When I walk him at night I carry my 9mm semi-auto handgun on my hip in a holster. It is legal to open carry a firearms in a vast majority of Colorado. I got back into my room and heard yelling at my window. I have a birds eye view of the intersection of Laurel and Remington. I hear lots of stuff out my window, usually drunk college kids. I looked out, expecting to be entertained but I started hearing things like "I'm going to beat your ass" and "I'm going to kill you motherfucker." I saw two guys chasing another east down Laurel. The kid was doing nothing to provoke the two, he was backstepping to protect himself, blocking kicks. I got onto the roof (can access easily through my window) and yelled at them to knock it off, thinking it was drunk kids fighting or something. After they continued to chase the kid I went outside to the corner of Laurel and Remington to make sure this guy wasn't getting killed in the street, I live 20 yards from that corner. He apparently ran away. That is when they saw me. They yelled "You got a fucking staring problem?" I walked away back to my house, wasn't my problem, and didn't give a shit about it. They were about 40 yards away when they saw me. When I turned around, they were 10 yards away and were coming at me fast. I told them to not come onto my property several times. I warned them I was calling the police. I got to my door and opened it, both of them kept coming. I told them again to just leave the property, and that I was calling the police. This whole time they kept yelling at me, saying they were going to beat the shit out of me and kill me...yes they said they were going to kill me. I was about to go into the house when one of the guys wouldn't back off, he came onto the front porch, maybe 5 yards away at most. At that point, thinking it was two against one, and seeing how aggressive and insistent on kicking my ass and killing me they both were, I pulled out my handgun and made clear I would use it. A round was chambered, and the rounds I have loaded are Hornady hollow-point self defense rounds. They leave the barrel at 1,110 feet per second, and over 100 yards they maintain over 95% of that speed. They mushroom out and splinter so wide if I were to hit something I could put my fist through it, these rounds are meant to kill. His friend, after seeing the gun drawn, ran off. The other male stood there, and said "What are you going to do, fucking shoot me?" Seeing how it wasn't two against one anymore, and shooting him would be a bad decision, I told him to leave the property again, and that I was calling the cops. According to the laws in Colorado, I could have shot him dead and not been prosecuted, I am glad I didn't, but let this illustrate MOST gun owners are very responsible and the last thing they wish to do is drawn their gun and take a life. I turned around, closed and locked the door, and ran upstairs to get my phone to call the police. I went back downstairs and by that time (20 seconds) the kids were gone and the cops were there. I am convinced that the cops showed up as I went inside, I have little doubt if they hadn't shown up, the kid would have come inside, at which point I wouldn't have had much of any choice but to shoot him. I had no choice but to draw on him, believe me I did not want it to come to this. I made every effort to get into my house and verbally warned them several time. I want this to be a lesson to everyone who has the "It won't happen to me" mentality. Sadly, the world and many people in it are bad. Firearm ownership shouldn't be a right for us, but instead a necessity. I feel very strongly that if more people owned firearms, were responsible, and knew how to use them effectively, crime rates would drop. If you need more reinforcement on my feelings, just look at every single state with a concealed carry law, and see their violent crime rates versus those that strip their inhabitants of the means to defend themselves. From you all I wanted some opinions. Every one I have to this story to has been supportive and said I handled it well. Two of my close friends, girls, have all but abandoned our friendship because they don't think I should have done this. They weren't there, so I don't give a shitty diaper what they have to say about it. I do care, however, what fellow gun owners feel, since you all aren't ignorant. __________________ If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they'd probably rather be dead.

10-09-2008, 02:35 PM	#2
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 3,413 Blog Entries: 1	Wow...quite a story. I bet that got your adrenaline going. I think what you did was proper and right. They have no right to enter your property and must leave upon your request. Failure to do so and approaching you in a threatening way definitely puts you in a position to draw. Coming on your porch and threatening you further puts you in a position to fire should he make any further move toward you. I understand your retreat inside, but it was your property and had every right to stand your ground if you had chosen to. My only criticism in this is that I would have carried my cell phone with me, in the least, in case you needed to dial 911 and was unable to return to your house. At most, I may have even turned on audio recording to capture the incident, or video if possible. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

10-09-2008, 02:38 PM	#3
Ghost Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 167	Just my opinion, I don't see anything wrong with what you did. You have the right to protect yourself and your property. It sounds like the guy who asked if you were going to shoot him was on something. PCP will make some people feel invincible. I would keep my eyes open to be sure they don't come back. I definitely don't think that gun laws are in place to protect law abiding citizens. You were responsible with your weapon and used you God given common sense to not pull the trigger even though legally you may have been justified. Just watch your back, some of these cowards may try to get even with you for making them backdown. It's hurts their poor little ego. __________________ "Not all who wander are lost" J.R.R. Tolkien

10-09-2008, 02:45 PM	#4
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 3,413 Blog Entries: 1	KGunner, I forgot to ask... What was the officer's response or position when you told him what happened? Was he in support of your actions or did he kind of condemn you for them? __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

10-09-2008, 03:44 PM	#10
cremley Young Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern New Mexico Posts: 2,631	I agree with Troy. you handled the situation very well and did more than what was necessary (i.e. not shooting the loser). I personally wouldn't even talk to the girls who would have thought I did anything wrong because I don't hang out with ignorant people. __________________ I wouldn't be so paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get me. NRA MEMBER

10-09-2008, 03:02 PM	#5
YankeeSpirit76 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 665	Kgunner, Nice job of keeping your cool the way you did. Most other people probably would have shot him when he started up your stairs. I just have one question. Did you need to go out there in the first place? It sounds like those punks didn't actually hurt anyone (unless I missed it). They were just threatening to hurt him right? If they were beating the kid with real potential to kill or hurt him badly then yes, I would have done what you did. But you said "he apparently ran away". My point is, since they didn't hurt him, maybe you should have just called the cops and let them handle it. That way you never would have had the fight in the first place. I don't know. It's one of those snap decisions you have to make. I'm not saying you were wrong. Just a thought because not only did they not hurt him, but now they know where you live and could conceivable harass you .

10-09-2008, 03:19 PM	#6
White Rook Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: South West Ohio Posts: 2,061	I think you did the right thing also. I would watch that they don't come back and try to get even. I would keep your gun close at hand at all times while you are inside and coming and going from your residence.

10-09-2008, 03:30 PM	#8
SightNSqueeze Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Intercoastal Sea Islands, SC, USA Posts: 2,719	Everything you described passed the legal test for the use of deadly force. Some of us at the time that we were in law enforcement might have been held to a higher test since we would have been required to use less-than-deadly force if the person displaying threatening and aggressive conduct was known to be unarmed. Surely, the fact that these men were just seconds earlier pursuing and openly threatening the life of another person, and now threatening and pursuing you, even as you retreated to the safety of your home, would pass the test of a normal person being justifiably in fear of losing life or limb. Therefore, it stands to reason that you would have been justified in using use of deadly force for the purpose of stopping the assault, regardless of whether the use resulted in killing or maiming the assailant. That’s the way the police in South Carolina would have looked at this incident if it came down to a shooting incident. In the mean time, go over events as they happened in your mind and decide what things you would do or not do in similar or dissimilar incidents. Keeping a cool head and thinking these scenarios through in advance may pay off again in the future.

10-09-2008, 03:39 PM	#9
connormcmanus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Winder, GA Posts: 235	Sounds like a couple of drunk drugged out guys looking for a fight. You did right, I think, by checking on the kid they were after, it's what a good person does. Also, you did right by giving them all the verbal warning before drawing you firearm. They were the ones dumb enough to walk up to your house after the warning. I agree wholeheartedly on the PCP thing, know a guy that was a cop and broke both a guys arms and a leg before he gave up. It's good you didn't discharge as well, I understand that in the situation you were justified, and had I been in your position, I probably would have, only due to the fact that my wife and son would have been inside, but I would watch for them to come back, if you're lucky they were to drunk/high to remember where they even were. I am interested to know what the police had to say on the situation though.

10-09-2008, 03:53 PM	#11
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,578	WOW, what a story is right. Kgunner, I'm real glad you didn't have to use it and a;so real glad no one was injured, especially YOU! Did you file a police report or anything? KGunner, I know you're not proud of any of this and wish you didn't have to do this. But this is what can happen when people get involved and also why people tend to not get involved, especially in states where the laws aren't as, well let's just say, where the laws aren't as lenient towards guns and gun owners. But KGunner, please make sure the American Rifleman magazine gets your story for their "Armed Citizens" section. __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

10-09-2008, 05:12 PM	#13
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,862	Quite a story. Good response and restraint on your part. I am personally amazed at a 20 second response time -- here it would be more like 20 mintues to an hour befoer a deputy arrives. Were the police already en route or something, or did they just happen to be in the neighborhood? __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

10-09-2008, 05:34 PM	#14
BunnyWabbit Go Jayhawks! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jayhawk Country Posts: 5,314	When I went through the Conceal and Carry class a couple months ago, they specifically said, you pull your weapon, you shoot it. Don't use it to hold someone there until the law shows up or to scare someone to stop some behavior because you will be in trouble for brandishing a weapon and you could lose your CC license. Make sure when you pull it that you feel there is physical harm that will happen to you. Can be as little as a broken bone that you fear.

10-09-2008, 06:05 PM	#16
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 6,743	Kgunner, you handled the situation about as well as it could be handled, given the circumstances. You have done nothing to be ashamed of, and those two idiot girls who don't want to know you anymore are completely in the wrong. Frankly, you are better off without dummies like that in your life, who can't wrap their heads around the fact that the world is a dangerous place and you have to be ready to deal with that.

10-09-2008, 06:09 PM	#17
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,461 Blog Entries: 6	Anytime a situation is deescalated without your weapon being fired YOU win. Even though you were within your right to shoot that POS you did the right thing by not doing so. The aftermath of legal challenges and emotional baggage is not something you want to deal with. No matter if you were within your right, some anti gun DA looking for a some election publicity might proscecute. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

10-09-2008, 06:26 PM	#18
texnmidwest Some People's kids.... Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 6,895	Kgunner, You acted responsibly and honorably. The thing that a lot of people don't understand is that close calls like that tend to affect one for a while after wards. You did well. AND I am sure the kid that you saved truly appreciates what you did for him. __________________ never pass up a bathroom, never waste a ** , and never trust a fart.

10-09-2008, 06:41 PM	#19
TexasT Stop the insanity Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Somewhere. Posts: 7,179 Blog Entries: 18	I thought you handled yourself well given the conditions. Somebody else will probably shoot those jerks down the road, be glad you didn't have to. I don't know how it is in Colorado, but in Texas they make a distinction between property and premises. You can shoot people in your house, but shooting them in your yard is different. I think you still go to court for both. Everytime you fire you gun in a self defense manner you're more than likely going to court even if you didn't do anything wrong. Doesn't mean you'll lose, but you'll probably go to court. __________________ I'm so evolved. I'm so involved. I'm showing growth. I'm so in charge. I'm CEO, and yeah, going GOD.

10-09-2008, 06:47 PM	#20
Mad Hatter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 780	Kgunner, you did what you had to do and did it well !! Screw your girl friends thoughts...Would they have preffered to see you hurt or dead ? Keep up your guard, as nuts like that might come back for you...