Better question, will this shut down indoor ranges, and make us hunt with pure brass or steel?
Easy end-run on that is to load your magazine with Barnes TSX. I use Hornady, but if this comes into effect, I'll have Barnes in the magazine while walking to/from my stand. That way, if the enviro-cop stops me, he'll see that I am in full compliance.
It's all about an end run around to interfere with our right to bear arms. If they can't get the guns, they'll get the ammo.
I mean seriously, how long has the contents in ammo as they are, been being used? Take lead. Used since the invention of the gun right? What are the ill effects from using it? I haven't seen any species eliminated from the use of it? I haven't seen any species deformed from the use of it?
From the many years lead has been used, just exactly what are the ill effects from it? I'm seriously asking because I'd like to know?
As far as indoor ranges, they all have to have a pretty expensive filtration system as well as pay out the wazooo to the EPA for whatever is required to run one. Who but the ones who use an indoor range would be or are affected by it anyhow?
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I don't see this having any effect on us. Indoor ranges already have the filtration system in place. Lead prices, along with brass will drop after the wars are over, just like they have done in previous years.
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Most of the hubbub was from tetraethyl lead (TEL) which was used as an octane enhancer/valve seal lubricant in gasoline until the end of the 70's. Ranges (although having some airborne lead) would contribute very little to a city's overall air quality--the atmosphere's just too big and there's just too much air for a few ranges citywide to have any effect. Lead metal from the bullets itself isn't a very great threat; vaporized/powdered lead more so, and lead compounds--again not very much created during shooting but around in other chemicals--are the most toxic.
However, I can see a similar tactic used by gun grabbers to attempt to regulate ranges and lead ammo out of existence (despite no evidence of any significant lead contamination). They're already trying this with lead metal (which is very stable in metallic form) in CA under the guise of "environmentalism." The lead itself poses no threat; the idea is just to control ammo as a backdoor form of gun control. I do see a barack hussein administration using the EPA to push a gun grabbing political agenda--potentially trying to declare lead bullets as hazmat (as well as using the EPA once again under false premises to force other agendas irregardless of actually protecting anything environmental). Look at CO2--this isn't a pollutant, but could be used for further regulation and taxes under political agendas.
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Everyone take a DEEP lead contaminated breath !! You guys are WAY out there !!! If you really think this is a forseen tactic, then you need to adjust your aluminum hat !!
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Everyone take a DEEP lead contaminated breath !! You guys are WAY out there !!! If you really think this is a forseen tactic, then you need to adjust your aluminum hat !!
Lead ammo bans are already happening in Kali as a backdoor form of gun control.
Sorry, the threat's real.......yes we can use copper bullets too. Don't think this is a part of it, but I'd certainly see EPA/DNR/DEP or whatever targeting ammo by the antis if they get a foothold. OSHA was considering the same thing as well a while back.
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dont give it a second thought. experiment and use what works best for you.
i know a lot of you didnt like our military's change from the .45 to the 9mm.
well let me tell you my experience shooting military competitive matches as well as personal defense.
my friend worked as handgun instructor for thhe higway patrol. when they switched to the beretta 92 9mm about the same time as did the army, i asked him what he thought of it. he replied that his troopers were having to shoot perps several times to stop them. further inquiry into the situation discovered that his state's policy prevented them from using bullets with adequate knock down ability. subsonic ball ammo only. he said that high velocity hollow point ammo was concidered as inhumane by the state beccause they did excessive damage to the perps and didnt look good to the public. then again to much speed meant over penetration and posed a threat to going through the intended perp and hitting innocent bystanders. GO FIGURE! cant blame the efficiency of the gun if you are restricting its ammo.
9mm doesnt have the knock down of the 45 with similar bullet designs, i agree, but the army's reasoning behind the switch was higher magazine capacity, lighter load on troops, less recoil enabling better engagement of target percentages, and ease of field stripping.
i found it to be just as accurate in competition, and not as lethal in defense, but only because of the army's restriction to ball ammo. my personal beretta 92 is loaded with high velocity hollow points (corbons), which have proven to be good stoppers.
maybe we missed the point. when the EPA changes the airborne lead levels (Outdoors) by an order of magnitude, what impact will we see on lead supplies? Will there be less smelting for raw material, less manufacturing due to cost of scrubbers, etc.
There will be an overall negative impact on the cost of producing lead shot and bullets containing lead. This must be passed onto the consumer, so what's the plan to minimize this impact on your shooting hobby?
^ I don't think so, as far as lead metal suppliers. I think this will have little impact overall on price in the U.S.--it is difficult to generate high atmospheric lead concentrations on a continual level in most cities anyway, at least from metal production. If this becomes a problem at the individual sites, we'll just close the plants and ship the jobs overseas and import it like everything else the environwackos have fostered with their overregulation. Same as with the steel industry--we can still get steel just fine, we just buy it from overseas and send our dollars there (once again due to preditory union action, shortsightedness, and overregulation). Doesn't even really cost us that much more.
Like I said, though, I do see it as a vehicle for a backdoor gun control attempt.
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One thing you might not know is that there is lead in primers as well. This could be an angle too. Like I said in my post I cast my own and I can find lead substitutes for bullets. What I cant find at this time is a substitute for primers, at least not in anything other than a flintlock.
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^ I don't think so, as far as lead metal suppliers. I think this will have little impact overall on price in the U.S.--it is difficult to generate high atmospheric lead concentrations on a continual level in most cities anyway, at least from metal production. If this becomes a problem at the individual sites, we'll just close the plants and ship the jobs overseas and import it like everything else the environwackos have fostered with their overregulation. Same as with the steel industry--we can still get steel just fine, we just buy it from overseas and send our dollars there (once again due to preditory union action, shortsightedness, and overregulation). Doesn't even really cost us that much more.
Like I said, though, I do see it as a vehicle for a backdoor gun control attempt.
China won't stop buying up the lead now, so I don't see any production let down.
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Have this been used successfully to cast bullets? any special techniques to use?
Yes it has. It just melts at a higher temp than pure lead. Wheelweights are alloyed all the time with leadfree solder. Just avoid the kind with zinc in it. It isn't as cheap as lead or WW's but it will work.
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