[240 Coastal]

toolman,

Why does Reed's state "Use on in Steel Makarovs, Do not use in alloy framed pistols." This note is obviously aimed at the FEG PA-63. This is a 95 grain round which is what the PA-63 was designed to use so I don't understand the note.

Tom

[DocV]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 240 Coastal

toolman, Why does Reed's state "Use on in Steel Makarovs, Do not use in alloy framed pistols." This note is obviously aimed at the FEG PA-63. This is a 95 grain round which is what the PA-63 was designed to use so I don't understand the note. Tom

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the powder charge behind the round and the chamber pressures it causes may be a bigger factor than bullet weight.

DocV

[weirdjack]

If I were custom loading hot-loaded ammo for sale, I'd put a cover-my-butt disclaimer on it also.

[toolman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 240 Coastal

toolman, Why does Reed's state "Use on in Steel Makarovs, Do not use in alloy framed pistols." This note is obviously aimed at the FEG PA-63. This is a 95 grain round which is what the PA-63 was designed to use so I don't understand the note. Tom

I don't know, you'd have to contact Ron about that. I've never noticed the disclaimer(didn't read far enough ), but I don't blame him for covering his butt given todays sue-happy climate. While I wouldn't want to run hot-rod loads through my PA-63 on a regular basis, I'd still rather have this ammo in it when carrying and I probably will when I get my CCW.

[MOCKBA]

I've got a feeling that Cor Bon is going to be the best choice. I dont know if you can find it in 9mm M but I know it works well with my PMK 380.

[240 Coastal]

toolman,

I don't consider this round to be a hot-rod load, it's a 95 grain which is relatively tame when compared to the +P or 105 grain loads out there in 9x18.

Anyone planning on purchasing some and trying it out? I would but infortunately I live in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts (sigh) and it can't be shipped to me.

Looks like a good round and it should feed more like a traditional FMJ round instead of a JHP.

My PA-63 is my everyday carry, I've yet to find a better handgun for everyday carry. I do carry with FMJ instead of JHP because I have COMPLETE confidence in THIS round in THIS gun. The Hornady XTP does say it allows for better penetration prior to expantion which is very desireable, I wonder if it would feed as well as the FMJ.

Tom

[DocV]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 240 Coastal

I don't consider this round to be a hot-rod load, it's a 95 grain which is relatively tame when compared to the +P or 105 grain loads out there in 9x18.

95 gr and 105 gr is the weight of the bullet not the amount of powder in the round. From what I have seen 3-6 grains is the typical powder charge depending on the brand of powder. The velocities cited in most reloading data for a 90-100 grain bullets run in the 800-900+FPS range. The hotter loadings produce velocities in the 1000+ FPS range and you start to approach the maximum SAAMI pressure ratings. Reed's advertised velocity is 1047 FPS so I'm willing to bet that it starting to get up there.

Do I think it will blow a FEG up? No, but I think a steady diet of it will cause premature wear.

9x18 Makarov Load Data - Handloads.Com=

[eygunsmith]

The reason that he didn't recommend the Hornady XTP rounds in the aluminum framed PA63 is this. The large angular trunicated cone nose profile on the XTP bullet will ruin the frame part of the feed ramp. Since the pa63 is a basic desendant from the walther pp pistol. The barrel is pressed into the frame and then pinned. Then the feed ramp section of the barrel is shaped to fit the feed ramp portion of the frame. On an all steel frame 9x18mm pistol where the feed ramp (frame/barrel) is all steel the sharp angular hollowpoint of the XTP will do no dammage. The jacket material on an XTP hollowpoint is very thick and stiff compared to any other hollowpoint of similar shape, like a sierra hp for example. The xtp bullet was intentionally designed not to expand rapidly so as to penitrate deeper. Using this design of a bullet on an aluminum framed pistol where the main part of the feed ramp is the soft, (compared to steel) easily damaged metal is not conductive to a long pistol lifespan. More rounded nosed hollow points will greatly extend the lifespan of an aluminum feed ramp verses a chiseled angular hard and large cavity hollow point. That is why he didn't recomend them for pistols with aluminum frames. As a gunsmith myself I would recomend the same. I have personally seen the damage that can be done to an aluminum frame in the feed ramp area by useing sharp trunicated cone hps on an alloy framed 1911a1. The damage was almost impossible to repair, it was to the point that frame replacement or adding a steel feed ramp section to the frame was the only alternatives. So if you want to use hollowpoints in your pa63, please for your pistols sake use hollowpoints with a rounded nose\edge profile.
Eric

[MLN1963]

Quote:       Originally Posted by CzechPistol

I've been runnin MFS +P thru my PA-63 for a while not without a single problem.

I've never heard of MFS ammo. What is it and where can you buy it?

[MLN1963]

Quote:       Originally Posted by eygunsmith

So if you want to use hollowpoints in your pa63, please for your pistols sake use hollowpoints with a rounded nose\edge profile. Eric

Eric

I assume the Silver Bear HP are acceptable for use in a PA-63? They have a very round profile. Almost like drilling a hole in the end of a FMJ. Silver Bear HP is probably not the best performing HP out there, but I'd rather carry it than FMJ, even if it is just for psychological effect.

[letsroll]

Quote:       Originally Posted by MLN1963

I've never heard of MFS ammo. What is it and where can you buy it?

x2. inquiring minds want to know!

[rondog]

I've got some Eastern Bloc surplus 9x18 ammo that's all copper washed looking, very military or police issue appearance, plain round-nosed ball FMJ. If I were to carry my PA-63, I think that's what I'd carry in it. I'd want the ddepest pentration possible, I'm not too concerned with overpenetration in this caliber.

But, I carry a compact 1911 in .45. Loaded with FMJ ball at the moment.

[gaelic_1]

since my PA63 fires 380ACP (9x17mm) without any hitches - when I want protection foremost, I load the entire mag with Federal Hydrashock FMJ HPs - have test fired this an not experienced any problems. copper jacketed HPs with brass cases.

[Lock'dnLoad'd]

Quote:       Originally Posted by gaelic_1

since my PA63 fires 380ACP (9x17mm) without any hitches - when I want protection foremost, I load the entire mag with Federal Hydrashock FMJ HPs - have test fired this an not experienced any problems. copper jacketed HPs with brass cases.

I'd bet a paycheck that if you went back to a 9x18 after firing a few 9x17's your going to jet a jammed cartridge. And, if you keep shooting 9x17's you'll get one two, maybe even need a gunsmith to get it out. Hopefully you'll get a few FTE's before that happens.

Your probably also loosing a lot of performance with that short bullet too. Leaving a lot of bullet behind in the chamber for a jam.

But hey, who am I to tell someone that they are just plain f***ing up there pistol.