Is the city of Cleveland, Ohio, still trying to enforce local gun laws that have been negated by statewide firearms pre-emption? It certainly looks that way.
If that's the case, then why is the city of Cleveland trying to prosecute gun owner Damon Wells for "possession of an unregistered handgun"? The group Buckeye Firearms Association knows all about that case. It makes you wonder why the Cleveland Plain-Dealer seems to know nothing at all about it. If there is no longer a requirement to register your guns with the city, how can the city be prosecuting someone for failing to register their firearm?
I think the Plain-Dealer owes its readers the plain truth in another story.
all i can say is registration + legislation = confiscation
ast the people that voluntarily registered there guns in Germany in 1935
"This year will go down in history. Fore the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration.
,our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,and the world ill follow our lead into the future!!!!"
Adoulf Hitler -1935
4 years latter in 1939 they had all there guns confiscated
Thats what happened here, automatic criminals.
The registry here was origanally supposed to cost 1 million its now over 1 billion.
To this date it has not saved a single life.
all i can say is registration + legislation = confiscation
ast the people that voluntarily registered there guns in Germany in 1935
"This year will go down in history. Fore the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration.
,our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,and the world ill follow our lead into the future!!!!"
Adoulf Hitler -1935
4 years latter in 1939 they had all there guns confiscated
I don't want to register my guns--or yours. But you do realize that's a bogus quote from Hitler, don't you?
Bogus Anti-Gun Quotes
While the above 'quote' makes a nice T-shirt, there are numerous problems with this alleged statement. (1) It violates the rule of not beginning a sentence with a number. (2) It isn’t phrased in Hitler’s style. (3) Major changes to the German gun laws occurred in 1928 and 1931 (under the Weimar Republic) and in 1938 (under the Nazi’s). No significant changes happened in the gun registration laws in 1935. Furthermore, the changes in 1928 and 1931 were designed to disarm the Nazis and Communists and therefore it is doubtful that Hitler would trumpet the success of any law aimed at his goon squads.
In Britain the registration came a few years before the confiscations begun!
When it became compulsory to register any semi-auto or pump action shotguns, conservative estimates say that up to 4 million of this type of shotgun "Disappeared" overnight. I'm sure the same will happen in the States as your laws get more & more stringent.
I don't want to register my guns--or yours. But you do realize that's a bogus quote from Hitler, don't you?
Bogus Anti-Gun Quotes
While the above 'quote' makes a nice T-shirt, there are numerous problems with this alleged statement. (1) It violates the rule of not beginning a sentence with a number. (2) It isn’t phrased in Hitler’s style. (3) Major changes to the German gun laws occurred in 1928 and 1931 (under the Weimar Republic) and in 1938 (under the Nazi’s). No significant changes happened in the gun registration laws in 1935. Furthermore, the changes in 1928 and 1931 were designed to disarm the Nazis and Communists and therefore it is doubtful that Hitler would trumpet the success of any law aimed at his goon squads.
This one isn't bogus:
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler
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Unfortunately, there's a de-facto registration in existence today via the 4473's. What obama and pals will likely try to do if they attempt a gun grab is require all FFL's to send copies (so's they can't claim they were lost in the mail) of these into warshington and use them as a starting point. Yes, some people will have moved or sold their firearms in private transactions, but through the magic of the internet and information his henchmen would be able to find many gun owners.
They'll also likely require states to send in lists of CCW holders before any of this happens. Since CCW holders have a high probability of having firearms, I suspect it'll not be hard to convince a Federal obamajudge to issue search warrants for these individuals (after gun-ban laws are passed).
LEO's will have draconian carry restrictions and rules placed upon them (I believe these exist in some states already).
I really hope it doesn't come to this.
BTW, thanks Larry !
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It will probably come down to that Glockmeister. It's small incremental steps until it's mandatory. You don't have to follow unconstitutional, illegal laws. The people making them are the ones breaking the law. They have lost their moral authority to govern and need to be replaced. Vote the bums out.
no changes a cured in 1935 1935 was the year that the last gun was register tho if yo you do the recertsh you know that is right and if you look at the link on the post inless you a party member you were not aloud to have a gun http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.co...tist/id14.html
yah and the poersin that dus the sight you refer to tex ovisly dos not look into stuff beaus he adds this
Quote:
However, if anyone finds the proper historical context from which this questionable quote was pulled from, and confirms it with their own eyes, please forward the details and your contact information HERE!
I do have a book here from a Nazis during ww2 that speaks of the night the SS and SA went out and took the suns of all non party members
It will probably come down to that Glockmeister. It's small incremental steps until it's mandatory. You don't have to follow unconstitutional, illegal laws. The people making them are the ones breaking the law. They have lost their moral authority to govern and need to be replaced. Vote the bums out.
Proving them unconstitutional and getting those other then gun owners to believe they are or it indeed is unconstitutional is where in the problem lies...
I guess an area I have question/s with is this. Generally the one you buy from, whether that be through a private sale or an FFL dealer, it's generally only them who knows what you bought. So if and when it comes down to having to register, how will they know you registered everything? They're NOT suppose to keep track or lists of who has what.
You can't say, in Illinois anyhow, that you SOLD IT or THEM. Because then they'll ask for the record of the transaction which by Illinois law you have to keep such record for 10yrs.. So saying you sold this one or that one or a few won't work. You'll either get caught lying or have to show proof of said sale and then if you sold it and didn't keep record of it, you'll get in trouble for that.
But as far as I know, the only ones that know who has what or what you bought, is who you bought it from or TOLD! Which I'd add is reason enough to NOT advertise as to what you have. JMHO anyhow.
But like D-dub said, when every criminal and illegal immigrant registers there's, we'll gladly register ours...
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Last edited by GlockMeister; 11-02-2008 at 06:59 PM.
This one isn't bogus:
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler
I don't know whether that quote is genuine or not. I spent a good chunk of time on the internet trying to track it down, and the best I can say it that it's unverified.
But even if it's real, it's irrelevant. It's talking about Germany keeping the 'subject races' of conquered countries under its control, not about a country disarming its own citizens.
It makes about as much sense as judging what Bush wants to do in America by looking at what he's doing in Iraq.
I don't know whether that quote is genuine or not. I spent a good chunk of time on the internet trying to track it down, and the best I can say it that it's unverified.
But even if it's real, it's irrelevant. It's talking about Germany keeping the 'subject races' of conquered countries under its control, not about a country disarming its own citizens.
It makes about as much sense as judging what Bush wants to do in America by looking at what he's doing in Iraq.
Here it is :
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.
Troy... this time I included the reference location. Sorry I didn't attach it in the earlier post.
Here are a few more to chew on :
"If it were up to me, I would tell Mr. and Mrs. America to turn them in - turn them all in."
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), discussing the passage of the assault weapons ban that she authored, candidly admitted that the only reason she does not seek a ban and confiscation of all guns is that it is not yet politically feasible. Interview by Lesley Stahl with United States Senator Dianne Feinstein, on 60 Minutes (CBS television broadcast, Feb. 24, 1995) link
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, "Politics"
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the governor, November 11, 1755
"No freeman shall [ever] be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]" --Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), proposed Virginia Constitution, June 1776, in Thomas Jefferson's_Papers,_J. Boyd, ed., vol.1 p.344 (Putnam, 1896)
"Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the_real_object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" --Patrick Henry (1736-1799), June 9, 1788, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution, in_Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution,_ Jonathan Elliot, ed., v.3 p.168 (Philadelphia, 1836)
"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." --George Mason (1725-1792), June 14, 1788, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution, in_Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution,_ Jonathan Elliot, ed., v.3 p.380 (Philadelphia, 1836)
"I ask, Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except for a few public officers." --George Mason (1725-1792), in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution, June 16, 1788, in_Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution,_ Jonathan Elliot, ed., v.3 p.425 (Philadelphia, 1836)
"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." --Samuel Adams (1722-1803), in_Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,_ pp.86-87, (Pierce & Hale, Boston, 1850), also in Philadelphia_Independent Gazetteer,_ August 20, 1789
"I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." --Susan B. Anthony (1820-1906), speech in San Franscisco, July 1871
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Last edited by LarryO1970; 11-03-2008 at 08:34 AM.
I don't know whether that quote is genuine or not. I spent a good chunk of time on the internet trying to track it down, and the best I can say it that it's unverified.
But even if it's real, it's irrelevant. It's talking about Germany keeping the 'subject races' of conquered countries under its control, not about a country disarming its own citizens.
Troy, if I am not mistaken you can find that quote in Mein Kampf. It's been many years since I read that evil book from front to back (most recently in high school to get the factual, verbal ammo needed refute a history teacher I regarded as at best a moral idiot who was trying to explain that dictatorships can be beinign), but I do remember reading that quote in there somewhere.
and troy you do know the mane resin fore the 2a is to defend the people of the us from a government becoming a tyrant. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. and if you look into militia law every mail from the age of 18 til 45 is a member of there states militia
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke. 
