If you were going to bet a Beretta Storm just for general use (plinking, SHTF) which would you get? Why?
I've always been a huge fan of the .45, but I'm leaning towards the .40 in a carbine. Does anybody have a link comparing the ballistics of .40 vs. .45 out of a 16" barrel?
I have .40 and .45 pistols, so cross use of the caliber is a wash although my current favorite CCW pistol is a .40.
That's a tough one. They're both a great round. .40S&W is a tad cheaper. The .45acp has a tad more energy. Honestly, either one in my book would be a great choice. I'm looking at the .40S&W. for myself to be honest and I did not know it was even available in .45 in the CX4?
So I voted for .40S&W. I could only find ballistics for a 4 inch barrel on the .40S&W and a 5 inch barrel for the .45acp. Here it is if you want to look at it? http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...=IMO%2FWrapper
Hope you get it in either one. I'm waiting to see who gets elected before I buy anything and saving up in the meantime. I may not have to rush to getting any of them but then if I have to for fear of a ban, I may get something that I know will be on the hit list of things to go. Like an AR, an AK and the wide selection of C&R's out there available. But then the CX4 is on that list as well due to it's mag capacity?
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But then the CX4 is on that list as well due to it's mag capacity?
That's what I'm thinking. 10 round mag and over will probably be banned. I'm finding an admiration for pistol caliber carbines. Not long range, but damn fast to handle.
Thank you very much Seven, it is much appreciated.
Another thing I like about the CX4 is it takes the same mags as the model 92's in the 9mm model and the .40S&W model interchanges with the model 96's. What kind of prices are they getting for the Storm where you are? Or are you planning on buying it online?
They're getting about $650 around me. I've seen them online for like in between $550 and $750. The MSRP is $825. But I'm sure you knew that? lol
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Hey Seven, meant to ask you. Do you plan/are you going to scope it if, no, lol, when you get one? If so, what kind of scope, brand and reticle? Might you go with a red dot or what?
If, no, when I get one, lol, I'll be putting a red dot on it. One of these two as a matter of fact.
What kind of prices are they getting for the Storm where you are?
They're getting about $650 around me.
The local guys I always buy from quoted me $656.98 total for a .40.
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Hey Seven, meant to ask you. Do you plan/are you going to scope it if, no, lol, when you get one? If so, what kind of scope, brand and reticle? Might you go with a red dot or what?
The local guys I always buy from quoted me $656.98 total for a .40.
Is that out the door and with tax and all Seven? I called one of the FFL's I go through and she quoted me $764.00 out the door and that's for either, the .40S$W or the .45acp. And as I said in a previous post, the MSRP on both is $825.00 But my FFL told me her cost is $674.00 then $25.00 for shipping and then she gets $65.00 for her trouble. She said the tax she'd eat out of her $65.00.
I'll call around and see if anyone can beat that price before I decide and also wait to see who gets the nod after the 4th?
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$656.98 out the door. Tax and all. NC has lower prices from the national average for some reason, and I have put a two of my dealers kids through college. I get some good prices. YMMV.
And as I said in a previous post, the MSRP on both is $825.00 But my FFL told me her cost is $674.00 then $25.00 for shipping and then she gets $65.00 for her trouble. She said the tax she'd eat out of her $65.00.
One of the of the weird things I've found in life is Beretta/Stoeger dealers. They are all over with their pricing.
SevenŠ: Sir; you have asked a most difficult question in your comparisons with a 16" barrel.
I looked at all the references that I have; and ????? nothing
Knee jerk will say .40; in a time of absolute need .45 cause of the abundance of local ammo.
For all around without the first thought .40
Pleasure plinking .40 or .45 ..
Sorry to be less help.
Glockmiester Sir; good to see you winding back up again
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And FWIW Seven, since the price I got quoted was for either caliber, I may just go with .45acp for myself. Reason being, because of just how popular and successful the .45acp was in the Thompson. I'm seeing the CX4 Storm as the modern day Tommy gun? lol
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GM. my local ffl dlr. charges $10.00 to have an online gun shipped to him and there are several others in the area that do also. You might want to check your area to see if you can beat that $65.00 charge.
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If you were going to bet a Beretta Storm just for general use (plinking, SHTF) which would you get? Why?
I've always been a huge fan of the .45, but I'm leaning towards the .40 in a carbine. Does anybody have a link comparing the ballistics of .40 vs. .45 out of a 16" barrel?
I have .40 and .45 pistols, so cross use of the caliber is a wash although my current favorite CCW pistol is a .40.
The .45 was designed to operate from a 5" barrel. Many loads start coasting before leaving the barrel,causeing less spped than from a shorter barrel,unless you used +p's,etc.
.40 will have a significant increase of speed from the 16" barrel,much like the 9mm.
Perhaps that is the reason more carbines are not chambered for the .45.
I'd go with the .45 ACP round mainly for its universal availability. But to be honest, I'd much rather have it in a Hi-Point Model 4595 in a Beretta Storm-clone stock. As it is, if the empty suit wins the election (God forbid!) there is a Model 995 with a laser, Storm-clone stock and muzzle brake at the local gun ship for $400, and I will be buying that unless someone gets to it first.
.40 will have a significant increase of speed from the 16" barrel,much like the 9mm.
That's what I think also.
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As it is, if the empty suit wins the election (God forbid!) there is a Model 995 with a laser, Storm-clone stock and muzzle brake at the local gun ship for $400, and I will be buying that unless someone gets to it first.
The .45 was designed to operate from a 5" barrel. Many loads start coasting before leaving the barrel, causing less speed than from a shorter barrel, unless you used +p's, etc... .40 will have a significant increase of speed from the 16" barrel,much like the 9mm.
Perhaps that is the reason more carbines are not chambered for the .45.
There's something I didn't consider or factor in. Thanks for the heads up.
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Originally Posted by Rave .40 will have a significant increase of speed from the 16" barrel,much like the 9mm.
[quote=Seven] That's what I think also. [quote]
Seven, did you ever find any ballistics for either round for a 16" barrel?
And Seven, FWIW, I do apologize for using your thread. I just see no reason to start another one about the same exact thing. And as I said, I was looking at this a while back, but other things came up and it fell by the way side and forgot about it.
So I DO APOLOGIZE for I'll say, "borrowing", your thread.
I had to add this as I got to thinking. If the .45acp coasts as it was put because of the barrel length, why and how then did the Thompson (Tommy Gun) work so well? Without knowing off the top of my head and not yet searching the internet for the answer, what length was/is the barrel on a Thompson (Tommy Gun)?
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Seven, did you ever find any ballistics for either round for a 16" barrel?
Never have. But like Rave said, I feel you're gonna get more "rifle-like" results with the .40. But, I am a big .45 fan. But, most of my cop buddies have stockpiled .40. But, I have a couple .45's. But, my favorite carry gun is a .40. JEEZE!
My decision to go with the .40 is simply what Rave said. Period. But, I may change my mind when I walk in to order it.
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So I DO APOLOGIZE for I'll say, "borrowing", your thread.
Absolutely no need to apologize! The more it's talked about, the more we both benefit.
Won't swear to it,but I seem to recall the original length of the Thompson was 10 1/2",the same as the Uzi SMG.
In that length there is a bit of an increase in speed,probably 100 to 150 fps.
The 9mm was designed for a 10"-14" barrel,hot European loads,hotter than our standard loads.In the 16" barrel it can pick up as much as 300fps,almost like a 357 mag. with out all the blast and flash,very little of eather in the 16" barrel.
One reason why I like them so much.
.40 x .45 and 16" 
